Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash

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Very sad if true. Kobe is/was a great player and seemed like a really fine person. Condolences to friends and family of all who lost their lives. RIP.

Somehow people forgot his say not so fine activities. Now he was a great bball player, and in retirement seemed to be doing some good.

That said I find it somewhat disturbing that his life is considered so more important than say the others on this flight, those killed in other accidents, and even some who just died.

I believe that it shows how much our culture values such individuals, more than say regular people and way more than say someone who made a larger impact on the world.

Just saying!!!
 

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Somehow people forgot his say not so fine activities. Now he was a great bball player, and in retirement seemed to be doing some good.

That said I find it somewhat disturbing that his life is considered so more important than say the others on this flight, those killed in other accidents, and even some who just died.

I believe that it shows how much our culture values such individuals, more than say regular people and way more than say someone who made a larger impact on the world.

Just saying!!!

I think that’s probably always been true. Today it’s celebrities. In other eras and places it was/is nobility and other figures of note, exceptional for one reason or another and flawed as we all are. Interesting to consider such things that bind us together yet affect us each differently or not at all.

I very rarely watch even part of an NBA game, but felt sorrow as the news rolled out about Kobe, then his daughters and the others killed in this accident. God bless and keep them all.
 

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You’ve made me rethink the merits of the RIP Law thread. Just another dead lawyer.
Without doubt.

The good news is Im going to out live you, but, if not, Id expect, at most, for you to drink a shot of whatever while thinking "fvkk that guy" and "go gators".
 
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I understand the outpouring. He was a very talented and popular athlete. Arnold Palmer's death yielded similar national/world-wide feelings. We do this for people who have done extraordinary things on the biggest stages. We all have skeletons that hopefully aren't what define us in our lives. In the end death comes for us all and what remains are the impacts we made on this side.
 

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I believe that it shows how much our culture values such individuals, more than say regular people and way more than say someone who made a larger impact on the world.

I know we all hesitate to make value judgments on people's lives, but you can't ignore reality that he was more valuable to society. This is not even a reflection on modern society, but the entire nature of humanity. Unlike nearly everyone else to have ever lived, he impacted millions. I was never a Kobe fan and think the outpouring, like it typically is immediately following a tragic death, whitewashes all bad deeds and makes everyone recently passed a saint, the best father, mentor, leader, etc. Regardless of the over-reaction to his personal traits, from a value/importance perspective, very few people in world history are known throughout the world during their lifetimes. He was one of those very rare few even if the basis was his seemingly trivial ability to jump and hit a jumpshot.

I understand the outpouring. He was a very talented and popular athlete. