Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam

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  1. BMF

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    Proposal to let athletes transfer instantly after a coaching change picks up steam
    Changes are coming to the NCAA's transfer rules; the only question is what they will be

    https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...antly-after-a-coaching-change-picks-up-steam/

    Athletes would be allowed to transfer schools without restriction if their coach were fired or left for another job as part of sweeping proposal that is making its way through Division I, CBS Sports has learned. However, athletes would not be permitted to follow the departing coach to their new program.

    The proposal, which originated from the Big 12, would also allow athletes to transfer without sitting out a season (as currently mandated by NCAA rules) in the event a postseason ban is handed down by the NCAA as punishment to their program.

    The traditional academic "year in residence" for transfers in all other situations would still be in place and extended to every sport. Presently, that is only a requirement in five NCAA sports.

    The proposal authored by the faculty athletic representatives at Baylor and Iowa State has received early support. Skeptics note it is merely a proposal, not the proposal. Still, the document shared with CBS Sports seems to be the most detailed offering to date as a means of fixing the NCAA's long-criticized transfer policies.

    "Basically, we're saying kids can go anywhere they want," Iowa State athletic director Jamie Pollard said. "For the first time ever in college athletics, the student-athlete is empowered."

    Changing the NCAA's entrenched transfer rules has become one of the most significant undertakings in the association's history.

    Coaches have long been able to "block" where a transfer goes. Athletes also have to seek release from their scholarships to immediately get aid at another school. Frequently, they have to get "permission" from the school/coach to move on to their desired school.

    Those practices would end if the aforementioned proposal is adopted.

    "I haven't heard one person against [doing away with] the notification," Ohio State AD Gene Smith said.

    The NCAA board of directors has basically mandated Division I to change its transfer rules in the next year.

    An ongoing Division I Transfer Working Group is expected to push forward one or two proposals for legislation by June. The question then would be the effective date -- in time for either the 2018 or 2019 football seasons.

    A source close to that situation stressed the preliminary nature of any proposals at the moment. The Big 12 proposal was finalized last month when conference officials met at the NCAA Convention in Indianapolis.

    "Either try to accept [the process or] try to change it," Pollard said. "But quit *****ing about it."

    The Big 12 is in the process of distributing and talking up the proposal with other conferences. You can see the proposal here.

    "I think it's a phenomenal idea," Pollard said. "There's holes in it. There will always be, but it's the best thing I've seen out there so far. It's a lot better than where we are heading."

    Recent real-world examples show how sweeping such a rule change could be.


    For example, players could have transferred from Florida State without restriction when Jimbo Fisher departed for Texas A&M in early December 2017 or when Rich Rodriguez was fired at Arizona on Jan. 2.

    Those transferring players could not immediately follow the coach to their new school.

    Rising seniors were allowed to transfer when the NCAA slapped Ole Miss with a second year of a postseason ban on Dec. 1, 2017. (The school had already self-imposed a one-year ban.) Under the proposal, any and all Ole Miss players could have departed for a new school without sitting out a year.

    Currently, several transferring Ole Miss underclassmen are seeking waivers for immediate eligibility. There have been reports some of those players are basing their appeals on feeling they were misled by the school about the severity of the penalties.

    Pollard admitted adjustments would have to be made in football recruiting limitations (25 scholarships per year) if a school lost transfers in any of the above scenarios.

    Also, the subsequent impact on a departure to a school's Academic Progress Rate would have to be considered. Mass transfers could potentially put a program's postseason eligibility at risk.

    Football and basketball coaches are currently concerned about possible "free agency," allowing athletes across the board to transfer without any restriction for any reason.

    Men's basketball is arguably in crisis with a current transfer rate of 40 percent.

    "It's a broken sport," a current Pac-12 AD told CBS Sports.

    Anything still seems possible. The words "panic" and "wild, Wild West" we're tossed about by other AD types this weekend at the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics (NACDA) mid-winter meeting in Sanibel Island, Florida.

    "I hear it's all over the board right now," Smith said.

    The Big 12 proposal at least contains academic components that legitimize it.

    Part of the proposal's credibility comes from its authors and their obvious research. Jeremy Counseller is a law professor at Baylor. Tim Day is an Iowa State professor of molecular pharmacology and member of the NCAA Council.

    Part of the proposal calls for uniformity. In the traditional transfer setting, athletes are required to sit out a year in only five sports: baseball, hockey, football and men's and women's basketball. Under the proposal, transfers in all sports would be required to sit out a year in the event of a traditional transfer. That means volleyball, softball, wrestling athletes and others used to immediate transfers would now have to sit out.

    "That's not why we're dealing with this issue," Pollard said. "We're dealing with it because of football and basketball. Can you name me one high-profile athlete that's been blocked in another sport? Now we're going to treat everybody equally. Empower the student-athlete but help them make a sound academic decision."

    The possibility could suddenly exist that, in the same college career, a player could redshirt, transfer, sit out a year and transfer immediately. That player would not lose any of their four years of eligibility.

    Yes, it could also create the possibility -- though not likely -- of a six- or seven-year player, the former of which we rarely see today usually due to injury.

    "If you don't do that, people will just make the emotional decision that it's all about athletics," Pollard said. "This makes you actually stop and think about academics but doesn't stop you from making an athletic decision."
     
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    Surprised there's no comments on this. Lots of good info here, and a new 'transfer rule' is coming - one way or another.

    Glad to see they see that the 25-player scholarship limit will have to be considered and that the Academic Progress Rate would have to be adjusted as well.

    Also, of note, they said there's a possibility that this rule could go into effect for the 2018 season (but likely the 2019 season). This could have a big impact on our roster (any of our player that come out of spring not "feeling it" w/ the new staff could bolt and play immediately - because we lost our coach last year).
     
