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    Had just read something about Franks in another thread and had him on the brain. :lol:

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      Saturday was a good day to be Emory Jones. Fresh off the heels of a near miss against Bama and amid a quarterback controversy between him and phenom Anthony Richardson, Jones turned in a solid performance against Tennessee, leading the Gators to a 38-14 victory. In doing so, Jones was 21/27 passing for 209 yards, 2 TDs, and NO INTs. He also had a team-leading 144 yds rushing on 15 carries. 353 yds of total offense isn’t shabby and it was clear that Jones was feeling more comfortable as “the man,” exploiting the Vols attention to the rest of our backfield and patiently making the throws that UT allowed in the seams and flats. There’s still no vertical stretch and Emory remains too flat-footed in the pocket, but for a Saturday at least, he avoided the “Bama Hangover” (a term stolen from the TV guys) and led the Gators to an always appreciated, if not expected, win against the Volunteers.

      Meanwhile, after three fairly solid quarters against Bama last week, the Gators’ secondary reverted to their old ways, allowing open receivers behind them, missing tackles, and giving up two first half passing TDs. Had the Vols a better QB, the penciled in victory might not have been. I can breathe a little easier now, but on the Vols second TD, I couldn’t help but laugh (between cuss words) at how bad our DB looked pursuing the receiver who had run past him…

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      I’m quite certain that a lot of it had to do with having played some better last week, but the fact remains that we are not “DBU” and the route recognition skills nor the ability to process calls and carry out assignments remains underdeveloped. Thank goodness for the front 6/7.

      *We amassed over 500 yds of offense, 283 rushing and 222 passing and there’s some cause to celebrate our potency and consistency. However, we allowed 423 total yds, 275 passing and 148 rushing…against the inferior Vols. Maybe there was a touch of the “Bama Hangover?” Todd, is that you?

      *And while I’m on Grantham, I don’t fault him quite as much for some of his blitz calls. I mean, for two weeks now, we’ve faced relatively inexperienced QBs and finding ways to disrupt their timing and put pressure on them is Defensive Football 101. But Great Day, make sure you’ve got people in the secondary that can at least keep the receivers in front of them. It is maddening that this issue prevails year after year. I do fault Todd for allowing this to continue.

      *For not having a stable of highly touted LBs and having lost arguably our best guy to a torn bicep, we’re getting some decent play from them. It doesn’t hurt that our front four are pretty solid, even Brenton Cox looked good against the run, but Moon, Diabate, et al are flowing to the ball and cleaning things up. Heaven forbid that these guys don’t stay healthy.

      *Hated that Copeland got stripped while fighting for some YAC. Had that turnover not occurred and we go on to punch it in, we might’ve scored 50. As it stands, a three TD margin was not bad, even if we might have been left wanting more. A team that is strong running the ball and average passing usually isn’t big strike.

      *How about Mullen with a little trickeration?! That play was almost as if a fan had won some sort of radio station sweepstakes and got to call one play during the game. Or maybe SOS dropped by Mullen’s office for a little chalk talk? Any who, it was kinda fun and didn’t backfire.

      *A new kicker after Bama wasn’t surprising and he did make all of his PATs and a FG attempt. Wish we could see some touchbacks on the kickoffs though. There was also a new KO return guy. Expected moves were good to see, however insignificant that may seem ;)

      *We’ve got three pretty good backs, four if you count Emory, and I’m pleased that we are able to grind out yardage. It is demoralizing to the opposition and is due in large part to an improved OL. The Vols were pretty good in spots accounting for Davis, Pierce, and Wright, but not so much for Emory. We’re good as long as we don’t lay the ball down and the passing game progresses. We’ll soon face some teams that can take the run away and we’ll have to be able to counter vertically.

      *I have to give Rick Wells a shout. I’ve wondered how he has become a starting receiver for us, but he’s progressed and yesterday made a very nice catch going out of bounds, getting a foot down on the dead run. At some point this year, he and the other receivers will have to play a bigger part in the offense. I’m glad he’s moving upward.

      I still have feelings that Richardson is the future. He appears, in a short sample size, to have the arm and moxie that we all want in a QB. But despite those feelings, I am also happy that Emory has helped ease my mind some with his ability to run the offense, gain yardage and score points that was an improvement over last week. I am concerned with the passing game, though he did look more comfortable yesterday. He’s just not a pocket passer and though he had a couple of nice look-offs yesterday, it’s doubtful at this point that he’ll ever consistently read progression beyond the first one or two routes. Maybe Dan will have that two-headed QB at some point? At any rate, Emory is in a lot of ways both a feel good story and a throwback. It’s hard not to admire a kid these days, a QB at that, who waits for his turn and when he gets it he does good things, the PAT play against Bama notwithstanding.

      Improvement each week will be the name of the game for #5. That he hasn’t turtled up in the face of the calls for Richardson is a positive. A lesser guy would have. I posted this on here before, but an old coaching friend in Heard County told me when we signed Emory that we got not only a great athlete and QB, but a great kid who was a leader and wouldn’t embarrass us. So far he’s been right. The next step, of course, is to see if the improvement continues against Kentucky on the road. Go Gators!

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      • cover2

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        For the first time in 10 years the Gators defeated F$U in the Swamp. The 40-17 score, with Florida easily covering the 17 point spread, wasn't even that close as the Gators scored early and often and jumped out to a 20-7 lead. The Nole$ scored on their first possession as they took advantage of a couple of coverage lapses that got them into easy scoring position. Afterward, the defense cleaned up their *HUTA coverage and the game was essentially in hand in the third quarter. In the end, the Gators were simply too much for the Odell Haggins-led version of the Nole$ and any idea that he would be their new messiah was laid to rest (but don't underestimate the fiscal acumen of "the school out west").

