Shotgun ammo question

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  1. Concrete Helmet

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    Conversely if someone gets that close a shotgun will beat the living sh!t out of them a lot better....which is why a choose to keep the stock instead of getting a folding one.....Also you probably wouldn't want to get poked by my breaching muzzle with my 250# body pushing it into your chest.....but to each their own.
     
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    I 'm not sure anyone "knows" all the answers....the OP ask about "Shotgun ammo" . I've simply offered reasoning for my logic when questioned about my methods....I've not said anyone is wrong,....have I?:dunno:
     
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    The Recoil is basically a result of the momentum of the round (muzzle velocity x bullet weight) offset by weapon weight. Practically speaking a 1-ounce load with the same amount of powder is going to recoil the same regardless of whether it's 1 oz of Buckshot or 1 oz of birdshot. nevertheless there are reduced recoil rounds which are more than sufficient for close range, and yet poor choices for duck hunting.

    20 guages are also reduced recoil, compared to 12g at least. :grin:

    Get a gun safe and lock your stuff up.
     
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      If there’s an intruder in my bedroom, I’m sure he’ll wait for me to open my gun safe.
       
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        You can be in your safe in like 2 seconds. I'm not talking about the ones with the old school locks that you have to turn once to the left, twice to the right, and one more to the left, Ox. It usually takes me longer to find my glasses than to get my pistol in my hand.

        I've been a firearms instructor for much of my adult life, in one capacity or another. No offense, Crete and Ox, but no instructor would ever tell you "just stick 'er in the corner and cover 'er with the drapes".

        The best option imo is something like this close (on the bedside table maybe, if you get a gun cabinet with a key, then perhaps the key is alson in here, quickly available but locked from the kids):
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        With something like this in the closet or wherever with your shotgun, carbine, lever gun whatever:

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          If they're that close your breath would probably be bad enough.
           
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          Not only do I keep a loaded pistol right next to my pillow, I've shown my 3-year old grandson where it is and instructed him not to touch it - or if he does, to not pull the trigger at least.

          So it's fine. He's a good boy and does what he's told.
           
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          Dont be ridiculous. You should at least hide it in the drapes or something.
           
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          On a separate but related drapes note, drapes in hotel rooms are a great place to hide small things you want to leave in your room. Put em in a zip lock back and safety pin them to an inside fold. Works like a charm
           
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          F vck me.....I'm am now 100% certain that in any home defense situation there are no variables, every situation is exactly the same, no matter the habits of the other inhabitants, who btw left the alarm off last night when they came home late, everyone's house is the same size and has the same number of potential entry's, same layout, same furniture placement, and none of the people who are in charge of protection sleep like a log and have cat like reflexes along with cat night vision and should ONLY rely on having a handgun loaded in a safe that far and near sighted people will be able to open quicker than any possible intruder could cover the "21 foot" rule and shoot them squarely between the eyes......Got it......mods feel free to lock, dungeon or delete this thread.
           
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          Youre the tool with a loaded shotgun in your corner like youre living in the days of Billy the Kid.

          Good luck. You need it. Youre a hard headed fvkk in all parts of your life, no doubt. The good news is when you make a mistake, and a kid gets your gun, they will send your hardheaded azz to prison.

          I dont have catlike reflexes or even young eyes anymore but I can still shoot lower mid level at competition. I can also roll over in my bed, put my hand on my safe (it recognizes my print immediately and was just over $100) and have a pistol in my hand in a split second. Moving to the gunsafe for longarms takes only two or three seconds more though in reality I tend to collect myself for a bit whenever I hear a bump in the night. Mine does have a fingerprint reader or a keypad but those arent that expensive now either.

          Ive been a instructor in some capacity since the late 80s. But yeah, throw out some 21 foot rule crap you saw in a youtube video about knife attacks as if it somehow supports your practice. Believe what you want. Anyone on youtube or who was a truck driver in the Natl Guard once is an expert/instructor right?

