Van Jones Resident Idiot

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  1. GatorJ

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      Conservatives have their's too...
       
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        Prisoners complaining about stuff. Huh, go figure.
         
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          J, van jones isn't a democrat. Hes a straight up communist. He's a card carrying member of an American communist party. And he's a racebaiting ass who uses race and other physical distinctions to create class divides within society for the purposes of pitting one group against another who otherwise would have no beef with one another.

          It's the primary goal of communists - to create societal divisions in order to destroy democracy in favor of an all powerful authoritarian state where the govt controls and decides everything for everyone. The only reason he says hes a democrat is because stating on national TV that he's a communist would be a career killer, even though there are a lot people that love his positions, despite them intrinsically thinking communism is bad.
           
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            Yes of course prisoner comfort is of the highest priority. I seem to remember a time in the past when many in south Florida did not have air conditioning in their homes. Somehow they survived.
             
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              so damn true.
               
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              After reading the article, I didn't see much wrong with it.

              Matthew 25: 34-40: “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’"

              “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

              “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’"
               
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                You think that no AC is cruel and unusual punishment.

                I just did 10 days of camping with my boys for summer camp for Boy Scouts. No AC. Brutal. I don't classify that as cruel and unusual punishment.
                 
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                  Hmmmmm.....let's see. Spend resources to help law abiding, tax paying citizens who also have suffered flooding, backed up sewers, loss of access to medicine and worse or murderers, rapists, child molesters, thieves and drug pushers who have NEVER been know to lie or exaggerate.
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                      That about sums it up.
                       
                    • Durty South Swamp

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                      Point me to the part where Christ mentions a federal government being the entity in charge of enforcement for these acts of service.

                      Ok, rhetorical, so don't actually. This, like most everything else Christ discusses, is about individuals being charitable and compassionate INDIVIDUALLY. It in no way is an acknowledgement of or advocacy for an authoritarian entity compelling individuals to act. That, in and of itself, is the very antithesis of what Christ was discussing. Compulsory actions by citizens due to government force are neither charitable, Christ-like, or in any way an outward expression of a heartfelt desire to help fellow man. Finally, if we are going to use this Biblical argument, albeit a completely incorrect one, as a justification for compulsory government intervention, we need to apply it across the board since its either true or not. I wonder how Christ would feel about his followers being forced to subsidize abortions both here and around the world through the same tax vehicle that is/would be used for the above situation? I'm sure Christ is a big fan of killing infants as well.
                       
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                        I wonder if he would care if 4.7% of white adult males were incarcerated versus 0.7% of black adult males.
                         
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                          I do agree with him on one point, we treat animals better than humans. But it is not prisoners I am thinking about it is children. People were enraged when a cat was lit on fire rightly so. But I saw kids burned with cigarettes, shaken babies, a 2 year old whom scalding water was thrown on, spiral fractures from twisting and arm until it broke. In all but the shaken babies DCF was already in these homes. Where is the outrage for them?
                           
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                            Where's the outrage for infants who are developed and perfectly capable of surviving outside the womb but just havent popped out yet being brutally executed? As if passage through a few inches of canal shaped human tissue somehow bestows human rights, or changes the entity from a lifeless ball of cells to a living, breathing, infant child.
                             
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                              No, it's not. And that's not how the early church understood his words. You've bought into a recent and narrow view of the New Testament that feeds a particularly modern and distorted understanding of the individual.

                              Those who accept the responsibility of housing prisoners are responsible for their well-being.
                               
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                                Concern for prisoners and concern for unborn babies aren't mutually exclusive.
                                 
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                                  Nobody had air conditioning in the first century.

                                  I grew up in Florida. First house had one window unit. First family car I remember didn't have air conditioning. I didn't have air conditioning in school until I was a sophomore in HS (late 80's). And I'm not that old.

                                  I agree that we are responsible for the care of our prisoners, but you have to be logical about this. Federal prisons are powerfully built and safer than any middle school operating as a shelter. They are generally populated by young, healthy, strong males. They are well stocked with food. When you have limited resources to respond to hurricane damage, who do you help first? A mobile home retirement community? Nursing home? Shelter? Or a prison?

                                  I'm not heartless. I'm trying to be logical.



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                                  • Taco Gratis

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                                    As am I. If you can point to which of my statements in this thread aren't logical, I'll happily consider them. Where did I mention air-conditioning?

                                    Yes, the original article did, but all I said is I didn't find much to complain about in it.

                                    If the facts are as reported, then there is cause for concern. The issues should be looked into, and problems considered and addressed for the almost inevitable likelihood that this will happen again.

                                    If the facts are otherwise, then that should come out, too. My guess is Chuck Colson would have agreed.
                                     
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                                    The problem with the article is that it didn't actually show any instances of prisoners being mistreated. All it had was some vague innuendo that something bad might have happened in a prison but we don't really know. I don't buy it. Do we have an obligation to make sure that prisoners aren't in physical danger? Yes. Did any prison fail to meet that obligation? There is no evidence to the contrary.
                                     

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