        Of course it will always be a little disappointing to not be in the national championship or even conference championship conversation, but consecutive 10 win seasons in the midst of a rebuild shouldn't be dismissed. For a little while, it should be nice to enjoy the progress made and a second consecutive dominating regular season finale over a fierce rival without the parade of "yeah, buts." There's plenty of time for the continuing thorough dissection after the new year. In the meantime, lets look a some of the stories within the story from Saturday night at BHG:

        *Depending on who you ask, we're either in great shape or potential turmoil with our QB situation. Trask has been nothing short of amazing this season and EJ certainly shows promise. The question is whether EJ will stay with Trask set for another season. Few have been pleased with Mullen's random use and if there's fault it might be that he's tried to keep everyone happy while his eye is toward the future. What usually happens is that no one's happy and this is likely true if you were to poll the fans. My opinion is you've got to ride the horse that got you where you're at and let the future take care of itself.

        *Seemed like every receiver got to touch the ball. Swain and Jefferson had a great Senior day as each had two scoring grabs. Toney put on quite a show and reminded us of the dimension he adds to the offense. Pitts may have some of the best hands a TE could possess, but he seemed to be periodically hallucinating, thinking he was actually an OL as he essentially blocked no one. This deficiency has to be cleaned up at some point if he's to be the complete player he needs to be. Other than that, little to complain about from this embarrassment of riches.

        *With the exception of the poor coverages that led to F$U's first score (and a couple of others that weren't capitalized on) and a long TD run by Akers, the D was pretty much lights out. Greenard and the DL were strong and solid and the LB's led by Reese and Miller had a good performance. In all, a strong performance which is what you expect in this game.

        *HUTA = Head Up Their @ss coverage. Henderson didn't help himself in terms of future employment and as referenced, the Nole$ missed Terry behind our coverage several times. This was the only low point and luckily didn't hurt us.

        *"Move back, You suck!" I'm not really a fan of this type thing, but given the undisciplined play by F$U, it was certainly warranted and hilarious to boot.

        *The quick glimpse of the new facilities gives hope for the future. Looks to be a really nice layout on the horizon. It's about time.

        *Santa, if I can't have McElwain as the Nole$ next coach, I'll settle for Odell. The organizational skills and class (or lack thereof) that was on display was encouraging :)

        Really good season. Great is still out there. Now all we need to do is land in a good bowl and put on a good performance. Auburn might have helped us in that regard. Here's looking to a great new year with the rebuild proceeding. Go Gators!

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        *Apologies for the brevity. My only excuse is that we were late in the night getting home after a really great trip. Crowd was good and the Nole$ failed to show. I like it!

        *Adding a little here, but the last time I checked in the 4th quarter, F$U had been flagged 13 times (several PF and unsportsmanlike) to our 5. Remember when we were always among the most-penalized in the nation? Glad to not be in that group.

        *The Nole$ rabble was a no-show, as it looked like they had more band members than fans. Front runners for sure and a bunch of hypocrites. The nerve of turning on Taggart and the program after lauding his hiring as ground-breaking in terms of better relating to the players and changing the culture. News flash...their culture still sucks and they still sit on a throne of lies (hey, it's the Christmas season).
         
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          • cover2

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            I was wrong. At work, bantering with some of my colleagues who are Bulldogs, my response to “What’s your prediction?” was that I thought Bama might be a couple of scores better than us. Seemed reasonable, seeing as how Emory would start and Richardson was questionable along with our usual defensive concerns. Turns out Bama was maybe only a missed PAT better than us (if you believed in our potential chances in OT). Or maybe they were just better out of the gate, building a 21-3 first quarter lead and leaving us with a big deficit and only three quarters to find something, some way to get back into it against a very formidable opponent who was having their way with us, particularly through the air against a shaky secondary?

            In the end, we found a way to claw back into it. 258 rushing yards, quite the reversal of previous Gator offenses, and a defensive effort that limited the Tide to 10 points through the remaining three quarters left us with a chance. And we almost pulled it off, showing some improvements from the first two warmups. But it was not to be. We were better tonight than I thought we could be, but still not quite good enough to beat Bama. Close, but no cigar.

            *Most certainly, the biggest story postgame, especially among Gator fans, will be “Why didn’t we play AR?” Mullen all but told us he wouldn’t, referring to his hamstring aggravation, though many have posted of his pregame acrobatic routine continuing as usual :dunno: Was the injury legit or was it Dan just being stubborn? Whichever, I can’t say that Emory was awful. His pick was and no passing TDs is certainly cause for concern, but he does deserve credit for his leadership of the rushing offense that totaled 258 yds (80 by him) and put four TDs on the board against a Bama D that is usually tough against the rush. Down the road, however, I believe we will be forced to throw the ball and Emory did nothing to make me think he can provide that threat when needed. So, no participation trophies will be forthcoming.

            *The OL deserves a shout for their part in the run game. They moved some furniture this afternoon despite allowing a couple of nulls, one very important one that was compounded by Mullen’s play call. They are at their best in my opinion when they G and combo. Pass pro was okay. They allowed a couple of sacks and some pressures, but I’m not sure Bama’s secondary didn’t have a little something to do with that. Emory’s mobility likely helped as well. They can certainly improve, but their progress this year is notable, comparatively speaking. I’m hoping DeLance’s injury isn’t significant.