          You (and Ox) keep talking about waking up w ninjas already in your bedroom. A shotgun in the corner wont help for that scenario. Thats a huge shytsandwich and youre not just taking a nibble. If bedroom ninjas a re a real threat, you need something else, security alarm, dogs, lighting probably. No one wins that scenario without sheer luck.

          Again, good luck. The chances are almost zero that you will ever need a gun to protect yourself at home, though I obviously support and encourage everyone to be prepared. It is also about 100 percent that you will forget it in that corner and about 100 percent that your kid or kids will play with your gun at some point in the future. Hopefully they (and their friends) are smart.
           
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            I would never, under any circumstances, leave a loaded shotgun out over night with kids in the house. My 6 YOs come in every once in a while if thy have a bad dream or something. Too many “what ifs” in that scenario.

            I’m with Donkey - get a small safe for the nightstand and keep a loaded pistol in it. Bad guy comes in to your room and you wake up (unlikely), odds are you’re toast before you get to any weapon. More than likely, you hear him coming before he’s in the bedroom. If you’re not experienced with a weapon (sounds that way), pray and spray with that pistol. At close range, you likely hit him.

            That said, two questions: what type of neighborhood do you live in where you think there’s a high enough probability that you need to keep a loaded shotgun next to the bed in case someone sneaks into your bedroom and if you need the weapon to protect yourself, why aren’t you practicing with it - including jamming drills (that sh!t happens)?
             
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              Well if you're with Donkey then you've obviously convinced yourself that I'm a throw caution to the wind, drunken slob, that carries his shotgun around the house fully loaded and then leaving it laying around like one of my empty beer cans....or rolling it up in the drapes with one in the chamber and safety off....The truth of the matter is I've figured out a fool proof way of never leaving my room with unloading the gun...

              We live in a nearly 7,000 square foot home and my son and wife sleep on the other side of the house, so does MIL, so there is no bad dreams trips in the middle of the night....he is 10 and has been taught that EVERY gun is a loaded gun....he also has a condition which makes him sensitive to loud sounds so trust me when I tell you he wouldn't ever want any part of it. Again, I know it is hard to believe but not every situation is similar.....We have a plan as to what to do in the event of a night time break in(alarm going off) or other loud sounds indicating problems including keeping cells on the charger and within arms reach, they know they are to stay down and not leave their location to prevent accidental shooting or getting hit with a wall penetration shot, until cleared by me or my stepson who is armed with a 9MM Glock.....How many can say they think that far in advance??? But again I'm sure my foot would just get caught in those drapes and I'd probably shoot myself....

              Practice is great but preparation is even better....I know how to operate my shotgun, I would never compare myself to an expert but I've also never lost a fight in my life because I only fight when I can win and when I'm in position to win....I've taken those steps.....

              Now for Donkey's viewing pleasure I found this guys opinion interesting....even though he's a Dr. instead of a truck driver....
               
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              I haven’t drawn any personal opinions about you - I just agree with his gun safety advice. As a military member, I’m comfortable with but respectful of guns.

              I question your plan even more now - you live in a 7k SF home with a home security system but are concerned with sleeping through a break in until they barge into your room? If deep sleeping is your concern, I’d be much less worried about them stumbling into your room and more concerned they’d find your wife and kid across the house before you could find them. Additionally, your plan seems to counteract the absolute worst case, Jason Bourne type of scenario. You realize that your alarm system will scare off 99%+ of people with bad intentions, right? And no offense, you and your tactical shotgun are probably ill equipped to handle the <1% of people you’re planning for. Finally, if your plan is to sweep the house, I’d recommend you have your stepson stand down and stay put - you aren’t trained in CQB and those guys rarely, if ever, start at different points as the odds of shooting each other are very high in a high stress situation.
               
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              I lived in a house with loaded pistols, shotguns, and rifles for 18 years. My brother and sister for 6 & 8 years more respectively.

              I think we need to quit getting in Darwin's way.
               
