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  1. alcoholica

    alcoholica Well-Known Member

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    Wanted to take another look at ESD from a position by position perspective and start a discussion on where the class really stands. Currently, we have 20 signees and one commit (Diwan Black). We are ranked #17 on Rivals and 247.

    QB - Jalon Jones 5.7 3* - He was ranked a 4* earlier in the process, but never really heard what happened that made him drop. He appears to have found a great landing spot for his skill set.

    RB - Nay'Quan Wright 5.8 4* - Played in the big boy Miami area football. At one point was considered the #1 RB in the state, prior to an ankle? injury. Some coaches have told Gators Breakdown, they believe he could still be. Blend of power and speed. Another solid RB in the stable.

    WR - Dionte Marks 5.5 3*
    Ja'Markis Weston 5.7 3*


    Neither of these guys appeared to have camped, so their ranking could be artificially lower than their peers. Marks refusal to compete at FNL is troubling. Both appear to have better than average size. Weston gained a sleeper tag during signing day. While I don't like the "trust the coaches" mentality, Mullen was giddy about Weston and obviously thinks he stole one.

    TE - Keon Zipperer 5.8 4* - Very fluid runner, needs to work on blocking. Decent size. Should be a matchup problem in the passing game.

    OL - Deyavie Hammond 5.8 4*
    Michael Tarquin 5.8 4*
    Kingsley Eguakun 5.6 3*
    Will Harrod 5.8 4*
    Riley Simonds 5.7 3*
    Ethan White 5.6 3*
    Wardrick Wilson 5.8 4*


    Lot of guys with good size. Four of the seven are blue chippers, but all low end 4*s. Lot of numbers and potential, but it's the numbers and size of prospects that stands out.

    DL - Lloyd Summerall 5.8 4*
    Mohamoud Diabate 5.8 4*
    Jaelin Humphries 5.8 4*


    Need more numbers. Humphries appears legit, but WDE looks to have some projects at the position. Diabate was originally listed as a LB and Summerall is light.

    LB - Tyron Hopper 5.9 4*
    Jesiah Pierre 5.6 3*


    Diwan Black may very well end up in this class and with this group, but right now, we have these two listed. Hopper is light, but is one of our highest rated guys. Not sure if Pierre camped at all (I hope not given his rating), but he certainly looks the part. Let's hope Pierre is not a looks like Tarzan plays like Jane situation. Hoping more for a looks like Tarzan plays like Kong.

    DB - Chester Kimbrough 5.8 4*
    Jaydon Hill 5.7 3*


    This groups needs some work, and Mullen admitted as much. Steele is reported to be signed, but we have to wait and see. We have some other high end prospects we're looking at, with Elam being our best shot at an elite player (outside of Steele). Black and Whittemore could both end up in this group. Also, Dean could easily slip back into Safety or Nickel.

    ATH - Diwan Black 5.9 4*
    Trent Whittemore 5.6 3*


    Black is likely our best prospect, if he can qualify. He may have to go to prep school, but it certainly appears as though he's close to qualifying. He'll either start his path at safety of LB, but most think the move to LB will happen at some point. No one has mentioned that Kearse was a safety in HS, and maybe that's a good comparison.

    Whittemore is rumored to start off at WR. Not hearing a lot of positives in regard to his on field prospects. Is rumored to have good hands and a great utility player in terms of understanding the game. Hopefully, he can find a niche and be a contributor, which is more than a lot of higher ranked kids end up being.

    Take aways
    • While we have several 4* kids, most are the lowest ranking (5.8)
    • We have three kids (Marks, Pierre, Weston) that didn't appear to camp. Weston may be a sleeper....Pierre too.
    • Hill is a question mark to me. He better be special, because Mullen could easily get a 3* from FL, which would have helped future recruiting in FL
    • We do seem to have fits in the class. Jalon Jones should play much higher than his 3* rating. I think Weston is another that should play higher than his rating. Someone else can comment on the OL and if they see any good matches for the system.
    • We've got to do work on the DL and DB classes, which Mullen has commented on. IF we finish strong in these areas, we would have addressed our needs.

    The book isn't closed on this class, but there is a lot of work to be done on the defensive side of the ball. We have a guy like Diwan Black, who should be a top 50 (maybe top 20), but is ranked 155. If we can fill the defensive spots remaining with 4* talent, I'm willing to say this is an underrated class, but not dramatically so. I'd say 2-4 spots based on Black and Jones being an optimal fit.

    Also keep in mind, we are in line to potentially get two grad transfers: Jonathan Greenard and Stewart Reese. Greenard was injured this past year but had 7 sack and 15.5 TFL in 2017. Reese started all 13 games at RT for Mullen in 2017 and was the starter in 2018. Both of these guys would appear to be instant contributors. If this class somehow ends up top 10, these two proven quantities could push us to a talent bump close enough to consider the class a win.
     