            *We actually have TEs. After being MIA in the first two games, Zipperer and Gamble combined for 9 receptions and 83 yards (6 other receivers shared the other 8 receptions). I was also pleased to see a couple of nice blocks by the TEs, one in particular by Gamble on a G that helped spring Wright for a nice gain. These guys aren’t as flashy or dangerous as Pitts, but they have important roles in this year’s offense.

            *We’ve got three pretty good backs (four if you count Emory ;)). The power that Davis is showing to go along with the quick acceleration that has been his forte is impressive. I can also appreciate his attention to ball security, even if I hold my breath on each touch (old coaches are not ever wholly forgiving of fumbles). Wright is certainly dependable and will be the guy next year. Pierce was maybe not at his best today, even though he had some tough sledding, but he can usually smell the end zone. Wish we could have converted the PAT. Not sure it was a winning call, but not surprised since we are quite one-dimensional these days. That was a black spot on an otherwise really good performance against a solid D.

            *Defensively, our front, led by Carter, continues with strong play. Holding Bama to 91 rushing yards was a big effort. Dexter and Cox made a couple of TV plays and behind them, Grandpa Moon and Diabate were around the football. Our secondary remains a concern. Strangely, they didn’t seem to be out of position on every play, but good grief they take quite possibly the worst angles to the ball I’ve ever seen. It seemed like every throw into the flats resulted in a DB getting outrun to and up the sideline. We also let too many receivers run free in the secondary. I was shocked that Saban didn’t run more tempo. That has been our Kryptonite. We can be a decent defensive team if these guys ever tighten up their fundamentals and responsibilities, but we’ve been waiting on that going on four years now…

            *My fears related to our kickers, though not where a needed FG was concerned, were confirmed. I personally think that missed PAT was very significant. Had it been made and we eventually went to OT, there’s no guarantee that we’d have won, but it forced us to go for two and we don’t exactly have the luxury of a passing attack that would keep Bama from loading up for the run on that final PAT. While on Special Teams, I’d also like to register my displeasure with the botched fair catch. Even though we drove the length to score, that crap is pee wee league and the coach in charge of that operation needs his hide tanned. That was embarrassing and reflects poorly on attention to detail.

            *BHG looked like it was loud and rocking. Attendance was announced as a sellout with 88,000+ and the TV guys commented on how hard it was to hear. Bama showed the effect in a couple of instances, so much better than the cardboard fans and canned noise. Looked very much like normal. Take that, Joe.

            While I am happy with aspects of our play and even some of the coaching…Damn a moral victory. At some point you’ve got to realize that if you THINK you can beat Bama and they KNOW they can beat you, the outcome is usually sealed. I’m a big believer that some of a team’s confidence comes from outside the capsule. The fans and how they feel, what they project, along with that of the media plays a part. Those two entities are influenced by the coaches, in particular the HBC, and the development of skills and strategies that are imparted. I don’t think Dan’s plan was terrible, in fact he almost pulled it off. It would have been better, I believe, if Richardson had been a part. What message did that send to the fans and what was the confidence level imparted? And that will dominate many discussions for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, turn the page. The Creamsicles are up next. Go Gators!

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            • Gator By Marriage

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              Not really a sports topic, but wanted to share the great news my son was accepted to UF today. (As was our neighbor across the street.). As you might imagine, Momma was stoked. He of course is too “cool” to show any excitement. No idea if he’ll “commit” & being out of state will be a challenge, but wanted to share nonetheless. Anyone else hear good news today?
               
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                • Bait'n Gator

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                  I bought tickets this year to the fsu game and those fckers have been emailing me nonstop trying to sell season tickets. One of them text me this morning and this is our conversation so far.

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                    Well, that was something to start the season. It wasn't smooth, it could be frustrating, but at the end of the day Gators football is back. The students were there early in numbers for the first time in forever, a legitimate 86,000 crowd, and 553 total yards, including 400 rushing. The crowd was hot to begin, slowed down, but after a number filed out it got electrified to again, which I will touch upon in just a bit. It was a nice day to see the crowd sway to We Are The Boys, the cell phone flashlights to I Won't Back Down, and even a halftime of the crowd singing Sweet Caroline. There are many reasons to be just happy to be there. There are positives, negatives, and of course, the QB issue that I believe was coached into.

                    Offense
                    The offensive line still has some issues, but you can't argue with 400 rushing yards when you can say they have improved. If the offensive gameplan was as vanilla as some would have you believe, this is an awesome number. Yes, 160 of it was one QB, but we all know that is Dan Mullen's plan.

                    The good was having 5 different backs averaging over 5 yards per carry. Lead by Richardson's ridiculous 22.9 ypc over 7 carries. Malik Davis lead the running backs with 7.4 yards per carry, ran for over 100, 1 TD and a long of 31 yards. Davis ran hard and so did Pierce. Bowman had 4 carries for 20 yards. Did the line miss some blocks? Yes. Can the line play better? Probably. Did they do what they needed to do and set a foundation to build upon? Yes. I think there are better running plays in the future. I do think the run game was pretty vanilla. We did, however, see at least one triple option (with a bad decision in my opinion) stemming from Emory at QB and two running backs in the backfield with him. I am looking forward to see how the running game grows and improves over the coming weeks.

                    The bad was definitely the passing game. We all knew we were taking a step back, but there's a step back and then there is what we saw. 153 passing yards is not good. There is no doubt, play-calling and one QB shoulders most of the blame here and I will get to that. I do believe there are some numbers that are deceiving and I believe there are numbers that are telling. What we saw will lead to a long season because there are some things that are issues that are not explained or fixed through vanilla or creative play-calling. I will get into that below.

