Saban dismisses UCF's self-proclaimed national title

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    He Nicky, stfu................""But we have a system, and it's not fair to the people who went through the system and earned their way playing really, really good teams -- I mean really good teams -- and really tough games. It's not quite fair to them for somebody else just to decide to (claim a national championship).".............Maybe he should examine some of the titles his school claimed...............
    I think the whole thing is hilarious and could not care less. I wonder if Frost shows his ring to the cornhuskers now.
     
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      Anybody care to shred Bama’s claimed 28 national titles. I’ve read about it before, 24 of them are worse than what UCF is claiming.

      My numbers might be messed up. But 78% of statistics are 25% off.
       
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        https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...t-national-titles-with-some-sketchy-counting/

        1930: Alabama and Notre Dame both went 10-0. The Crimson Tide got recognized as No. 1 by four ranking systems, all of which came retroactively. Notre Dame was ranked No. 1 by three ranking systems that existed in 1930 -- Dickinson, Dunkel System and Houlgate System -- and the NCAA recognizes the Fighting Irish as the 1930 national poll champion. (Adding to the confusion, this link on NCAA.com does list Alabama as a 1930 national champion with Notre Dame.)

        1934: This was the first season Alabama finished No. 1 in a ranking system that existed at the time. Alabama went 10-0 and was No. 1 by three ranking systems, the same number as Minnesota (8-0). In the years since, Minnesota collected more retroactive No. 1 rankings for 1934 than Alabama. The NCAA recognizes Minnesota as the national poll champion.

        1941: This is by far the silliest title claimed by Alabama, which went 9-2, finished third in the SEC and was ranked 20th in the final AP Top 25. Minnesota (8-0) is widely recognized as the undisputed national champion by being ranked No. 1 in 12 polls. Atcheson counted a title for Alabama because it finished No. 1 in the Houlgate System, a mathematical rating from 1927-58 developed by Deke Houlgate of Los Angeles.

        In 1941, Alabama lost 14-0 at home to eventual SEC champion Mississippi State and 7-0 at Vanderbilt. Atechson defended the 1941 inclusion for years, arguing the Mississippi State loss came in the rain, the Vanderbilt defeat was close, and that Alabama was the country’s best team by the end of the season thanks to wins over Georgia (8-1-1), Tennessee (8-2) and Texas A&M (9-2).

        Also, old rules for polls allowed Alabama to win titles in 1964 and 1973 despite losing bowl games. At the time, some polls decided champions before the postseason. Alabama was crowned Associated Press and United Press International champion in 1964 but then lost to Texas at the Orange Bowl. Arkansas went 11-0 in 1964 with a win at Texas.

        For 1964, the NCAA record book recognizes Alabama (AP and UPI champion), Arkansas (Football Writers Association of America champion) and Notre Dame (National Football Foundation champion). Notre Dame doesn’t count 1964 so it claims 11 consensus national championships, not the 12 listed by the NCAA.

        In 1973, Alabama was UPI’s champion but lost to Notre Dame at the Sugar Bowl, creating split national champions. UPI changed when it crowned its champion in 1974. Given that those were the rules at the time, it’s easier for Alabama to justify the 1964 and 1973 championships.

        There are four seasons Alabama was picked No. 1 by at least one championship selector that the school doesn’t count: 1945, 1966, 1975 and 1977. Another factor when counting Alabama and Notre Dame titles: Notre Dame didn't go to bowl games from 1925 through 1968. That was due in part to academic schedules and bowls playing no bearing on the national title.
         
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          Awesome post, Casey. Would you be offended if I told you, you 'da man?
           
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            Apparently Saban's ignoring that UCF used the "wayoff system".
             
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              No. Should I be? ;)
               
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                What you don't get with interviews like this are the questions that precede the answers. It's fairly obvious Saban was being prodded and it's very known he has a short fuse.
                 
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                  So all coaches in D1 NCAA football knew the rules going into the season, and what it would take to win a National title. Alabama won a National Title with in the construct of those rules, and UCF didn't. There really is nothing to see here.
                   
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                    I doubt Saban really gives a **** about the claimed national championships that Bama has...other than to use it up to recruit more studs. He's got a one track mind and that is to continue to win more NC at Bama now.
                     
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                    Hypocrisy, thy name is Alabama.
                     
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                      I'll never stick up for Napoleon. I think it is hilarious!

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                        Stop trying to minimize the drama with your well-reasoned logic.
                         
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                        At least three of those titles were just card tricks.
                         
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                        Hilarious that the "construct" is such that a team can win all of its games and NOT be the champion, while another team doesn't even win its conference and gets the trophy. I'm not arguing that UCF would beat Bama, I'm saying that the system is stupid.
                         
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                          Zambo I agree with your argument that the system is stupid. But they all sign on for the system when the season started and therefore knew what was to be expected. They are no more National Champions than UF is this year. Because they won a weak schedule that didn't give them a shot at the playoffs.
                           
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                          In Elementary school, my nephew never lost a fight. Does this mean that the WBF should recognize him as a world champion?
                           
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                            I agree. It's like the NFL. People get so emotional about things. Just recognize the Super Bowl Champs and move on, ya know.
                             

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