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      • neteng

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        Look ... 51 weeks out of the year, we look at you Navy girls as family: Our little sisters. I think John Paul Jones is one of the baddest Americans to ever show the world what Americans will do if you mess with us. But this week is that 1 week out of the year that I hate you. You are scum. You are a bunch of wobbly legged salty flamers.

        GO ARMY! BEAT NAVY!

        GO GATORS!

         
        • GatorTruth133

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          I have two requirements before I will admit that Dan Mullen was a good/the right coaching hire:
          1. BEAT FSU
          2. Win the SEC, because if winning the East mattered Mac would be a saint. 100% glad they got the East title painted over this year.
          If we want another coach who can't beat FSU or win the SEC, why did we fire Muschamp and Mac? No, the #GatorStandard is higher, no matter what Pat Dooley, Crucial, Jeff Cardozo, Nuss, Robbie Andreu, Steve Russell, Edgar Thompson, or anyone else says about Gator fans expectations of a functional offense, efficient QB play, and actually winning titles are "too high". If you want to show what the #GatorStandard is, it starts Saturday. Anything else, and it's still the status quo of the decades. Muschamp and Mac had top 5 wins, so don't tell me about LSU.

          Gator Football, for me, is split into two time periods/sets of expectations, and it is split in 1990 with the arrival of Steve Spurrier as head coach. There was plenty of greatness before 1990, but then it was taken to the next level, the level we want to be at and the level we want to stay at, and also the level we currently are not at. In that time, we have developed new rivals to own (Tennessee) and overall, have owned others (Georgia). Since that time, there is only ONE, SOLO, SINGLE, UNO, rival who we play regularly and have a losing record against, the Florida State Seminoles. We are 12-17-1. For those of you playing the home game, yes, we have played them more than anyone else since we got Spurrier, 30 times in 28 years and we have lost more than we have won. This isn't a joke, this is the game of the season. This season means nothing if you lose the the worst FSU team in 40 years. You want to talk recruiting? Here are the pitches based on the outcome of the game:

          1. Willie Taggart if he wins: "Honestly, this is the worst team in 40 years and if UF couldn't beat that when they had 'shown progress', how much better could they really get? Come pay for the best team in Florida."
          2. Mullen if he wins: "Two programs, both with new coaches, one was 4-7 and won 5 more games, while the other program had a winning record the year before and ended with a losing one. That's the difference in the direction of the programs."
          Offense

          If we can run the ball, we will be fine. This game does not need to be put in the hands of Feleipe Franks. If he were more accurate down the field, I would 100% back taking some shots. I say take the 2nd half offensive plan from Carolina and let it ride. This FSU defense isn't that good. The D-line is decent, but that's about it. Get our guys in space and let them do their thing. Tyler Jordan, Fred Johnson, Martez Ivey, time to play like you actually care about being a Gator. Show the younger guys that this game means more, it does. If you block, Scarlett, Perine, Pierce, Toney, and dare I say Franks may have a field day running the ball. The last time we won, we put it away with the running game. Do Your Part. Tight ends, in 2014, we were dominating until one of you popped a ball up for a pick 6 that changed that game. Do Your Part. Receivers, block like you never have before and don't drop passes. Do Your Part. Running backs, find the holes, protect in the passing game. Do your part. QB('s), hit the open man, don't overthrow, take care of the football. Do Your Part. If you all play like your capable of, we've seen you drive 90 plus yards to take the lead multiple times this year. We've seen you come back from 3 score deficits multiple times this year. It all comes down to one thing, that you Do Your Part.

          Defense

          Let's not act like those 3 score deficits were all on the offense. Let's not pretend that the D-Line who did well against a good #failstate O-line and a good LSU team hasn't disappeared in recent weeks. Let's not lie and say that anything you've put on tape since the bye week (excluding Idaho) would lead an NFL team to draft you in a decent round. This is one of the worst offensive lines in the game, show everyone why you should get drafted. Do Your Part. Linebackers, your results have been mixed at best since the bye week. FSU has killed us on the ground the last 5 years. Do Your Part. DBU, let's not forget about Jake Fromm and Drew Lock having fun, especially on 3rd and long at your expense. This FSU has won a few games by BIG plays in the passing game in the final minutes. Ensure that this doesn't happen. In fact, keep the game going. Don't brag if a ball hits your helmet because if you even looked, its a pick. That's a failure on your part. Do Your Part.

          Special Teams
          Kick it out of the end zone, make your field goals, stop punt returns cold, pin them deep. Do Your Part.