                    Let's talk Emory vs. AR15, its the elephant in the room. Before we do, I want to say that I want them both to succeed. After Emory had three straight drives of -2 yards, pick, and 11 yards I saw Richardson with his helmet on and immediately told my brother and others around that unless you want a QB controversy that will split the fans and possibly the team, do not put Richardson in at that point in the game. Well, guess what? I was right. The post game call in show, Jordan Rodgers on the telecast, and Twitter are all I need to know that's exactly what happened. I'm not a psychic, but I know that if a guy has struggled and you put in a new guy who comes in and electrifies the crowd, it is asking for a QB controversy discussion.

                    I thought about bringing the pass chart I did in year's past back, but decided against it for now. What I can say is that while Jones was a decent 62.2% passing (17-27), some of those completions and incompletions were poor throws. Many were low, one caused Shorter to take a knee and get a loss on the play. The first completion to Copeland was high and a great snag by him to pull it in. Whittemore arguably dropped a bullet that was low over the middle he dove outstretched for. Emory also only completed 3 passes beyond 5 yards from the line of scrimmage. He completed 4 more beyond the line of scrimmage, but 5 or less yards deep, but one was (I believe) a great pass to lead Whittemore forward who then ran for an 18 yard gain. That leaves 10 completions that were screen or swing passes. That won't get the job done much in the SEC. He threw other intermediate routes, but many were low, behind, broken up (his last pass was behind and broken up) or intercepted. Jones might be a better passer than this, but looking at his completions it does give me pause.

                    AR15 came in and lead two TD drives when put on the field. He started 3 for 3. Two screen/swing passes and the longest pass of the night for 36 yards that could have been better. He did complete the ball though and the trajectory of the ball was nice. He then for the rest of the game went 0 for 5. Now, this is where I think a number might be somewhat deceiving. In those 5 throws two were drops, all on the last "drive" that began with 1:32 left in the game. After his electrifying 73-yard TD run, my family and I moved down to section C which looks down the far hash from the TV cam. He hits Fraziars outside shoulder, chest height, away from the defender and Fraziars dropped it. Bowman dropped a swing route. The other three included an overthrow of a deep route to Fraziars (we thought he slowed running mid route live and tried speeding back up, but couldn't see the whole route on the replay to tell if we just perceived it wrong), and two deep routes overthrown to walk on Kahliel Jackson...who I think we were trying to force a feel good moment to since his grandfather was honored earlier in the night. So yes, 5 incompletions are 5 incompletions, however, I'd say they are different than grounded balls, throwing behind receivers, etc. I'd like to see him get more of the full offense.

                    Both ran pretty well. However, last night there was no question in that game that AR15 was the more electric runner. We saw him stiff arm a defender into oblivion, break tackles on a 3rd and 20 run for a first down, hurdle another defender for a first down, and of course, have the longest QB TD run possibly ever. Depending on if you count Trey Burton in the wildcat of course. On that TD run he showed top end speed that you cannot teach. The crowd was louder those last three drives than they had since the game began. That is how you coach into a QB controversy.

                    Defense
                    There is a context to this defense. This is a Taggart defense with Perry at QB. That shouldn't scare many. We did hold them to under 220 yards of offense until their last two garbage time drives when we had a lot of back ups and/or younger guys playing. Even on those, we could have maintained the shut out if not for some stupid penalties like roughing the passer or late hit out of bounds.

                    The good is what I can say about the tackling department. We were tackling at a higher rate than I believe we've seen for years. Were there some missed tackles? Yes, it happens, but nothing like the epidemic we've seen recently. Hopper had a terrific tackle midway throough the game where he wrapped up a running back who takes it 70 yards for a TD if he doesn't make the stop. We also got off the field on third downs due to our play more than I realized when I re-watched the game. The biggest issue for this game was giving up three first downs due to dumb penalties. The first one was a PI by Marshall, though I'd argue it was uncatchable landing over the Gators sideline, but it is what it is. Blades negated a sack with a facemask on a receiver that happened as Perry was going down. The final one was the aforementioned roughing the passer call where Powell needlessly shoved Perry.

                    We got six sacks on the day which will bolster the defensive front. The question is, can we do it against the big dawgs of the SEC.

                    The bad of what I saw was coaching strategies we've seen bite us in the past like playing 10 yards off of a receiver on 3rd and 5. We did allow several 8-9 yards up the middle we tackled well, but against better talent it could become 15 or more yards. There were still some communication issues with the D, but not as many as in past years. On a particular run to the right by FAU we were aided by Perry not paying attention. I saw our DB's who were on the left side of the offensive formation still signaling to each other when the ball was snapped. Better QB's might recognize it and go after that.

                    I believed the defense showed improvement, but it is hard to gauge how much since this is a Taggart offense with Perry at QB. If this was the Lane Train they had a few years ago, this might've been a game. I don't know if we cycle as many players during the meat of our schedule, but a lot of guys got a lot of reps which I believe is a good thing. We certainly have things to clean up, but after the disaster that was last season, this is a step in the right direction. We won't know much about this defense for two weeks, but there are small things that we can take from what we do see.

                    Special Teams
                    These guys did what they had to do. Mullen had to talk to Crawshaw about pooch punting, but it's game one and touchbacks happen. In my opinion, the most exciting thing I saw was Henderson returning punts. He actually returned three times with different results. I believe a few were in a row for the first time in a long time. The one concern I do have is kickoffs. I almost would rather kick it out of bounds and let the other team have it at the 35 than to keep allowing these returnable balls. FAU almost broke one and I am sure that someone will if we keep doing it. I could be overly negative on that, but in a game rigged so much towards not returning kickoffs, to see us give returnable balls like we did (not as much air to allow defenders to get down the field), raises a concern.

