Rape culture is a myth

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    My friend, you are the one who commented on this topic rather forcefully. You made it quite clear you had a very strong opinion on it. I was just trying to continue the discussion to get clarity on your views. That's kind of how this works. You can post against the grain all you like but please back it up with some kind of reasoning or don't bother to post at all or get all bent out of shape when questioned. Thanks. o_O
     
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      Because this is political discussion forum. And when you express your opinion, especially if it is "against the grain," some of us would like to know more about the how's and why's of that opinion.
       
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      Rape culture, My take. A culture where young men believe girls are there for them to use as a play thing. Not really a human being but sex toy, It is one thing to talk out loud about our fantasies but to take the step of imposing your will on another human being sexually is criminal. Boys find one girl that will do anything and believe it is the norm. It can be in all kinds of communities and college campuses. Now, I guess the real question is how prevalent is it. Is our whole society a culture of rape? Do we look away when some women claim abuse? Do we prosecute famous people when enough women claim it? Its an odd thing. I have confessed to having wanted some hot teacher to "assault" me when I was 14. But shoe on other foot and I want to cripple some POS male teacher if he hits on young girls. I liked our culture better when males, fathers brothers etc would step up and defend their women and girls. Now, it seems its every man and woman for themselves and of course the men want it and women want a choice. Look how fast we fixated on the chomp gal from the game two weeks ago. Does that contribute to a culture of women as objects of our fantasies? Being a man I have no clue what its like to be scared of someone bigger than me with an attitude of me being a target of whatever they desire. My experience with women, compared to the stories in here, is way down the scale of locker room tall tales. They are actually discussing Melania's thoughts on this as I type. I think we need to listen to women more about this. THey are the targets for the most part. Im just a guy that still "wants" women. Women are MY beer, I like women much more than beer.
       
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      That would be playing with fire having a definition different than most states now where sexual battery only includes penetration of certain areas. You could end up with crazy prosecutors charging people with that for just rubbing against someone accidentally etc. because the person touched felt it was a sexual battery. I think some states like California have their statute written and interpreted to allow a clothed person to be charged with sexual battery just because they rubbed against a clothed females breast area. Also the definition in most places include doing things to someone orally in those areas of the body contrary to what the media likes to spin to people.

      To me standard battery charges should handle situations like that California one mentioned because a person will be ruined over a sexual battery charge and crazy accusations would be too easy with some laws out there and when you combine crazy leftist prosecutor with an interpretation like that you will get some crazy outcomes which a jury can't correct the damage that was done to the falsely accused.
       
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      Since I still don't know if you believe there is a rape culture in this country as put forth by feminists in order to vilify men, let me put your mind at ease. There is no rape culture in America. Doesn't mean that women should not take precations and should always be wary in certain situations. That's just smart. I certainly take precautions when I'm in places or situations that might give a predator an opportunity. As I stated before, there always were and always will be a small population of predators out there. And of course one rape is one rape too many.

      https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blog...istics-dont-back-up-claims-about-rape-culture

      "F*ckrapeculture cofounder Claire Chadwick explained to the campus newspaper, "The name of our organization and the statements that we've made are loud. But it's because we need to be heard." But saying something loudly does not make it true or just.

      Chadwick and the members of f*ckrapeculture aren't the only student sexual violence activists that are demanding attention. Since last spring, an expansive network of student activists has emerged to fight "rape culture" and change the way universities respond to cases of sexual misconduct. However, as universities reexamine their sexual assault policies, administrators should be wary of the demands of these "rape culture" activists. Not only is their movement built on a foundation of dubious statistics and a distorted view of masculinity, but it has already led to policies that have proved devastating to those who have been falsely accused.

      Activists claim that reform is urgent because one in five women will be raped during her time at college. I have yet to see an article lamenting the campus rape culture that does not contain some iteration of this alarming statistic.

      But is it accurate? Statistics surrounding sexual assault are notoriously unreliable and inconsistent, primarily because of vague and expansive definitions of what qualifies as sexual assault. Christina Hoff Sommers of the American Enterprise Institute explains that the study often cited as the origin of the "one in five" factoid is an online survey conducted under a grant from the Justice Department. Surveyors employed such a broad definition that "'forced kissing" and even "attempted forced kissing" qualified as sexual assault.

      The Bureau of Justice Statistics' "Violent Victimization of College Students" report tells a different and more plausible story about campus culture. During the years surveyed, 1995-2002, the DOJ found that there were six rapes or sexual assaults per thousand per year. Across the nation's four million female college students, that comes to about one victim in forty students. Other DOJ statistics show that the overall rape rate is in sharp decline: since 1995, the estimated rate of female rape or sexual assault victimizations has decreased by about 60 percent.

      Of course, there are still far too many college women who are victims of sexual assault. But there's little evidence to support the claim that campus rape is an "epidemic," as Yale student activist Alexandra Brodsky recently wrote in the Guardian.

      Bolstered by inflated statistics and alarmist depictions of campus culture, advocates have been successful in initiating policy changes designed to better protect victims of sexual violence. Duke, Swarthmore, Amherst, Emerson and the University of North Carolina are among the many institutions that have recently reviewed and revised their policies. It is not clear that these policies have made campuses safer places for women, but they have certainly made them treacherous places for falsely accused men.
       
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