The Best Handgun Caliber - A Real World Study

[Swamp Donkey]

I guess people sometimes refer to them as "Truck guns" which makes no sense to me. Carrying in a truck or any vehicle for that matter a sidearm is still going to be easier to access from a holster or your console and give you better control of the weapon.....

Truck gun is a kind of country thing, often a western country thing. Farmers or ranchers keeping a rifle (usually) on hand to deal with a predator or even injured animal (cow in the cow grate etc).

It's hard to imagine someone actually leaving a gun in their car these days. Pretty foolish. Someplaces that don't allow handguns, maybe a truck gun substitutes.

Agree with the rest.

doesn't even have a breaching choke should I decide to gouge someones eye out....

 

[ThreatMatrix]

I imagine the Shockwave would be perfect as long as you took some time to practice using it. It certainly can’t be handled by someone who is small framed. A laser would go a long ways to improving accuracy assuming you can turn it on quickly.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I imagine the Shockwave would be perfect as long as you took some time to practice using it. It certainly can’t be handled by someone who is small framed. A laser would go a long ways to improving accuracy assuming you can turn it on quickly.

anything you can do without a stock, you can do much, much better with a stock.

Shoot from the hip is for bad 70s and 80s tv shows.

 

[ThreatMatrix]

anything you can do without a stock, you can do much, much better with a stock.

Shoot from the hip is for bad 70s and 80s tv shows.

Yeah you don't want to shoot them from your hip except for fun. Though a laser would help if you did. You hold them up (away from your face) and look down the sites. A practiced grip for sure.

 

[Gatormac2112]

I know how some scoff at “tacticool” and I’m not into that at all, but I really like the short barrel and high capacity of the Kel-Tec KSG. Does anybody have any experience with it, good or bad.....opinions?

 

[Pablos Tunnel]

Shotguns are fine, no doubt, but at across the room distances as shotgun is a rifle. The shot will be basically a single projectile.

You still have to train and know what your doing, no matter what Joe Biden says.

Fu(k Joe Biden

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Get good with what ya got

"amateurs talk hardware, professionals talk software."

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I know how some scoff at “tacticool” and I’m not into that at all, but I really like the short barrel and high capacity of the Kel-Tec KSG. Does anybody have any experience with it, good or bad.....opinions?

yes, it's garbage, or I should say it was back in 2012 or so. No clue if theyve fixed it.

Also, technically, it isn't a "short barrel", it is a "short overall length" with a normal 18.5 inch barrel.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

Damn....bumped thread makes me wanna break out old Smokey......

 

[Gatormac2112]

yes, it's garbage.

Maybe the single tube version will be somewhat reliable.

Also, technically, it isn't a "short barrel", it is a "short overall length" with a normal 18.5 inch barrel.

Have you used one or just reporting what youve heard? I havent read anything about reliability or feeding problems

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Have you used one or just reporting what youve heard? I havent read anything about reliability or feeding problems

Ive shot them myself while it was being tested. The tube selector switch thing is garbage, not very positive and hard to use w gloves. It would be just as hard under stress. The saying is when a noncombat hardened person is under stress it is basically like wearing mittens due to adrenaline. The standard teaching style is to teach techniques teach gross motor skills (versus fine motor skills) for that reason. All in all, there is a reason no professionals use KSG.

KSG is also very heavy, even worse loaded w 12 rounds. Im not a fan of bullpups in general because they just feel clunky and poorly balanced to me. Pretty much all bullpups have triggers which are just atrocious, but obviously that matters less for a shotgun.

There is a new single tube model that might be interesting KS7- KelTec if you are deadset on a Keltec.

Another option if you MUST have a bullpups. Home and that one is reversible if you decide you dont like it, just make it back into a traditional shotgun. Probably less expensive too and if you decide bullpup isnt for you, just swap it back to normal shotgun config.

Id I have to shoot one ALOT, like at least hundreds of rounds, before Id trust it.

I like the concept of a higher capacity shotgun but I think 12 gauge isn't the answer. I'd like to see something like a shortened 20 gauge to get the weight down on the ammo and the bulk down on any magazine or tube.

Personally Id just stick w an 870 or 500 w a compact stock for house use.

Tacticoll COULD be an issue, and this shouldn't really be a concern but in many jurisdictions, unfortunately, it is. How mean, nasty, and tactical your gun looks may affect criminal charging decisions. it could also potentially affect the way a jury looks at you if you did have to go to trial. Some attorneys say to get a plain Jane shotgun that looks like the squirrel/rabbit gun that grandpa had for that reason. or even paint your black nylon stock brown etc.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

Personally Id just stick w an 870 or 500 w a compact stock for house use.

I don't think I'd ever use a defensive shotgun without a stock for several reason. One is a solid shoulder and cheek weld for accuracy(you can get very quick with dry practice) and so that the shotgun cycles properly(pump or auto) decreasing the chance of jamming. Another being able to reacquire targets for follow up shots if needed(muzzle rise on a12 gauge is real).

Nothing against that cool looking large capacity gun but being familiar with what you have practiced with(everything from safety, slide release location to sighting and balance feel)would probably make your critical rounds(1st 2 or 3)more effective.

870's and 500's are reliable and easy to operate. LEO's and military have proven it for many years.

 

[Gatormac2112]

Awesome, thanks for the info guys

 

[Swamp Donkey]

would probably make your critical rounds(1st 2 or 3)more effective.

it's a great point. you have to search long and hard even through law enforcement shootings to find examples of a cop needing to reload his shotgun.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Awesome, thanks for the info guys

Mossberg SA-20 Tactical 20 Gauge Shotgun

I forgot to add that gun should also be on the list of top picks. Great gun and is also sold as the Weatherby SA-08.

The hard part is finding one these days.

 

[Concrete Helmet]

it's a great point. you have to search long and hard even through law enforcement shootings to find examples of a cop needing to reload his shotgun.

I think in a home defense situation the likelihood is even less if the shooter is accurate. I may be wrong but I think most home defense situations happen at 20 feet or less. Even in the event of a 2nd or 3rd intruder their mostly likely gonna flee if you put one into the mid mass of their buddy.....if not the 870 tactical has 6+1 and the Mossberg 7+1.....I like my odds of them leaving at that point....or if it is the Zombie invasion at least giving me cover to get to the stash....

 

[G8trwood]

Marlin 1894 357. :)

 

[Detroitgator]

"amateurs talk hardware, professionals talk software."

Honest answer is, "whatever one I have when I need one"

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Honest answer is, "whatever one I have when I need one"

it's pretty easy to admit that sights or preferably an optic are more important to me that what particular gun as my eyes get old

 

[G8trwood]

Light is imperative, I can’t see as well and get scared in the dark. Seriously though, bad shyt happens wen people don’t know what they are shooting at.