                    Extra Points
                    • Good to see both Lingard and Bowman get some time when the game still mattered.
                    • Watson is a monster. He will plug some gaps for us.
                    • Zach Carter does appear to be back with a vengeance.
                    • UCLA seems to be climbing from the no talent pit it was in, also Ed O may be who I thought he was.
                    • Lots of top 25 struggled and some lost. We did better comparatively, but we will see how it shakes out.
                    • We will move up by virtue of NC and Wisconsin losing.

                    Overall, it was a night with some fun plays and some frustration. Let's take this game for what it was and move on. We face a bad USF team that was blanked by NC State last week. I expect multiple sacks and a big win. It won't teach us much, but what to look for is ball placement by the QB(s). Is it in the upper body? Is it at the feet? Can we run for 400 yards again? Will someone take the QB job by the reigns heading into Bama? Whatever happens, it will be worth a watch.

                    Go Gators!
                     
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                            Offense was great.
                            Defense was bad but injured.
                            Dan had some questionable decisions down the stretch but we aren’t even in the game without his play calling up to that point.
                            We may play them again in Atlanta.
                            If you disagree you are uneducated and probably a lib cuck.
                             
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                              What a win, Sports Fans! Lot of eyes on this game. Lot of early speculation and questions as well. After playing better against a lowly Vol team, would we have enough momentum and confidence to go on the road and win in a place that has been difficult to say the least for our Gators to find a victory? How would we fare on the line of scrimmage, particularly against a team that has one of the best DLs in college football? What would we get from the offense to help us to a win (might read that as could Franks do what it takes to at least keep the D off the field)? Well I think we saw the answers unfold in a tough, old fashioned 13-6 SEC road victory where the D, who played some bend but don't break early on, but hit the switch and just took over in the second half. Even 25 yards in penalties that got them out of a hole on MissState's final possession couldn't derail the D, particularly the front four and notably Jachai Polite.

                              I also think an acknowledgment of the improvements and positive steps we are taking is due Dan Mullen. You haven't got to like him or even think that he was the best guy we could have hired at the time. We aren't where we want to be yet and it will take time to get there, but we should all appreciate the direction that we are moving. Hell, I'd almost be willing to give him an extension for what he's done with the Special Teams (OK maybe not an extension, but a beer and several "atta boys" at least). The only criticism I can give him is not using a time out earlier at the end of the first half (those time outs don't do you any good in your pocket going into the locker room), but at the conclusion I guess it's a moot point. Otherwise I think he had a pretty good game plan and the D obviously came to play. Team was very well prepared. Something we couldn't say very often the last few years.

                              So let's look at some specifics of the big win in Stark Vegas:

                              *One big sequence in the game that could have turned it in two different directions was Franks' long ball that was negated by Taylor's holding call and MissSt's drop on the deep pass. Either that would have been complete likely would have resulted in points and could have impacted the momentum and in the Bulldog's case might have impacted the outcome. But it didn't and the good guys sealed the deal on the backs of a dominant defensive performance. We held them to about 200 yards of offense and no TDs. How about that?!

                              *Franks threw well enough to go over 200 passing. He made some really nice throws and a couple of bone headed ones that resulted in a pick and a couple more that probably should have been. He ran the offense pretty well and played with what looked to me as more confidence in a game that obviously had a lot of pressure attached. He might not have necessarily won the game, but he sure didn't lose it! Seems to be growing and this is something I wasn't sure he could do at the pace I think we've seen this season.

                              *We didn't rush for a ton, but we got some gains when we needed them. I was surprised at the stat line that Scarlett only had 21 yards. Seemed like he should have had a few more, but Perine had a nice game as did Pierce, who looks to be our "closer" if you will, bringing fresh legs and power into the game when the opposing D may be a little gassed. He'll eventually get some touches earlier, but he's playing his role nicely at this point. Did I mention Toney had a couple of good runs? Nice QB counter on one.

                              *The OL had some good moments, obviously, as we had somewhere around 350 yards of offense. Couldn't pull that off against there D if they weren't doing some good things. But we had some of the usual blunders as well, such as Fred's two false starts, Taylor's aforementioned hold, and a whiff by Ivey. Still, there are some improvements, effort and knowing their assignments perhaps, even if consistently executing them continues to be a work in progress.

                              *Lot of names in the secondary that I am not familiar with. Made some mistakes (like letting the guy get behind them on the drop), but overall they held the Bullogs to around 100 yards passing. Henderson and Chauncey are really dependable, if not pretty good, and are leaders of that unit. Little #21, whose name escapes me, made some good plays. Best thing is that this group actually looks like they are being coached.

                              *The front seven, especially the DEs, played well. As mentioned earlier, they bent but didn't break early when MissSt was fresh, attacking, and having success moving the ball. But they answered the bell in the second half and put the hat on the QB, rendering him virtually ineffective when the Bulldogs had to have his best to have a chance to tie or win late. Polite, Zuniga, and CeCe were big with the rush and the whole unit kept the ground game from hurting us. Something for the DEs to work on however is that we don't always read run very well and the success MissSt had off tackle was a result of us getting upfield. Gotta love what this group is doing and the steps they've made under Grantham.

                              *Listened to the ESPN broadcast after the game and I think they mentioned that 11 Gators caught balls today. Pretty good job of spreading it around. And who would have thought one of if not the biggest catches came on a flanker pass to the TE? Timing on when to call those plays is everything.

                              *Another SEC road game and another home fan base that cleared out so fast you'd think they were handing out commodity cheese Chek soft drinks in the parking lot.

