UF coaching reset: Will Muschamp, 2010

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    I don't necessarily agree that he was "the right hire". But he certainly was groomed to be a head coach and he would have been somewhere, even if UF had not hired him. But there's really no reason he couldn't have done what Kirby is doing at UGA. Instead, he came in and made the wrong OC hire (and repeated it)....and he meddled too much on that side of the ball. He was doomed from the start. Then he made excuses, blamed Meyer, acted like an *******, etc. I just think Foley panicked and then thought he was going to pull a Billy Donovan type hire w/ Muschamp and it failed. After Zook he should have known better.....
     
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    I agree with everything you said. My perspective on this was the hire without knowing what was to come (as it happened back then). I still think Mullen needed some "cureing" so to speak. Not entirely confident he could have done better than Champ without the opportunity to grow without the eyes of a fanbase and administration who are always looking for immediate results. And we are.
     
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      That was his best OC hire actually (as repulsive and incompetent as Cheeseburger is) and his best offense statistically to date. His fvkktarded insistence on Ray Goof Ugaball, his disdain for the forward pass, his belief that TOP wins games, and his belief that all the best athletes should play defense was always going to produce 100th ranked offenses after 100th ranked offense.
       
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        Monday mourning coach-a-backing ?
         
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          He or Chris Peterson were my top two hopeful coaches when the search went on in 2010 and then again in 2014. I think either of those guys would have been successful here.
           
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            Patterson and Chris Peterson like Sas said, or maybe Whittingham. Those 3 come to mind without having gone back and researched the full slate of candidates back then.
             
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            Mullen, save us 7 years ;)
             
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            What I find interesting is no one being able to come forward seven years later, in hindsight, and declare an obvious better (and gettable) choice. Petersen doesn't count as gettable. He was never coming here.
             
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              He was the hot name in the coordinator ranks, so most thought he was the right hire at the time. I think I’ve learned my lesson on hiring coordinators as head coaches...let someone else train them first.
               
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                That's so stupid.

                How has Oklohoma done with hiring coordinators?

                Most fail. I can list dozens of failed UF coaches who were former head coaches.

                The lesson should be not to hire TERRIBLE coordinators. Or people that Saban demoted from DC to position coach then encouraged to leave. Saban doesn't let the good ones get hired away.
                 
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                  They've all been hired away.
                   
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                    I disagree. He flirted with us back then. We were a completely different job back then.
                     
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                    He was the defensive coordinator of the worst Texas team this century. Man i was pissed when we hired muschamp. Him being a coordinator has nothing to do with it.
                     
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                      Well assuming I was AD in 2010, I was also AD in 2009. In that scenario, I would’ve a) had a real list of current candidates rather than just saying so to make myself seem smart...and b) would’ve seen that Meyer had zero long term objective at UF, and would’ve immediately reached out to Strong before he officially became entrenched at Louisville—meaning Meyer never unsteps down.

                      Now, I’m not certain, or really even suggesting, that Strong would be the right guy. But hired/promoted then would’ve immediately stopped or prevented any bleeding from a recruiting standpoint. In addition, he would’ve inherited a solid roster, so we could at least have had a clear answer about his abilities with no excuses. If he works out, great. If not, I immediately start looking at next options, which would by then include Franklin, Mullen, Patterson or whoever.

                      In short, I would never have allowed the staining of the UF brand from events like the 2010 train wreck, the hiring of Muschamp, or the settling for McElwain.
                       
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                        Certainly sometime in the last 15 years UF should have hired Spurrier, but alas the staff at the UF UAA like the FBI and Justice Department in the recent election thought it was all about them. So that was not going to happen.

                        So if UF was going to end up with Mullen anyway, UF should have hired him in 2010 or 2013 or 2014. Then by now we would know about Mullen at UF. But instead, the UAA lead by Foley went with several delaying tactics and UF is 7 years later just beginning the Mullen experiement.
                         
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                          I always said Mullen would be a good fit of for no other reason than a very smooth transition from Meyer. There were others I'd rather have had but Mullen was best in my mind of who we actually could get and that would fit in nicely. Sure Mullen would not have been popular but in my view he would have been way above muscrap who wouldn't have even made my list
                           
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                          I've never mentioned this before on the board, but I have a good friend who worked in the football office for years under Spurrier. She was very close with him and the family and spent plenty of time with them outside the office over the years. I can't divulge what she told me about the whole foley fiasco because for years she would never say anything when questioned but about 3 years ago she opened up to me about it under the strict pretense that I never reveal a word of what she said.

                          So... I can't provide anything of substance, and for that reason feel free to disregard if you so desire, but what I can say is that the information she revealed about foley and his actions regarding Spurrier and the HC job were pretty shocking. There's a big part of behind the scenes foley that noone here knows about and that would shock even the most died in the wool foley bashers. Bottom line, foley was one supremely arrogant, narcissistic POS to the point of mortally damaging the football program just to spite SOS. To this day, my friend is so disgusted with foley, she won't even say his name.
                           
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                            Consistent w what my friend on the inside. To be fair, he said SOS was pretty arrogant too, though nothing compared to CUM and Butters. My friend isnt the type who just hated every boss btw.
                             
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                              He kept smart for years and paid him record breaking salaries.

                              He demoted Chimp, invited Nusschump to leave, let Butters go to the WAC and didnt offer the OC (or position coach) coach it was open this year. Didnt fight to keep Pruitt this year.

                              Yeah, I think we can use his assessments pretty reliably.
                               
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                                My friend always had good things to say about Steve. He would go out of his way to do kind things for the staff, knew everyone's name or nickname (that he gave them) and would joke and tease people in a good-natured way all the time. But just like any other top notch coach, there is an arrogance that is pernicious... just part of the character type.
                                 

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