The Last Jedi

[ThreatMatrix]

btw, the final scene(s) leaves enough wiggle room to bring Skywalker back. Whether they will or not is another story, I suspect they will.

I'm glad you mentioned that. My biggest disappointment with TLJ was how far off the plantation Rian Johnson took the series. JJ Abrahams obvioulsy had a vision when he made Force Awakens. Snoke was the new big bad in the mold of Sith Dark Lord Sidious (i.e. Palpatine). But RJ killed him without any of the build up that was given the character in FA. And it goes without saying that it wasn't Abrahams plan that Luke reacts to being handed his Light Saber by throwing it over his shoulder.
Fortunately it appears that Abrahams has been reenlisted to direct Ep 9. He can save the Saga by ignoring much of Ep 8 as if it never happened. Bring back Snoke and play out his story line as the puppet master behind Kylo Ren. And for god's sake give him an origin story. Bring back Luke to properly train Rey. Not so much to be a bad ass ninja but to understand how to control the Light AND the Dark. Luke learned something while in exile and it wasn't how to be a whiny milk toast. The story will focus on Rey turning Kylo Ren to defeat Snoke. She does it by being the BALANCE in the Force. Not as a Jedi - she is something else. And her parents will be revealed to be somebody awesome.
Bringing back Luke is simple since his ending was open ended. Snoke is more problematic but I'm sure a plot device could be thought of. Hell I'd just gloss it over since I'm ignoring Ep 8. Carrie Fisher would have died off-screen (unfortunately). The god-awfull Rose character wouldn't even be mentioned. Finn would die in a selfless act to save others - which is in his character - and should have happened in Ep 8. We'd get the fan service we deserve of Rey, Poe and Chewy piloting the Millennial Falcon. Give us the characters we want and the ending the story demands.

 

[Slevin]

Luke SKywalker isnt just a movie character. He’s a legend and a god that in my opinion should live forever in the imagination of generations. Killing him was ****ing retarded.

The casino scene was retarded.

Killing Snoke was retarded.
Leia flying back to the ship half dead was retarded.

But i still liked the movie. Luke dying still makes no sense. He just vanished. Wut.

Its like Johnson was a trecki and really wanted to screw with star wars fans by destroying some good story lines for the 9th film.

 

[Slevin]

Oh please. Give me a break. (Not you, Hamill.) Mark Hamill would be pumping gas if he hadn’t lucked into playing Luke. He certainly never had anything to do with writing or developing the character. Luke became an icon despite him, not because of him. He hasn’t done anything worthwhile since until this trilogy drug him out of obscurity. (Even Will Wheaton and George Takei had more going on than him.)

Hollywood is NOW “all about the money”? Like they weren’t always? Good of him to utter that from his 40-year pile of royalties. Next thing you know he’ll start squawking about all the sex in Hollywood. Or how commercial ComiCon has become. And drugs! Did you know there are a lot of drugs in Hollywood?

And all the Star Wars geeks turned on George Lucas after Episode I. Now they want to rush back to him to validate heir latest whines?

I didn’t quite buy the internal meltdown of Luke being caused by that critical moment when he “almost” killed Ben Solo. More about Snoke’s seduction of him would have been good - except we’ve seen that with Luke and Vader.

But I like that Rey isn’t some Jedi royalty. She’s the Force’s rebalancing. Or maybe there’s a reveal coming. I like that the tale isn’t heading to another Death Star and that a ragtag group of survivors is the last hope. I like that she has the Jedi books with her. And I liked that Luke released himself to the Force like Yoda and Obi Wan did. His closing scenes were epic.

Nothing can match IV & V for me, but I’ve enjoyed these 2 and Rogue One.

Mark Hammill is the greatest Joker of all time, which is what he’s been doing for more than a decade.

 

[Theologator]

Mark Hammill is the greatest Joker of all time, which is what he’s been doing for more than a decade.

Ok. I respect your assessment of his cartoon voicing. Hard to imagine he tops Heath Ledger but that’s your take and I haven’t watched the cartoons. But that isn’t exactly momentous work. If it was Ned Jones who voiced the best cartoon Joker of all time no one would know who Ned Jones was.

If Tebow was the #1 shuffleboard player in the world we’d all know it. But none of us know who the best shuffleboard player is. (I mean ground/cement style. Billy Mays was THE table guy.)

 

[Detroitgator]

I'm glad you mentioned that. My biggest disappointment with TLJ was how far off the plantation Rian Johnson took the series. JJ Abrahams obvioulsy had a vision when he made Force Awakens. Snoke was the new big bad in the mold of Sith Dark Lord Sidious (i.e. Palpatine). But RJ killed him without any of the build up that was given the character in FA. And it goes without saying that it wasn't Abrahams plan that Luke reacts to being handed his Light Saber by throwing it over his shoulder.
Fortunately it appears that Abrahams has been reenlisted to direct Ep 9. He can save the Saga by ignoring much of Ep 8 as if it never happened. Bring back Snoke and play out his story line as the puppet master behind Kylo Ren. And for god's sake give him an origin story. Bring back Luke to properly train Rey. Not so much to be a bad ass ninja but to understand how to control the Light AND the Dark. Luke learned something while in exile and it wasn't how to be a whiny milk toast. The story will focus on Rey turning Kylo Ren to defeat Snoke. She does it by being the BALANCE in the Force. Not as a Jedi - she is something else. And her parents will be revealed to be somebody awesome.
Bringing back Luke is simple since his ending was open ended. Snoke is more problematic but I'm sure a plot device could be thought of. Hell I'd just gloss it over since I'm ignoring Ep 8. Carrie Fisher would have died off-screen (unfortunately). The god-awfull Rose character wouldn't even be mentioned. Finn would die in a selfless act to save others - which is in his character - and should have happened in Ep 8. We'd get the fan service we deserve of Rey, Poe and Chewy piloting the Millennial Falcon. Give us the characters we want and the ending the story demands.