                              *In other football news, Taggart gets an unlikely win when Petrino steps on his d!ck and calls a pass play after getting a first down deep in Nole territory with about a minute and a half remaining. The pass, of course, was intercepted and the Noles went on to score the winning TD. SMH.

                              So LSU is up next at our place. Suddenly it looks like we may have a shot. Who'd a thunk it post-UK? Again, gotta give this group and the staff some credit. They are starting to meet, maybe exceed, many of our expectations. But one game at a time and the Bayou Bengals are it. If we get the same defensive effort against them as we gave today, I like our chances. Unless I missed something, we seem to be staying pretty healthy and we are building depth. Lot of football left, but we are doing good things and maybe the belief of the fan base is growing? I know that the belief of the team certainly is. Like one of the radio guys said after the game, finally after the last three unfulfilled years, the players' work is now paying off. It may be more appropriate to say that this year's work is paying off and the veterans are finally overcoming the lack of decent coaching they were previously exposed to, which is a testament to the fortitude of these kids. Lesser ones would have cashed it in by now and some did. Keep on rockin' Gators. Liking what we are doing and look forward to continued growth and development. Go Gators!

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                                  I want every single member of Gatorchatter to make a post in this thread with their thoughts. No exceptions. Lurkers, pipe up.

                                  This is somewhat long - anyone who responds with "TLDR" gets a ban.

                                  I got to thinking about some things today after Swamp Donkey went nuts out the blue, called me names, and was banned for a week. Then I got an email from him basically saying we'd become Swamp Gas because of my insistence of the board being positive about this hire. He made me think, he often does. This thread isn't about Donkey, but I will say I don't know if he'll return or not.

                                  We've always been known around the Gator Nation as the "negative" board, which I understand. Since Gatorchatter was launched in 2014, there really has been very little to be happy about. The brand has taken a complete dive, dropping UF out of the elite schools that annually challenge for titles. Hence, being negative hasn't bothered me, since we were just dealing with reality and the truth of the situation. However, Donkey made me think of something today, and that's this.

                                  Some people are negative about the program because the program is bad, some people are negative about the program because they want to be negative. They actually enjoy the bashing and negativity. When something positive happens, they don't really like it. They get some kind of kick or power from wallowing in the mud.

                                  While I certainly don't like blind pumperism, being "woe is me" on Gatorchatter for 7+ years now has really taken a toll. We've complained about a lot, and rightfully so. The garbage facilities, the constant cheap tactics from the administration (other than overpaying bad head coaches), their seeming to embrace mediocrity while other schools pass them by, it has really sucked. The product on the field has obviously also suffered as a result.

                                  HOWEVER...

                                  Everything seems to finally be changing. Mullen and his embarrassing group have been jettisoned. The Heavener Complex (which really is nice) is supposedly almost done. Stricklin has decided to throw money in places that we've been demanding for years. No matter what you think of Billy Napier's X's and O's, he certainly seems to have the right attitude about what needs to be done, starting with recruiting. We're going to have a lot more eyes on the team and our opponents. These are going to be a functional, prepared teams. There's a lot to be happy about.

                                  Even after all this came to light, many members of this board were so beaten down (and I really do understand) that they couldn't help be miserable anyway. They hated the hire, they hated everything. It bugged me. It's like they were happier when they were upset, down and pissed. I feel like they would have hated almost any hire just out of reflex. This is the kind of thing I would like to see turn around on this board.

                                  My draconian tactics to control the misery are over - I think I made whatever point I was going for. I'd like for each of you, as part of a 2022 resolution, to attempt to change your mindset about this program. We asked for things and we got them. It really is a new day and it feels like it.

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                                    Capable....but unable. Mick said something along those lines in the wrap-up. I couldn't agree more. We rode into Jax with only one loss, that to SECW heavyweight LSU. We'd found our QB and leader and along with our sterling group of receivers, the passing game was clicking. Bookends Greenard and Zuniga were set to return, rested and healthier. Bring on Fromm! Bring on Swift! This was to be our chance to reclaim the city and turn the series back in our direction. Six point 'dogs? We got this!

                                    But it was not to be. This was not UT or Kentucky or Auburn or South Carolina. This was Georgia, the team that hates us as much as we hate them and they had the tools to get it done. Along with the previously-mentioned positives, there were some negatives that were our undoing:
                                    • UGA owned third down. Seemed like every time we had an opportunity to force a change of possession, they'd convert. We, on the other hand, couldn't buy one when we had to have it.
                                    • We were 2/3 on fourth downs, but the one we didn't get, the first attempt on the first drive of the game, seemed to rob us of our mojo. Mullen said in his post-game talk that after that "we failed to respond." He wasn't kidding.
                                    • We couldn't block. They could. Even though we held their ground game in check for three quarters of the game, we were absolutely unable to run it against them when we had to. Furthermore, we got overpowered and passed by often while pass blocking. Our OL looked like the scout team, but we all knew this was bound to happen. We just hoped it wouldn't.
                                    • Grantham's scheme looked almost identical to the one employed against LSU, generating insufficient pressure on Fromm who carved us up after winding his watch and scratching his @ss after the snap. That extra time also made it hard for our DBs to maintain coverage and Georgia made us pay over and over again. We didn't sack him and it seemed even when we pressured him he was able to escape with the second level defenders stretched away from the LOS. Groundhog Day.
                                    This one hurts. We were believing. But some of the deficits we've previously gotten away with wound up biting us. Let's look at a few more specifics:

                                    *CBS showed several plays where Fromm had 4+ seconds to scan the field while we were rushing four or five most times. At some point you think Grantham's got to find a way to make him get the ball out quicker, but he never did or at least not effectively. I felt like I was watching my house burn down and all I did was hope the fire truck would eventually get there. I guess I'm now sifting through the ashes.

