Recruiting ***Official ESD Game Day Thread***

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How is there a safety in Deland(#54Williams) that isn't committed to us......better be a staff member camped out on his front doorstep...Deland is an hour from Gville for Gods sakes....I'll wait for the excuses.
 

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Dan's returning our swagger. Say what you want about him, but I bet other teams aren't clamoring to play us anymore. We had become a laughingstock. Not anymore. He's given us credibility. Restoring the mystique. I like where the program is going. And YES my opinion is that we will win a championship under Dan.

Renard, I have no doubt that Mullen is a good coach, but is he an elite coach? Saying that he might get one championship a lot of dudes have one Champioship at a Premier program because the stars align the right way (ie Coker). Does he have the attention to detail that is needed to put us in that conversation annually. The evidence doesn't suggest that. Now again that's not saying he is bad, just not elite. A person who runs every detail to the point where the ship doesn't vary too off course, which is more needed in this era of College Football due to the Playoff. Would Meyer, Saban, Dabo, or Spurrier after two weeks of preparation allowed an offense to come out with wrong cards when they were also serving as OC?
 

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How is there a safety in Deland(#54Williams) that isn't committed to us......better be a staff member camped out on his front doorstep...Deland is an hour from Gville for Gods sakes....I'll wait for the excuses.

Remember Crete, we were told yesterday Miami recruits better because they are in a talent rich area unlike anywhere else in Florida.
 

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No one celebrates this coaching staff’s challenges, and agonizes the staff’s successes, more than the donkster.

It's a solid class, especially on the lines (11 down linemen). Got one dude that has questionable grade (according to reports) that might sign in Feb that is a solid prospect. Does it take care of what we will lose and what we need? Some what. Were there misses that will need to be addressed? yes. Is there a prospect or two that takes of from good to great similar to the classes in the mid 00's. I hope so but don't see it, and it's no longer about what Butters, Mushchamp, or Urban did... This is his 3rd class, this is Mullen.
 

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Renard, I have no doubt that Mullen is a good coach, but is he an elite coach? Saying that he might get one championship a lot of dudes have one Champioship at a Premier program because the stars align the right way (ie Coker). Does he have the attention to detail that is needed to put us in that conversation annually. The evidence doesn't suggest that. Now again that's not saying he is bad, just not elite. A person who runs every detail to the point where the ship doesn't vary too off course, which is more needed in this era of College Football due to the Playoff. Would Meyer, Saban, Dabo, or Spurrier after two weeks of preparation allowed an offense to come out with wrong cards when they were also serving as OC?
That's the opinion of us message board novices.

Actually the evidence says he has great attention to detail. Just look at his teams opposed to previous coaches.

Coaches winning multiple championships at one school is an anomaly. And yes, usually a lot of things have to go right. Dan eluded to that in this presser yesterday. You think Ed O is gonna become the next Saban? I don't. He caught lightning in a bottle this year. I keep saying this, but SOS only won 1 championship. There won't be another Saban. Dan gets his QBs and I think that will always keep us competitive.
 

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You need a vacation

This.

Typically, I love me some Law, but dude, STFU. Take some time away from the keyboard. Or this board. Or at least this thread. Your negativity on this specific topic, especially given that our shortcomings are blatantly obvious to even the most casual observer, is overwhelming.

For your own good and the good of your family; to restore my blood pressure to its healthy range and to allow a little seasonal cheer to creep in to our little online community, follow MJM's advice and take a vacay. Come back rested, refreshed, and with the more tolerable level of "Law Donkeyness" that we all know and love.
 

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No, I get the numbers. I'm just thinking if we were to get Williams, we'd now have two true Safeties (plus Britt who should also end up there) and one that is more of a project athlete. If we're teaching him something anyway, would it be worth a shot to at least see what he can do on O?

Again, you're probably right. It's likely not been mentioned for a reason. Just thinking out loud.
I apologize I’m slightly confused, probably from the lack of sleep.

But what are we teaching McDaniel? Safety? He was a 3 year safety in high school before being a cornerback this year (if I’m reading you correctly). I think moving Britt to offense would be the better choice, freeing up a safety spot for Williams
 

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That's the opinion of us message board novices.

Says the dude that was talking down to people.

Actually the evidence says he has great attention to detail. Just look at his teams opposed to previous coaches.

As opposed to Muschamp and Butters, who were not good coaches still not a good indicator. Against Spurrier and Meyer, not in favor of Mullen.

Coaches winning multiple championships at one school is an anomaly. And yes, usually a lot of things have to go right. Dan eluded to that in this presser yesterday. You think Ed O is gonna become the next Saban? I don't. He caught lightning in a bottle this year. I keep saying this, but SOS only won 1 championship. There won't be another Saban. Dan gets his QBs and I think that will always keep us competitive.