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    I like it for freshman but if you are senior not sure. Will stop that quick trigger of hiring and firing I bet.
    Imagine if that had been in place when Urb came on board and all that talent Zooker brought in had
    flown away.
     
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    What school has been quick to fire a coach recently? Georgia Southern? Other than that, I can't think of any "quick trigger" firing.
     
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    Quick trigger? These guys are paid tens of millions to be mediocre to below average coaches and to take their lrograms to new depths. Most these guys are kept for years after its apparent they are terrible, ie Chimp, Pigbert etc, due to the contracts. We should all be so lucky to become multimillionaires for being among the bottom of our profession.

    Im actually all for the kids being able to transfer essentially at will. The next coach shouldnt be saddled with the last coach's mistakes and the players shouldnt be saddled with the ADs mistakes.

    Everyone associated w sports program coaches to the people in the bowels cutting film get to move freely. The players are the only ones held hostage.
     
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    I hate this move by the NCAA. It would completely obliterate teams and with recruiting caps how would it be overcome?

    People get fired – it happens.

    Now one thing they should work on is preventing coaches from jumping around. Jumping ship. What they can do about that is if a HBC leaves on his own volition with more than a year remaining on his current contract to an equivalent level program (such as P5 to P5) then whatever school that brings them in takes a scholarship hit. Maybe three scholarships a year over four years. Something with some teeth.

    There should obviously be no penalty for anybody moving up. Whether that means to be a bigger program or to the NFL.
     
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    I see pluses and minuses. Remember what free agency did for MLB, NFL and NBA. Now imagine a revolving door policy in college football.
     
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    It says there will be adjustments to the signing cap.

    Id rather have more of Mullinz recruits and less of the FIU shyt Butters left, or more Creyer recruits and less Zook even. Most of those recuits who dont buy in or dont fit either transfer or stand on the sideline wasting a scholly anyway.
     
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    Being held hostage................ask the tens of thousands of students that would love to be held hostage to free housing/tuition/ books/ meals and healthcare. A free college education when it costs so much now. Along with the chance to perform for up to millions of people. And even the chance to move on and make millions. Terrible life. Quick, get these poor bastards a hostage negotiator to save them....................
     
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    Youre held if you cant choose to take another similar or better offer elsewhere.

    If Im a great scholarship chemistry student, am I precluded to transfer to Johns Hopkins as a junior? No? Do I have to sit out a year?

    College football players are the only ones held hostage at any level.
     
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    I like it and don't really think it would cause any mass transfers for a school. Even without the sitting out a year thing it's not that easy to just pick up your life and move away from teammates, friends, etc. Some would leave for sure but plenty more will stay for any number of reasons.
     
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    https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...antly-after-a-coaching-change-picks-up-steam/
    I'm guessing they haven't talked with Saban or Smart.
     
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    Dabo don't like it....must be a good rule!! :D


    Dabo Swinney Doesn't Hold Back and Rips Transfer Proposals

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...d-back-and-rips-transfer-proposals/ar-BBIRTKu

    Everyone knows certain changes have to be made in college football. From possibly paying players to changing specific regulations regarding players, something's got to give.

    Unless you're Dabo Swinney.

    When it comes to the NCAA's recent proposal on allowing students to transfer without sitting out a year, the Clemson head coach thinks it will bring complete chaos to college football.


    Clemson coach Dabo Swinney says current proposals to allow transfers are "free agency and total chaos" https://t.co/u0Uc88lFVq

    β€” Gameday Guru (@Gamedayguruff) February 7, 2018


    On one hand, you want players to have the chance to do what's best for them. On the other hand, Dabo does make some solid points.

    Swinney may be a bit biased considering he just announced two more players will be leaving Clemson, but he is right about how it would change the game. Deciding to bench players or move on to something else now has further ramifications than just affecting your team on a weekly basis.

    It could open the door for other teams to begin recruiting those who reside on the bench.


    Some interesting quotes from Dabo on changing the transfer rules. Guessing there will be critics, but he’s not wrong on most points. pic.twitter.com/qWLJw3m8tH

    β€” Crooked Halery (@DavidHaleESPN) February 7, 2018


    It's a messy situation that has many pros and cons, but we all now know which side Swinney stands on.
     
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    Obviously, you're unaware that chemistry transfers must limit their bunsen burner flames to 1 inch or lower, the # of test-tubes they can requisition is reduced and if they find a cancer cure they must hold off on releasing it for one year.

    A school could recruit a Top-5 team off Alabama's bench.
     
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    But, of course, the only "transfer no-no" will be against following the very coach that was the whole reason you chose to come to be coached by. This slippery-slope will lead to that being made null & void. It's so jumbled.

    Perhaps just grant carte blanche to transfers but limit #s that a University can take = 1,2,3 at the most. Or have the HC choose a scholly-wasting bench-butt to swap-sit out a year in the transfer's place -- make him be the identical position so that would be a 'swappleganger'.
     
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    I have problems with this. Coaches leave all the time without penalties
     
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    I guess when you can major in football and actually get a degree in college football the chemistry comparison will fly.
    AND (slippery slope here) how long will it be before they want to transfer after a position coaching change,
     
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    Nebraska has a degree called "College Studies" (or had, not sure if it's still available). Basically, you take 120 college credits in ANYTHING at any level (1000, 2000, 3000, 4000 level) and you earn a BA degree in College Studies. True story....
     
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    :lmao: I remember when they had almost as many walk on as scholarships players AND THE walkons got "assistance" to go to school. Basically, a way to have more scholarships
     
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    Let's flip this. Fired or replacement coaches should have to wait a year before working a new job. That would be fun.
     

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