So, kill off the minorities and that’ll fix everything? ;)

 

[URGatorBait]

So, kill off the minorities and that’ll fix everything? ;)

 

[Captain Sasquatch]

Correct. Rogue One doesn't count. The Star Wars Saga is the three trilogies. Nine films in total.

Really. I'm kind of surprised that every one doesn't know this.

Even though it takes place in the Star Wars universe, ties directly into the Star Wars trilogies, and is called "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story." Got it.

 

[gingerlover]

Mark Hammill is the greatest Joker of all time, which is what he’s been doing for more than a decade.

Agreed but don’t overlook his turn as Cocknocker in jay and silent bob strike back

 

[gingerlover]

Luke SKywalker isnt just a movie character. He’s a legend and a god that in my opinion should live forever in the imagination of generations. Killing him was ****ing retarded.

The casino scene was retarded.

Killing Snoke was retarded.
Leia flying back to the ship half dead was retarded.

But i still liked the movie. Luke dying still makes no sense. He just vanished. Wut.

Its like Johnson was a trecki and really wanted to screw with star wars fans by destroying some good story lines for the 9th film.

He vanished like Yoda did. Probably trying to pay homage but it fell flat

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Even though it takes place in the Star Wars universe, ties directly into the Star Wars trilogies, and is called "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story." Got it.

I'm with Cumquat on this. Rogue One is absolutely a Star Wars movie and easily the best since the second (now #5). If I were to rank them, I'd probably rank them

4
5
R1
6
1
3
2
7 & 8

 

[Slevin]

I'm with Cumquat on this. Rogue One is absolutely a Star Wars movie and easily the best since the second (now #5). If I were to rank them, I'd probably rank them

4
5
R1
6
1
3
2
7 & 8

7 and 8 are way better than 1 and 2. 3 is actually pretty good if you go back and watch it. Also has a fairly high RT score.

Rogue One is amazing. Fantasic movie and spoiler:




Literally everyone dies at the end. How many movies can you say does that?

 

[gingerlover]

Rogue one was fantastic and the fact everyone did sacrifice themselves for the greater good made it even better. The fact that end minutes before episode 4 says it’s part of everything to me. The upcoming Solo movie probably not. The scene with Vader at the end may be the best of any of them.

1 was horrible
2 slightly better
3 is actually descent and the fight between obi won and Anika is one of the best if not the best duels in the series

 

[AugustaGator]

7 and 8 are way better than 1 and 2. 3 is actually pretty good if you go back and watch it. Also has a fairly high RT score.

Rogue One is amazing. Fantasic movie and spoiler:




Literally everyone dies at the end. How many movies can you say does that?

The Swarm

 

[ThreatMatrix]

Even though it takes place in the Star Wars universe, ties directly into the Star Wars trilogies, and is called "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story." Got it.

As per usual you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Rogue One is amazing. Fantasic movie

I agree with that part, though, Slev.

 

[T REX]

Even though it takes place in the Star Wars universe, ties directly into the Star Wars trilogies, and is called "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story." Got it.

I do know that Rogue One did not get the intro like the other movies. I don't know what category you'd put it in.

 

[Gatormac2112]

I like the movie just fine, I could have done without the Super-Leia scene which was possibly the lamest thing I have ever watched, and I hated the prequel feel to the casino world scenes with all the CGI characters to make the children happy. I was waiting for Jar Jar Binks to come onto screen to help them escape at any moment.

They missed a golden opportunity to send Leia off in epic fashion late in the movie. They should have had her save the escaping rebels by sacrificing herself the way Admiral Holdo did. That was an epic death scene that was wasted on Laura Dern. They could have reshot some scenes in the bunker with Dern in Fishers place and made some editing magic happen to have Leia pilot the cruiser into snokes ship.

All in all it was an enjoyable movie, I don't take SW anymore seriously so am not worried about canon, legacy, all that nerdy stuff.

 

[ThreatMatrix]

I do know that Rogue One did not get the intro like the other movies. I don't know what category you'd put it in.

Spin-off, Extended Universe.
Notice that Rogue One, The Clone Wars (animated) and the Han Solo movie (if made) don't have Episode #s. In 1980 or so George Lucas unveiled his vision for Star Wars as three trilogies, nine films in total. He didn't know if they'd be made, but those of us who saw the originals in theaters as they were released have been waiting 25-30 years for the final trilogy.
There are supposedly other spin-offs planned in addition to the Solo movie. But they are not part of the nine episode saga. The confusion may be that some people thing of Star Wars in terms of other franchises however it is different- It's meant to be a single continuous story that follows the origin, adventures and swan song of Luke Skywalker. What's infuriating is that Rian Johnson didn't understand this vision and made an offshoot movie that shyt all over canon while inserting his political message. Star Wars is supposed to be pure escapism entertainment with very clear good and bad characters. It's success was a product of that very simple formula. Don't confuse it with plot elements that are thinly veiled hints at your political agenda at the expense of telling a good story.

 

[-THE DUDE-]

So do you really think Disney is going to stop the main Star Wars stories at episode 9?

 

[T REX]

So do you really think Disney is going to stop the main Star Wars stories at episode 9?

Hell no. I thought I read that they already have a rough draft/idea for 10-12