Why don't you believe in global warming

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    The first automated technique for determining SST was accomplished by measuring the temperature of water in the intake port of large ships, which was underway by 1963. These observations have a warm bias of around 0.6 °C (1 °F) due to the heat of the engine room.[4] This bias has led to changes in the perception of global warming since 2000.[5] Fixed weather buoys measure the water temperature at a depth of 3 metres (9.8 ft). Measurements of SST have had inconsistencies over the last 130 years due to the way they were taken. In the nineteenth century, measurements were taken in a bucket off of a ship. However, there was a slight variation in temperature because of the differences in buckets. Samples were collected in either a wood or an uninsulated canvas bucket, but the canvas bucket cooled quicker than the wood bucket. The sudden change in temperature between 1940 and 1941 was the result of an undocumented change in procedure. The samples were taken near the engine intake because it was too dangerous to use lights to take measurements over the side of the ship at night.[6] Many different drifting buoys exist around the world that vary in design, and the location of reliable temperature sensors varies,

    Who knows what that bias is, they think they know but they don't. Inaccurate measurement systems are a large problem in climate change science.
     
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      https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2018/01/05/Heavy-snowstorms-in-China-leave-10-dead/4261515172154/

      Jan. 5 (UPI) -- Heavy snowstorms in eastern and central China have left 10 dead and countless others injured, following the collapse of more than 200 houses.

      State-owned news agency Xinhua reported Friday Anhui, Hubei and Jiangsu provinces have been pounded with snow blizzards.

      The heavy snow has led to the collapse of 200 residences in the region, and a total of 10 people have died across five provinces and 567,000 more have suffered damages.....

      China shut down 45 train service lines, all departing from Beijing, as heavy snow conditions made travel dangerous across the country.


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      Ok, SST vs air temp.

      FYI, most modern commercial vessels to do not draw engine cooling water from the sea any longer. A few will use raw water for exhaust cooling, but the trend is away from that. ANS issues regulated by a host of international organizations complicate that. In fact, most newer designs use closed circuit generation powering electric motors & drives.
       
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      Yes and today they don't use that method much any more. The point is data in the past is quite unreliable, so trends from then are as well.
       
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      90 years ago, most Americans were still shiitting outside. But they sure could read and record thermometer readings precisely.
       
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        According to the global warming "scientists", the temperatures recorded in the past were warmer than they should have been and the further back in time you go, the warmer the reports were. Once "corrected", these revisions account for almost all of the global warming being attributed to CO2.
         
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          Proposition: Someone can be said to believe in A, or that P, if and to the degree that they are ready in the appropriate circumstances to act with reliance upon A, or as if P were the case.

          Given the above, most people who say they believe in global warming (including yours truly) really don't. Instead, they have what could be called a "said faith."
           
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          This scientist reflects my thinking almost to a "t." (Dr. Judith Curry is Professor and former Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.)

           
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              I would differentiate between "religion" and superstition. Certainly Limbaugh doesn't believe that all religions are to be held in contempt.

              However, faith in the sense I described above is completely rational.

              Again: Someone can be said to believe (or have faith) in A, or that P, if and to the degree that they are ready in the appropriate circumstances to act with reliance upon A, or as if P were the case.

              On the other hand, many of the attacks on climate science are of the exact same form as attacks on evolution by fundamentalist Christians.
               
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              But only the one claims faith while the other claims fact ;)
               
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                "Faith that ignores facts is superstition."™ :headbang:

                A large cohort of climate change skeptics put politics over reason. A large cohort of conservative Christians put politics over faith.
                 
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                  Both sides... both sides;)
                   
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                  Actually, you have the situation exactly reversed. It is the global warming believers who are largely influenced by politics. The belief system itself is based on confidence in the results of computer models which have had very poor prediction abilities in the past. This is combined with appeals to the fallacy of authority (believing government or UN reports because of their source) and the fallacy of consensus (the claimed 97% of scientists claim promoted by Barack Obama among others).

                  It is certainly not responsible science to claim that global warming will cause reduced snowfalls and warmer winters and then when major blizzards and cold spells occur, blame them on global warming as well. In essence, global warming beliefs are religious not scientific because they cannot be falsified, a basic tenet of the scientific approach. In the global warming belief system, everything that occurs is characterized as proof of global warming.

                  Finally, take a look at everything that has been blamed on global warming and note the inconsistencies.

                  http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
                   
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                    Do you ever actually stop and think about what being said by someone else? Please refer to the above video and text from Dr. Curry.

                    You're just as guilty of putting politics over reason as the most rabid climate activists. That you couch your unreason in occasionally to-the-point criticisms of said activists doesn't make you any more sensible.
                     
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                      I tend to agree with Curry. Note that she points out that the remit of the United National climate apparatus (as well as most other claimed global warming "science") is limited to determining man's effects on climate. Effects from that big yellow ball of fire in the sky, the one whose minor perturbations in incidence angle cause the difference between bitter, freezing cold and blistering heat, is deliberately ignored. To a man with only a hammer, every problem is a nail. And the same is true of a climate scientist limited to considering emissions of CO2..
                       
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                        Thank you for your considered response.
                         
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