                                    *The DL and LBs were pretty salty against their run game. I think I heard that Swift was held to 80-something. Unfortunately it didn't seem to matter. They still gained almost 400 total, ran more offensive plays than us, and held the ball longer.

                                    *We aren't DBU. Not anymore, not right now. Lack of pressure on Fromm didn't help us, but we got lost in coverage several times. The most glaring was their last TD, the pass to #15 who was uncovered. As he released and ran the cross, our DB over him (we looked to be in Cover 2) turned to alert the safety. Unfortunately, the safety had bailed, starting to chase a deep receiver (who was covered) already 15-20 past him. A good team will make you pay for these blunders. Also, we had several instances of not finding the ball while in man coverage. Henderson had this happen a couple of times in key situations.

                                    *Their OL was massive (avg. wt. ~320). Although we did well against them against the run, they were pretty solid in pass pro. The difference between their's and ours was frightening.

                                    *Pitts is becoming a great TE. He made some great catch and runs in the first half. But he just vanished in the second. Some credit has to go to UGA for finding him and making sure he was covered.

                                    *I'm not a big fan of the called runs for Trask. If we can't block for our backs who are much faster and more agile than him, we are wasting downs. The element of surprise is gone.

                                    *I was pleased with our sense of urgency later in the game, but it proved to be too little, too late. Per Mullen, we've got to respond early and often. As mentioned, I think we let doubt creep in after turning it over on downs to start the game.

                                    *Effort was not our problem, but execution was. Offensively it pretty much begins and ends with the OL. We're about where we're gonna be until this gets fixed.
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                                    Try as I might to cover my ear and think of other things, I can't help but hear the whispers of "wait 'til next year." Our top two goals are gone now. We can play to win out against Vandy and Mizzou and hope that by some miracle we get a little help with UGA. But the odds aren't in our favor. We're better served to play to win out, including F$U and a bowl and turn that into some positives with what'll be left of recruiting. This we can still control. Beside all that, we're Gators. As Freddie Swain said after the game "We got some guys with their heads down right now. The loss stings. But we'll come back Monday and work on getting better!"

                                    That's what we do. Go Gators!


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                                      With apologies to Jim McElwain, eponymously named game analysis posts on Gatorchatter have officially "jumped the shark." In that spirit, here is "Pasty's Stool," the first and probably last analysis of a football game you'll ever see from me.

                                      First the good news, and a few things to cheer you up.
                                      1) Jameis Winston turned the ball over six times yesterday. He threw five picks against one TD and fumbled twice, losing one. He's far and away the most turnover-prone player in the NFL since 2015, and to add to the good news cavalcade, he apparently didn't sexually assault a soul during his stay in London. I realize this doesn't have anything to do with the LSU game, but I think you'll all agree that Gator fans everywhere are happier today knowing that the female population in London somehow managed to avert this maniacal, interception-throwing octopus.

                                      2) Kyle Trask is the real deal. He has got the kind of grit, resilience, and character that prove that the summers he spent in conversion therapy camp at the behest of his evangelical preacher father have paid off. This dude is a gamer if there ever was one. We are so much better off with him under center than Feleipe Franks. Every time I thought we were out of it, he stepped up and marched the team down the field. We lost, but it certainly wasn't his fault.

                                      3) This loss doesn't matter. That's right, you heard me correctly. If we want to win the East we still need to beat South Carolina and Georgia, just like we needed to last Friday. If we want to make the playoff we still need to do that, plus *cough* beat Alabama or LSU in a rematch.

                                      Ok, now the bad news:

                                      1) Have you ever fed grease to a goose? I have, (don't ask me the circumstance or why, but trust me, it's a mess), and that's basically what our defense looked like against the LSU offense. I honestly can't remember a worse defensive performance. The only thing that saved us was the fact that we held the ball for so long. They were averaging twelve yards a play in the first half, and that included a kneel. There were parts of the game that made me feel like the defense had given up, not out of lack of desire, but out of complete exasperation and a desperate hope to just stop the play before it got to the goal line. I have very little confidence in that unit at the moment. They got lucky a few times early in the season, and they do need to get credit for their red zone effort going into the LSU game, but this issue is a real wildcard, and it could be our biggest concern going forward. The impact of Greenard not playing was pretty obvious. That guy's a disruptive monster and if he's out of the South Carolina and Georgia games, we have an issue.

                                      2) Dan Mullen is too cute for his own good. There is nothing particularly impressive or intimidating about LSUs defense, they were tiring, we were moving the ball against them, we have a QB who is very good in my opinion. As much as I like Emory Jones, there is no reason to repeatedly bring him in to run the wildcat, which is the most telegraphing formation in football. Everybody knows the QB is going to run the ball more often than not. You may get away with it for a few downs, but by the second half, they are going to stuff it. Trask was having a great night. Why take the ball out of his hands with a halfback pass or by bringing in a new QB? The stupidity in the name of being "clever" here is astounding. This reminds me of that fake punt against Auburn. Mullen thinks he's fooling everyone, no one told him that he's only fooling himself.

                                      3) When you shuffle QBs in and out, you lose rhythm, your clock management suffers, and your starting QB gets out of sync. When Mullen shuffled QBs, we lost valuable time, a timeout, and we gave the LSU defense time to gather themselves. We had them on their heels and, again, Mullen got full of himself and blew it.

