Say it ain't so! Dwags sign six 5-star players

[ATXGator]

Why do you think those top FL kids are going out of state? It's because most of them have handlers (especially the elite South FL kids) those handlers then send them to the highest bidder. Btw... That's well known by everyone in FL who coaches plus the trainers. It is what it is...and it's not going to stop!

I am not doubting you, but I know nothing about the handlers and bag men... I don't doubt it happens...

Does UF do it and just suck at it? Otherwise... how do we get any top players at all?

 

[Since65]

Why do you think those top FL kids are going out of state? It's because most of them have handlers (especially the elite South FL kids) those handlers then send them to the highest bidder. Btw... That's well known by everyone in FL who coaches plus the trainers. It is what it is...and it's not going to stop!

Do you think this practice would cease if they ever move forward with the idea of paying college players? Or would the "salary" from the school just be like a subsidy added to what the bag men have been paying (and potentially would continue to pay)?

 

[BMF]

I am not doubting you, but I know nothing about the handlers and bag men... I don't doubt it happens...

Does UF do it and just suck at it? Otherwise... how do we get any top players at all?

I agree w/ this. I find it comical that any time another school is doing well the cries of "they're cheating" or "bagman" come out. To think all these other schools are doing it and UF isn't is silly. If Alabama is doing it, so are we. If UGA is doing it, so are we. We hired TWO former Saban & Alabama assistants....not only that we filled our staff and support staff w/ former Alabama guys. So they're just going to come to UF and stop doing the things that made them successful in recruiting? Yeah, right. Like you said, I don't doubt it happens. But to imply UF is clean and straight laced is laughable. Anyone around here in the 1980's? Any here when Muschamp hired Vernon Hargraves sister to a support staff job around the same time he committed to UF? Anyone around here when our WR coach (Joker Phillips) got fired for CHEATING? Yeah, UF doesn't cheat....and everyone else does. THAT'S why our recruit classes are so bad..... If you disagree, go look up the word "gullible" or "naïve"

 

[oxrageous]

So Meyer landed the greatest recruiting class in modern history on his way out the door. How “broken” could it have been?

The Chimp managed to run off half of it and destroy the rest.

 

[T REX]

So Meyer landed the greatest recruiting class in modern history on his way out the door. How “broken” could it have been?

The Chimp managed to run off half of it and destroy the rest.

We probably make the playoff in 2012. That's how much talent we had.

 

[Mr. SEC]

Since this is Georgia related, thought I would weigh in here. Regarding Muschamp, his mistakes were:
1) Meyer recruited offensive players to run a spread offense. Muschamp was determined to run a pro offense, even with the wrong type of players.
2) Muschamp never hired a decent OC. His focus was always on the other side of the ball, that is the way he recruited and coached. That will only take you so far. McElwain inherited a stacked roster of defensive players. That was good a bad.
3) Regarding closing the closing the recruiting gap - with better bag men. Great idea - go for it. That will work well.

 

[BMF]

We probably make the playoff in 2012. That's how much talent we had.

Absolutely. Muschamp recruited fairly well also, that 2012 team had plenty of talent. The offensive play calling was atrocious. By the end of that season the offense was toxic and even the Defensive players were publicly griping about it....then the house of cards came crashing down in 2013.

 

[GBHOR]

I think that’s two different things. What you’re talking about is gamesmanship. Breaking the law is something else.

You mean the rules right? I'm not aware of any statutes covering recruiting, though I could be wrong.

 

[alcoholica]

So Meyer landed the greatest recruiting class in modern history on his way out the door. How “broken” could it have been?

The Chimp managed to run off half of it and destroy the rest.

I’d have to go back and look, but many never made it on campus.

Not directed at Ox, just a general statement. I’m not sure the six 5* are as impressive as first sounds. Fields will be only one year behind Fromm, so no real separation. Two are RB’s, but i’ve yet to hear that Cook is even relatively close to his brother and that he’s riding coattails, although White is supposed to be legit. You have a DE at 225 that i’ve never heard of. Is he really going to play with his hand down. And two OL, and Mays has already been called overrated.

Not saying it’s not impressive, it is. But it has to convert to on field performance and i’m not sure that 3 or 4 of those guys don’t under perform significantly.

 

[oxrageous]

Interested "what if" scenario: What if Mullen had been hired instead of Chimp after landing that class?

 

[T REX]

Interested "what if" scenario: What if Mullen had been hired instead of Chimp after landing that class?

Interesting question. That staff had so much turnover in the previous 2 seasons. Not sure who Mullen keeps and who he brings with him from MSU. This will sound crazy but I'd probably be higher on Mullen back then than now. Why? He's had nine years...IMHO, we know what we have. Back then he would've been a huge unknown without the 9 year SEC losing record and the 2-17 record against ranked teams while ranked(take out Bama and it's still awful).

 

[rogdochar]

There is no "field of rules" that get violated by even 20% of those entities so bound. To exceed that % would establish chaos. Chaos is an obvious destruct that leads to domino-effect collapse, real quickly. A few schools may violate. Who thinks that what? 100% violate tax laws ... 50%? ... 25%? Logic won't take you to such conclusions - a psychological need to believe that will take you there though.

I'd rather have minds dissecting the "real" ways our opponent schools are outfoxing us, as they most likely are outsmarting us in some "craftier" but "legal" ways. No way does the NCAA like some Tuscaloosa metropolis dominating the CFB landscape.

 

[jdh5484]

Absolutely. Muschamp recruited fairly well also, that 2012 team had plenty of talent. The offensive play calling was atrocious. By the end of that season the offense was toxic and even the Defensive players were publicly griping about it....then the house of cards came crashing down in 2013.

Never has a coach done so little with so much talent. Made Zook look like the CEO of Mensa.

 

[jdh5484]

There is no "field of rules" that get violated by even 20% of those entities so bound. To exceed that % would establish chaos. Chaos is an obvious destruct that leads to domino-effect collapse, real quickly. A few schools may violate. Who thinks that what? 100% violate tax laws ... 50%? ... 25%? Logic won't take you to such conclusions - a psychological need to believe that will take you there though.

I'd rather have minds dissecting the "real" ways our opponent schools are outfoxing us, as they most likely are outsmarting us in some "craftier" but "legal" ways. No way does the NCAA like some Tuscaloosa metropolis dominating the CFB landscape.

NCAA is afraid of Bamma under Saban just like they were afraid of Bamma under Bryant. I bet 70% of the rules were generated because of Bamma "misinterpretations".

 

[Durfish]

Never has a coach done so little with so much talent. Made Zook look like the CEO of Mensa.

And there, ladies and gents, is my new signature line.

 

[rogdochar]

[QUOTE="jdh5484, post: 659725, member: 182"Made Zook look like the CEO of Mensa.[/QUOTE]

No way Zook looks like me.

 

[BNAG8R]

In every element of life, if you get on top and go to sleep, somebody is going to pass you.

In my experience, if you get on top and go to sleep...she gets really pissed off.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

In my experience, if you get on top and go to sleep...she gets really pissed off.

You have experience in that?

 

[BNAG8R]

You have experience in that?

 

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