This last paragraph is were you completely off the rails. Through new arguments out there to cover you own bias look at the situation. No one mentioned Coach Orge as a multi-championship winning coach but for some reason you bring it up. If the system that is present today, how many championship would SOS have played for after winning the SEC? It's a different era of football. That is the part you are dismissing to fit your argument.

Since the introduction of the full BCS (95-97 bowl alliance) which shifted to the playoffs:
FSU 2
OSU 2
LSU 2 (maybe three after this year)
UF 2
USC 2
Alabama 5
Clemson 2 (maybe three after this year)

So in 20 years 7 teams have done it, because unlike previously the path is more defined.
 

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especially given that our shortcomings are blatantly obvious to even the most casual observer, is overwhelming.
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are you serious? there will be a hundred more people trying to explain it away. claim we did fine. claiming there's this new offense where you don't need running backs or wide receivers. (There is of course called 2016 Cowbell.)

it's not like this is new. we've signed garbage wide receiver classes and garbage running back classes for three years in a row.

and garbage linebacker classes. and garbage safety classes. and 2 years of garbage DT classes.

A good-but-not-great line class this year doesn't offset that.

Is this coaching staff only able to do one thing at a time? Why?

Noise in the system's exactly what fixes the **** eventually, although I think this is not going to be fixed until after the Georgia game in 2021.
 

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I apologize I’m slightly confused, probably from the lack of sleep.

But what are we teaching McDaniel? Safety? He was a 3 year safety in high school before being a cornerback this year (if I’m reading you correctly). I think moving Britt to offense would be the better choice, freeing up a safety spot for Williams

Could be wrong. I'm going off of what I've read on here from a couple of posters who follow the recruits themselves more than I do. I was under the impression, he was almost more a Corner/WR/Athlete than true Safety. Maybe I misunderstood.

I know the Britt part. That seems like a no brainer with where we are in our WR recruiting. Should at least promise to give him a shot and go from there. But I thought the general thinking was that he isn't a WR and will end up back at S.
 

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Don't need to read and besides, I am too old to weep. Stop trying to hang this one on me. Since CDM was announced I have been the most consistent poster here on the subject of his recruiting: he ain't any good at it. I laid out the only path that CDM could follow that would get him and us to the top: create a happy environment, win on the field, and develop players in the hope that slow improvement gradually gets the program recruiting for itself.
Now that hope remains viable, though barely. His recruiting class must be better than last year's. P. S. He needs better facilities in the worst possible way.
 

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Don't need to read and besides, I am too old to weep. Stop trying to hang this one on me. Since CDM was announced I have been the most consistent poster here on the subject of his recruiting: he ain't any good at it. I laid out the only path that CDM could follow that would get him and us to the top: create a happy environment, win on the field, and develop players in the hope that slow improvement gradually gets the program recruiting for itself.
Now that hope remains viable, though barely. His recruiting class must be better than last year's. P. S. He needs better facilities in the worst possible way.

I worry about that because much like recruiting convincing the administration how bad the facilities are needed it being salesperson. If he is got great at one type of saleperson, makes me wonder if he also isn't that great at the other part of being a salesperson.
 

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are you serious? there will be a hundred more people trying to explain it away. claim we did fine. claiming there's this new offense where you don't need running backs or wide receivers. (There is of course called 2016 Cowbell.)

it's not like this is new. we've signed garbage wide receiver classes and garbage running back classes for three years in a row.

and garbage linebacker classes. and garbage safety classes. and 2 years of garbage DT classes.

A good-but-not-great line class this year doesn't offset that.

Is this coaching staff only able to do one thing at a time? Why?

Noise in the system's exactly what fixes the **** eventually, although I think this is not going to be fixed until after the Georgia game in 2021.

I really reached you. :lol2:

I am not disputing your main points. Yesterday was disappointing. At several positions, we did not address our needs, especially given who we are (or were) and most especially if we plan to catch Corndog, the Humpers and the other programs we're looking up at like Clemmy, the Bucknuts and Bammer.

But we did get a lot better and deeper along the line of scrimmage. AR might be special, especially in Mullen's offense and with the benefit of improving line play (run blocking can't get much worse, right?). And it does seem to me as if Mullen is making progress building the relationships that are crucial to successful, top-tier recruiting. Is this "progress" a lot slower than we'd all like? Certainly.

My point was that it's not all doom and gloom. Am I happy with where we are? No. But Rome wasn't built in a day - or even 3 recruiting cycles. Tap the brakes on the negativity - just a bit - is all I ask.

And dammit, I swore when I made that last post I was not going to get pulled in to a back and forth with you... :lol:
 
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