                                      4) Someone needs to teach the defense how to get set before a play when the opponent is running the hurry-up. Every single OC worth his salt will want to run the hurry-up against us. We looked embarrassingly unprepared for it, and that's on Grantham. Guys weren't lined up so often that it was like we playing 9 vs. 11 most of the time. Ridiculous and shameful.

                                      5) LSU chicks may be hotter than ours. At the very least, they dress more provocatively at football games and generously bounce around more.
                                       
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                                        This is Kevins wife & he asked me to give yall an update. 1st part of the surgery went well. They removed the infected section of intestines & cleaned out the abdomen. They left the stomach open & placed him on a ventilator for a lil over 24 hours. The 2nd part of the surgery is planned for Wed morning. Thankfully they took the ventilator out today to make him more comfortable. He's still in some pain but seems to be tolerating it well. He's been alert most of today.
                                         
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                                          Some days just aren’t meant to be your day. Maybe we should have known something was up when earlier in the day our best basketball player, Keyontae Johnson, suddenly and unexpectedly collapsed very early in the game with FSU? Most certainly our prayers and concerns go out to this great Gator athlete and his family. And if you believe in such foreshadowing, this could have been a sign. Add to that the mysterious last minute scratch of Kyle Pitts and the eerie fog that rolled into the Swamp in the second half and you have all the makings of a Poe epic. “Quoth the Raven, ‘Nevermore!’” about sums up where we find our Gator hopes and dreams at the moment.

                                          Believe what you will, but personally I think you lie in the bed you make and Saturday night the problems in the secondary that have plagued us for a great while now, along with with some OL troubles, led to our undoing. Maybe most glaringly was that the simmering pot of coaching issues, particularly on the defensive side, finally boiled over with two botched corner blitzes that resulted in open receivers behind the safeties and a foolish and a very selfish penalty by a veteran, yet underperforming Marco Wilson that negated a timely third down stop. LSU was then able to convert a 57 yard field goal that became the difference. Eventually, you have to pay for your transgressions. Or in this case, your lack of attention to continuing problems. Even though you can lay much of this on Grantham, English, and company, ultimately this falls squarely on Dan Mullen’s shoulders.

                                          *There’ll be references to other stats, but the most important one last night was three turnovers by us, two interceptions, one a Pick Six, and a fumble, all by Trask, and none by the Tigers. I don’t think you’ll find a better competitor than Kyle, but tonight wasn’t his best night despite throwing for 474 yards.

                                          * For two games in a row, we’ve had consecutive three-and-out possessions. Three of them in a row in the second half immediately following two scoring drives was a head scratcher. It’s almost as if we expect the opposition to just roll over and let us cruise on to victory, and in a sense we have previously. Not last night, though. This is the SEC and even the most down-trodden can beat you...if you allow them the opportunity.

                                          *Toney was en fuego. 182 receiving yards and a TD on 9 receptions and 56 yards rushing was quite a night. Though it’s taken him some time to fully bloom, or the coaches are finally taking advantage of his abilities, he is pure excitement. It hasn’t hurt that he has developed a great pair of hands to go along with some great route running. We’ll sure miss him.

                                          *”Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results is the definition of insanity!” That finally caught up to us with the inability to get lined up defensively and the poor coverage that has been constantly on display. That this has been allowed to go on for so long is inexcusable. Chris Doering called this an “embarrassing loss.” I would not disagree, especially against this edition of the Bayou Bengals, fresh off a thrashing by Bama and only dressing 50 some odd players. After listening to Mullen’s presser, I’m not quite sure he sees it that way.

                                          * Ventrell Miller has steadily developed himself into a pretty decent ILB. He was a man last night, recording 10 tackles and 6 assists with a sack. What’s really impressive to me is to see how much better his reads and scrapes have become. You don’t see him taking the shallow angles that result in him getting pinned or tangled up inside. We need to be seeing similar development in other defensive positions.

                                          *And just like that, Evan McPherson became just another good kicker. Not the great one that we all hoped for. There’s still time for him to rub out the tarnish of his missed 51 yarder (and a head scratching couple of easy ones that didn’t really hurt us this year), but he missed when we really needed one. Such are the vagaries of a place kicker. You might say it never should have had to come down to his kick, and you’d be right; but it did. That’s when you’ve got to make the kick. No excuses.

                                          *Like all of you, I’m pissed with Marco Wilson. That was a bone-headed move of epic proportions. The gut reaction is to want him to be dismissed. Understandable. But the guys I’m really pissed with are the coaches who have continued to play him through his coverage mistakes and poor techniques. He doesn’t need to be dismissed, he needs to be sat, starting about nine games ago. There are a couple of youngsters who could have benefited from his wasted reps.

                                          *Malik Davis had a nice game, 7 rushes for 81 yards and 5 receptions for 25. I’d like to compliment the OL for their efforts in this regard, but a -28 yards by Trask and 4 sacks surrendered is a backward step.

                                          *Copeland had a good night. He looked very dynamic and poised to become one of the next greats. Arms extended on a couple of catches. In the absence of Pitts, it was a great opportunity for him to shine.

                                          It’s going to be hard going into the SECCG against Bama next week with much confidence. We missed a great opportunity to build some momentum against our west rival who was literally a game away from packing their suitcases and heading home for the holidays. You can understand players getting ahead of themselves, but the coaches should know better. If they did, it didn’t look like it. What should have been, by all accounts, a walk in the park, turned into a disaster. Another kite lost in the trees.

                                          We’re at a crossroads. We can show up, get our butt spanked, and spin it that we reached one of our goals. Or we can act and perform like we’re better prepared and fight with everything we’ve got. This is what’s required; this is what’s expected. Go Gators!

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