Shotgun ammo question

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  1. Concrete Helmet

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    You do realize I'm joking.....right?
     
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    While the axiom with 00 shot “every pull of the trigger sends nine, 9mm rounds down range” is technically correct, and even with his 18.5” barrel (which allows the shot to spread faster than a longer barrel), like Law said, he needs to go practice AFTER patterning the spread of his shotgun. At home defense range (which is well under 5 yards 99% of the time) there is practically no spread relatively speaking. Yes, if you hit what you’re shooting at, it will be far more devastating than 1-3 9mm rounds, but you still need to hit. Also, it’s not as easy to corner in your house with a shotgun pulled into your chest (even an 18.5” one) than 99.99% of people think, and good luck with it if not shouldered.

    Drills are your friend.
     
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    I prefer my .40 shield. Have 3 shotguns and a black rifle in safe but shield is right there, Matter of fact it's on my side right now. Shotgun is easier to snatch away from you (If they get that close shame on you) and can limit mobility in close quarters, Without lots of situational practice a pump gun may be useless after the 1st shot as you may forget to rack it again.
    As with any gun practice practice practice
    There are headboards out that have a hidden compartment that you can hide a long gun in, Reach up and it's in your hand.... Check out gunbed.net
     
  4. Concrete Helmet

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    Conversely if someone gets that close a shotgun will beat the living sh!t out of them a lot better....which is why a choose to keep the stock instead of getting a folding one.....Also you probably wouldn't want to get poked by my breaching muzzle with my 250# body pushing it into your chest.....but to each their own.
     
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    Why are you asking the questions when you know all of the answers........
     
  6. Concrete Helmet

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    I 'm not sure anyone "knows" all the answers....the OP ask about "Shotgun ammo" . I've simply offered reasoning for my logic when questioned about my methods....I've not said anyone is wrong,....have I?:dunno:
     
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    The Recoil is basically a result of the momentum of the round (muzzle velocity x bullet weight) offset by weapon weight. Practically speaking a 1-ounce load with the same amount of powder is going to recoil the same regardless of whether it's 1 oz of Buckshot or 1 oz of birdshot. nevertheless there are reduced recoil rounds which are more than sufficient for close range, and yet poor choices for duck hunting.

    20 guages are also reduced recoil, compared to 12g at least. :grin:

    Get a gun safe and lock your stuff up.
     
    #27 Swamp Donkey, Jan 20, 2018
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    If there’s an intruder in my bedroom, I’m sure he’ll wait for me to open my gun safe.
     
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    You can be in your safe in like 2 seconds. I'm not talking about the ones with the old school locks that you have to turn once to the left, twice to the right, and one more to the left, Ox. It usually takes me longer to find my glasses than to get my pistol in my hand.

    I've been a firearms instructor for much of my adult life, in one capacity or another. No offense, Crete and Ox, but no instructor would ever tell you "just stick 'er in the corner and cover 'er with the drapes".

    The best option imo is something like this close (on the bedside table maybe, if you get a gun cabinet with a key, then perhaps the key is alson in here, quickly available but locked from the kids):
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    With something like this in the closet or wherever with your shotgun, carbine, lever gun whatever:

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    If they're that close your breath would probably be bad enough.
     
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    Not only do I keep a loaded pistol right next to my pillow, I've shown my 3-year old grandson where it is and instructed him not to touch it - or if he does, to not pull the trigger at least.

    So it's fine. He's a good boy and does what he's told.
     
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    Dont be ridiculous. You should at least hide it in the drapes or something.
     
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    On a separate but related drapes note, drapes in hotel rooms are a great place to hide small things you want to leave in your room. Put em in a zip lock back and safety pin them to an inside fold. Works like a charm
     
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    F vck me.....I'm am now 100% certain that in any home defense situation there are no variables, every situation is exactly the same, no matter the habits of the other inhabitants, who btw left the alarm off last night when they came home late, everyone's house is the same size and has the same number of potential entry's, same layout, same furniture placement, and none of the people who are in charge of protection sleep like a log and have cat like reflexes along with cat night vision and should ONLY rely on having a handgun loaded in a safe that far and near sighted people will be able to open quicker than any possible intruder could cover the "21 foot" rule and shoot them squarely between the eyes......Got it......mods feel free to lock, dungeon or delete this thread.
     
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    Youre the tool with a loaded shotgun in your corner like youre living in the days of Billy the Kid.

    Good luck. You need it. Youre a hard headed fvkk in all parts of your life, no doubt. The good news is when you make a mistake, and a kid gets your gun, they will send your hardheaded azz to prison.

    I dont have catlike reflexes or even young eyes anymore but I can still shoot lower mid level at competition. I can also roll over in my bed, put my hand on my safe (it recognizes my print immediately and was just over $100) and have a pistol in my hand in a split second. Moving to the gunsafe for longarms takes only two or three seconds more though in reality I tend to collect myself for a bit whenever I hear a bump in the night. Mine does have a fingerprint reader or a keypad but those arent that expensive now either.