          I could spend a lot of time ranting about the last 16 games, so I will do it more briefly than I want:
          2003: Refs AWFUL, still win if you don't give up a 50+ yard bomb near the end of the game.
          2004: First time in Tally, probably taking the exact same crew this year for the first time since. Fun game. Got home around 4-5 am. After missing our hotel due to a wrong turn.
          2005: Game began and UF scored TD's and FSU scored FG's, leads to a differential easily.
          2006: 1 point win, Percy leaves injured in first half. Fiancee (now wife) and I get up at like 4-5 am in Pine Mountain, Georgia and drive to Tally to scalp tickets, good seats, we go on to a Natty.
          2007: Geno Hayes, the cop beater, says Tebow is going down. He had one tackle, on Chris Rainey, which he acted like he was a badass after. Too bad Tebow embarrassed him with a spin move.
          2008: Only UF-FSU I've missed in this span, in the rain, Percy leaves injured, Tebow gets warpaint, makes iconic image. We roll.
          2009: Tebow says goodbye in a White helmut and destroy FSU.
          2010: Microcosm, Jordan Reed drives us down the field, John Brantley inserted to play hero and he does...for FSU by throwing pick in the end zone.
          2011: How we weren't shut out is amazing. This game was all that people needed to see to know Muschamp not going to work, if they didn't know already.
          2012: The lone win this decade. The 4th quarter rushing game and Antonio Morrison put it away.
          2013: Wow, just wow. "It's great to be a 4 and 8'er" rings through the Swamp...Muschamp retained.
          2014: Really dominant start. Muschamp philosophy that DE's are good TE's bites us in ass as Tevin Westbrook stone hands a ball, allowing FSU to change the game with a pick 6.
          2015: All around awful game. Treon, defense, o-line, running backs, everyone.
          2016: I don't remember much, I do remember Callaway slowing down on a corner route that would have been a TD.
          2017: God, o-line let's FSU get hot early by letting Franks get strip sacked as he gets out of the play action. Franks plays awful. Can't repeat.

          Fans
          If your going, show up early, get loud, let the team know your behind them. I've noticed many teams we have lost to in the Swamp have brought raucous crowds. I'm not saying it's a sure thing, but it does help. Show up and show out.

          Dan Mullen has never lost to FSU, I don't think this is the time he does. This FSU team is too bad. I think the give some fight early, but our rushing attack takes it toll.

          Florida 31 Florida State 21

          Go Gators!
           
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          • YLGator

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            Both lost again today and are both in serious jeopardy of not being Bowl eligible. That makes me happy.
             
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              Here is an e-mail sent to Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune after an article he published concerning a name change for the Washington Redskins.

              Dear Mr. Page: I agree with our Native American population. I am highly insulted by the racially charged name of the Washington Redskins. One might argue that to name a professional football team after Native Americans would exalt them as fine warriors, but nay, nay. We must be careful not to offend, and in the spirit of political correctness and courtesy, we must move forward.

              Let's ditch the Kansas City Chiefs, the Atlanta Braves and the Cleveland Indians. If your shorts are in a wad because of the reference the name Redskins makes to skin color, then we need to get rid of the Cleveland Browns.

              The Carolina Panthers obviously were named to keep the memory of militant Blacks from the 60's alive. Gone. It's offensive to us white folk.

              The New York Yankees offend the Southern population. Do you see a team named for the Confederacy? No! There is no room for any reference to that tragic war that cost this country so many young men's lives.

              I am also offended by the blatant references to the Catholic religion among our sports team names. Totally inappropriate to have the New Orleans Saints, the Los Angeles Angels or the San Diego Padres.

              Then there are the team names that glorify criminals who raped and pillaged We are talking about the horrible Oakland Raiders, the Minnesota Vikings, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Pittsburgh Pirates!

              Now, let us address those teams that clearly send the wrong message to our children. The San Diego Chargers promote irresponsible fighting or even spending habits. Wrong message to our children.

              The New York Giants and the San Francisco Giants promote obesity, a growing childhood epidemic. Wrong message to our children.

              The Cincinnati Reds promote downers/barbiturates. Wrong message to our children.

              The Milwaukee Brewers. Well that goes without saying. Wrong message to our children.

              So, there you go. We need to support any legislation that comes out to rectify this travesty, because the government will likely become involved with this issue, as they should. Just the kind of thing the liberal do-nothing Congress loves.

              As a die hard Oregon State fan, my wife and I, with all of this in mind, suggest it might also make some sense to change the name of the Oregon State women's athletic teams to something other than "the Beavers" - especially when they play Southern California. Do we really want the Trojans sticking it to the Beavers???