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                Just a couple of things Crete...
                1) drills
                2) drills
                3) drills
                4) 16 minute video talking about minimizing extra steps, difficulties with safeties, and problems associated with reloading, and not ONCE does the medical doctor mention degradation of fine motor skills associated with adrenaline dump as the single biggest reason you actually want to minimize the very things he does talk about... he’s an educated clown rather than merely a clown.
                5) there is nothing wrong with keeping a weapon in a ready state, to include safety off. If you’re going with your shotgun, just get a single long gun safe with the fingerprint reader like people have said. You can mount it to or under your bed or even on the wall in the corner covered like you do now.
                6) drills
                7) drills
                8) drills
                9) can’t comment on your personal plan or situation, but can assure you that I have thought about it, planned it, and drilled it at least as much as you (e.g, which walls in your house WOULD you shoot through and why).
                10) drills...
                 
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                  I wanted to address this particular quote separately. There is no such thing as a foolproof plan, especially involving firearms and high stress situations. We have a saying in the military: no plan survives the first round fired. You have no idea how your kid or wife would react to the alarm going off, much less rounds being fired. In fact, I’m guessing you have no idea how you or your SIL would react, which is troubling because you’re both carrying weapons in your scenario.

                  If I was in your shoes and had the resources you claim to have, my plan would be as follows: son runs to mother’s room and lock/barricade the rooms with people in them. Call the cops. Be prepared to throw on lights so you can see them before they find you in the room - they have to ID themselves by breaking down the door giving you the advantage of concealment and time. When cops arrive, listen to their instructions if the person is still there as they are trained for the scenario you lay out. In all likelihood, bad guy left and your home security system probably recorded them (I’m assuming you have cameras since you seem so security conscious).

                  Going vigilante in your house is a bad plan unless you’ve got some sort of previous training that you haven’t revealed yet.
                   
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                  A youtube from joeblowprepper. :lmao2::lmao2::lmao2: The Mav88 man, for when you can't afford to spend the extra $50 on a real Mossberg. Nothing says professional like a Maverick 88. He should stick with plumbing, though he is correct, no one should buy that bs about racking the slide will make some one poop themselves and run. It probably won't.

                  I know that youtube jackass as never even met a real gunsmith or armorers and has no clue about what happens inside his little piece of $188 prepper heaven, but I will help you. That gun was designed close to 100 years ago. There is no inertial firing pin, no hammer block, no transfer bar, no nothing in it. It has a crossbolt safety. A couple of 100s of an inch of Mexican metal is all that stops the hammer from dropping. (It's no different with a Rem870 or Mossberg500/590 though.) If it gets hit hard enough or falls, it can go off. It's as simple as that.

                  No it isn't "meant to be stored with one in the chamber" as that azzhat says. In fact, the owners manual says exactly the opposite for a reason. Is having the safety on better than the alternative, sure.

                  Now, it's right that a pump shotgun isn't nearly as reliable reputed... more accurately your left arm isn't as reliable as it should be. That is a training thing though.

                  Is leaving it loaded with one in the chamber smart? only a dumbazz does it. Can you get away with it? probably... unless you can't.
                   
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                  No disrespect but...Are you serious? The thing beeps for I think 1 minute before it's siren goes off....It's been tripped accidently and yes it was going full tilt bozo until it woke me up....We do have an intercom system to communicate in the house to let everyone know it's accidental or to call to other rooms within the house.

                  Like I said I almost laugh when I think of someone thinking me to be anything but overly cautious....Yes most of this might be over the top but there are times when people get really bold like after hurricanes and such....Check out all the home invasions in Texas and Florida after the storm, looters and other scumbags tend to leave their own neighborhoods if you know what I mean....
                   
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                  At some point there has to be a plan...if not it is going to be utter chaos if God forbid one of the doors gets kicked in....You would have 6 people coming from 3 directions to try and get everyone in one room in your solution.....recipe for disaster if you ask me...BTW I don't have cameras until later this week.
                   

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