    Ive been a instructor in some capacity since the late 80s. But yeah, throw out some 21 foot rule crap you saw in a youtube video about knife attacks as if it somehow supports your practice. Believe what you want. Anyone on youtube or who was a truck driver in the Natl Guard once is an expert/instructor right?

    You (and Ox) keep talking about waking up w ninjas already in your bedroom. A shotgun in the corner wont help for that scenario. Thats a huge shytsandwich and youre not just taking a nibble. If bedroom ninjas a re a real threat, you need something else, security alarm, dogs, lighting probably. No one wins that scenario without sheer luck.

    Again, good luck. The chances are almost zero that you will ever need a gun to protect yourself at home, though I obviously support and encourage everyone to be prepared. It is also about 100 percent that you will forget it in that corner and about 100 percent that your kid or kids will play with your gun at some point in the future. Hopefully they (and their friends) are smart.
     
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    I would never, under any circumstances, leave a loaded shotgun out over night with kids in the house. My 6 YOs come in every once in a while if thy have a bad dream or something. Too many “what ifs” in that scenario.

    I’m with Donkey - get a small safe for the nightstand and keep a loaded pistol in it. Bad guy comes in to your room and you wake up (unlikely), odds are you’re toast before you get to any weapon. More than likely, you hear him coming before he’s in the bedroom. If you’re not experienced with a weapon (sounds that way), pray and spray with that pistol. At close range, you likely hit him.

    That said, two questions: what type of neighborhood do you live in where you think there’s a high enough probability that you need to keep a loaded shotgun next to the bed in case someone sneaks into your bedroom and if you need the weapon to protect yourself, why aren’t you practicing with it - including jamming drills (that sh!t happens)?
     
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    Well if you're with Donkey then you've obviously convinced yourself that I'm a throw caution to the wind, drunken slob, that carries his shotgun around the house fully loaded and then leaving it laying around like one of my empty beer cans....or rolling it up in the drapes with one in the chamber and safety off....The truth of the matter is I've figured out a fool proof way of never leaving my room with unloading the gun...

    We live in a nearly 7,000 square foot home and my son and wife sleep on the other side of the house, so does MIL, so there is no bad dreams trips in the middle of the night....he is 10 and has been taught that EVERY gun is a loaded gun....he also has a condition which makes him sensitive to loud sounds so trust me when I tell you he wouldn't ever want any part of it. Again, I know it is hard to believe but not every situation is similar.....We have a plan as to what to do in the event of a night time break in(alarm going off) or other loud sounds indicating problems including keeping cells on the charger and within arms reach, they know they are to stay down and not leave their location to prevent accidental shooting or getting hit with a wall penetration shot, until cleared by me or my stepson who is armed with a 9MM Glock.....How many can say they think that far in advance??? But again I'm sure my foot would just get caught in those drapes and I'd probably shoot myself....

    Practice is great but preparation is even better....I know how to operate my shotgun, I would never compare myself to an expert but I've also never lost a fight in my life because I only fight when I can win and when I'm in position to win....I've taken those steps.....

    Now for Donkey's viewing pleasure I found this guys opinion interesting....even though he's a Dr. instead of a truck driver....
     
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    I haven’t drawn any personal opinions about you - I just agree with his gun safety advice. As a military member, I’m comfortable with but respectful of guns.

    I question your plan even more now - you live in a 7k SF home with a home security system but are concerned with sleeping through a break in until they barge into your room? If deep sleeping is your concern, I’d be much less worried about them stumbling into your room and more concerned they’d find your wife and kid across the house before you could find them. Additionally, your plan seems to counteract the absolute worst case, Jason Bourne type of scenario. You realize that your alarm system will scare off 99%+ of people with bad intentions, right? And no offense, you and your tactical shotgun are probably ill equipped to handle the <1% of people you’re planning for. Finally, if your plan is to sweep the house, I’d recommend you have your stepson stand down and stay put - you aren’t trained in CQB and those guys rarely, if ever, start at different points as the odds of shooting each other are very high in a high stress situation.
     
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    I lived in a house with loaded pistols, shotguns, and rifles for 18 years. My brother and sister for 6 & 8 years more respectively.

    I think we need to quit getting in Darwin's way.
     
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    Just a couple of things Crete...
    1) drills
    2) drills
    3) drills
    4) 16 minute video talking about minimizing extra steps, difficulties with safeties, and problems associated with reloading, and not ONCE does the medical doctor mention degradation of fine motor skills associated with adrenaline dump as the single biggest reason you actually want to minimize the very things he does talk about... he’s an educated clown rather than merely a clown.
    5) there is nothing wrong with keeping a weapon in a ready state, to include safety off. If you’re going with your shotgun, just get a single long gun safe with the fingerprint reader like people have said. You can mount it to or under your bed or even on the wall in the corner covered like you do now.
    6) drills
    7) drills
    8) drills
    9) can’t comment on your personal plan or situation, but can assure you that I have thought about it, planned it, and drilled it at least as much as you (e.g, which walls in your house WOULD you shoot through and why).
    10) drills...
     

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