              I always love your articles and I generally agree with them. As for the Redskins name I would suggest they change the name to the "Foreskins" to better represent their community, paying tribute to the dick heads in Congress.
               
              • LongTooth

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                Nice ground level vid of the pick six.

                Great to see the 08s so fired up and celebrating with the current players while the crowd goes crazy.

                Huge moment with recruits sitting right there. So much history and electricity all at once.

                Ways to go for sure but it'd be nice if we can look back at some point and see this very point in time as the passing, or re-igniting, of the torch.

                 
                • G8RFAN16

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                  Florida is 1 of 3 teams currently in the Top 25 with a defense to give up only 3 TD's, not total points or FG's but actual TD's. The other 2 are Georgia and Kentucky. Say what you will about who we've played in the last 3 weeks, these young men can't control that...they just go out and play. This team is literally growing up and gelling before our eyes.
                   
                  • oxrageous

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                    Starting this week, I will be signing on to YouTube live immediately following the Gators game, giving my brief thoughts, and then taking questions in the chat room for a few minutes. Just like the raffle, the live video feed will be placed in or just above the chat box.

                    I'm looking forward to utterly embarrassing myself even more than usual.

                    Discuss.
                     
                    • Zambo

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                      :lol: Enjoy.

                       
                      • oxrageous

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                        Records against Kentucky:

                        Spurrier: 12-0
                        Zook: 3-0
                        Meyer: 6-0
                        Chimp: 4-0
                        Butters: 3-0

                        I've heard several posters say that Kentucky is going to eat our lunch this year. Whoo boy, better be scared of some Kentucky football.

                        The day I'm scared to play the Wildcats is the day the site gets turned over to Alvin Dork.

                        Grow a pair, Gators.

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                        • 88drgator

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                          • GatorJ

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                              FACTS

                              In 2012 the NFL had an issue with Tim Tebow kneeling for each game to pray, they also had an issue with Tebow wearing John 3:16 as part of his eye-black to avoid glare, and made him take it off.

                              In 2013 the NFL fined Brandon Marshall for wearing green cleats to raise awareness for people with mental health disorders.


                              In 2014 Robert Griffin III (RG3) entered a post-game press conference wearing a shirt that said "Know Jesus Know Peace" but was forced to turn it inside out by an NFL uniform inspector before speaking at the podium.

                              In 2015 DeAngelo Williams was fined for wearing "Find the Cure" eye black for breast cancer awareness.

                              In 2015 William Gay was fined for wearing purple cleats to raise awareness for domestic violence. (Not that the NFL has a domestic violence problem...)

                              In 2016 the NFL prevented the Dallas Cowboys from wearing a decal on their helmet in honor of 5 Dallas Police officers killed in the line of duty.

                              In 2016 the NFL threatened to fine players who wanted to wear cleats to commemorate the 15th anniversary of 9/11.

                              So tell me again how the NFL supports free speech and expression, all of a sudden..

                              It seems quite clear based on these facts that the NFL has taken a position against any action by NFL players demonstrating RESPECT for any issue: For God, social causes such as mental health, cancer, domestic violence, for cops killed arbitrarily for being cops, for the Memory of 9/11...

                              But, they will allow demonstrations of DISRESPECT for our National Flag, our National Anthem, for America, and for the American People, if it will help mollify a particular Group and its supporters (such as BLM, and other leftists)

                              That is who and what the NFL has shown itself to be.

                              Pass this post along. Honor our military, too many of whom have come home with the American Flag draped over their coffin.

                              Why support any organization that does not support our Country, Human Rights or any of the items mentioned above. Find something better to do that help perpetuate their lack of equality and greed, find something else to do this Sunday, I am!
                               
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                                  • oxrageous

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                                    I figure Jones needs to have his own thread. This is the first major offensive skill player in YEARS to spurn other huge programs for Florida. He may need a statue erected just for that.



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                                        Awesome video. Gave me the chills.


                                         
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                                          I wasn't able to post this last week, swamped with work. Yes, work comes before Gatorchatter. BLASPHEMY!!!

                                          In 2007, I ran into Dan Mullen when the Gators were preparing for the Citrus Bowl and they were holding their closed practices at Disney's Wide World of Sports. At the time I was a "Cast Member" in the Sports dept. and knew the guy who had their practice schedule, so I wandered over there.

                                          As I was walking near the practice fields, I ran into Dan and I asked him how things were going (I had my Disney name tag on). He was all smiles, very happy go lucky and we struck up a conversation for about 15 minutes. He asked me more questions about me than I asked him. I came away very impressed that "he gets it" that he was a cool dude. I had heard the rumors that he grated people the wrong way, but I can only attest to my one encounter with the new HBC that he was genuine.
                                           

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