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Discussion in 'Politics' started by NVGator, Mar 4, 2018.
ISIS Propaganda video. No telling how long before it's taken down.
There is a version with a bunch of isis propaganda bs on it. That isn't it. They trimmed it and removed the sound (which was isis). https://sofrep.com/100433/breaking-footage-of-isis-ambushing-u-s-special-forces-in-niger/ This is a pretty good summary: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/17/world/africa/niger-ambush-american-soldiers.html And more. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...niger-desperately-called-for-help-sources-say Many questionable decisions, many questionable tactics. Sending in one green team with even greener indig troops, with no support. Stopping at the village so close to the isis camp, staying for 2 hours. Astonishingly (look at the video) the French Air Force said the weather was too bad to fly and the terrain was too rough (wtf?). Deciding to dismount and walk beside the vehicle at a snail's pace. Many questionable decisions and tactics.
I am not trained in any military tasks, tactics or strategy but what you say makes much sense. I was wondering why they stopped. I’d gunned it to put me in a better position.
I dont know. Maybe there is some excuse. Looking for the mechanic or something. I think they were in the back of an the ambush. Usually youd just drive though the killzone and fire out (or through if necessary) the windows, then either flank or call for air support. The landcruiser seems to still be functional. Who knows. There is red smoke, usually youd use green, gray, or black for cover. Maybe it is signal smoke and they are expecting air cover to engage didnt want to get far from it. But maybe the only had red smoke left. It was just a training exercise and they probably just packed for that. Hard to think of a rationalization that makes sense.
NV, you should slap on "Graphic Video" or something in the thread title. Shiit gets VERY real in the last 30 seconds.
They knew they were ****ed from jump... they didn't want to compromise anyone else in the area, so they sent a "broken arrow," zeroed out their secure comms and broke contact with the outside world, and then did what they could until they couldn't. This video has had me upset for two days now. There is absolutely nothing to learn or glean from the video (but there was from the overall operation and its outcome), it's just war porn. Worse, it's of ours. The flashback "this is bad" moment for me is when you see the windshield wipers going... it means even the most highly trained can't always overcome the moment and loss of fine motor skills. Windshield wipers going is always a bad sign.
That video makes me nauseous. Some new info..... WASHINGTON (AP) — A military investigation into the Niger attack that killed four American service members concludes the team didn't get required senior command approval for their risky mission to capture a high-level Islamic State militant, several U.S. officials familiar with the report said. It doesn't point to that failure as a cause of the deadly ambush. Initial information suggested the Army Special Forces team set out on its October mission to meet local Nigerien leaders, only to be redirected to assist a second unit hunting for Doundou Chefou, a militant suspected of involvement in the kidnapping of an American aid worker. Officials say it now appears the team went after Chefou from the onset, without outlining that intent to higher-level commanders. https://www.yahoo.com/news/probe-fi...cked-proper-approval-053757245--politics.html
Report on attack to be released today. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/09/pentagon-niger-american-soldiers/596849002/
We have lots of boots on the ground in Africa right now. Any of you former .mil folks speak French? They are looking for help.
Can anyone explain how having forces stationed in Niger contributes either to our security or world peace?
If it means killing the blood-thirsty Muslims over there, before they come over here, then yes it can be explained. Understood or agreed upon, no. But explained yes.
It works a little better than #bringbackourgirls. It is probably a false flag operation too.
You should see the new ROE for these guys... its what happens when you put an Air Force “Special pilot” 2 Star in charge
Do you mean current ROE or what the ROE was for the guys that were ambushed?
Now, as a result
https://www.defense.gov/News/Press-...ng-on-us-africa-command-investigation-of-oct/ LIVE link - https://www.defense.gov/live/#/?currentVideo=15343
The video I watched of this had no audio but they seemed to assume it was a deep kill zone. Gunning it gets you deeper into what appeared to be a large kill zone. The vehicles were unarmored and would essentially be bullet magnets with a concentrated gooey filling. I'm not an operator, maybe someone on here is or was; but I don't think there was a right way out of this. The volume of fire they were taking appeared to be insane. Badly outnumbered and without on station CAS this turned into a math of numbers, angles and terminal ballistics. As an aside I don't like the good guys working with locals on these type of operations. I know this is essentially the entire mission of the Green Berets and worked wonders in Vietnam; but (and I realize there is no evidence of this currently) they could have had this operation compromised by one of the indigenous forces. It would not be the first time that a Muslim saw his first duty to Islam over the uniform he was wearing. As for what to do; maybe we go back in force and induct some those militants into the church of the almighty BRRRRT. It will make them believe.
Related point - I've watched the live DOD press conference feed. Not quite sure how to do this, but there should be a rule that only media members with military service experience should be allowed to ask questions. Some of these reporters are embarrassing.....
Since the OP video has been removed, here is the video. (WARNING GRAPHIC)
Briefing just concluded. "Military officials found that the U.S. forces didn’t have time to train together before they deployed and did not do pre-mission battle drills with their Nigerien partners. And the report found there was a lack of attention to detail and lax communication about missions that led to a “general lack of situational awareness and command oversight at every echelon.” According to the report, the Army Special Forces team left Camp Ouallam on Oct. 3 to go after Doundou Chefou, an IS leader who was suspected of involvement in the kidnapping of an American aid worker. But the team leader and his immediate supervisor submitted a different mission to their higher command, saying they were simply going out to meet tribal leaders. That less-risky mission was approved, but when the Ouallam team got to the location the insurgent wasn’t there."
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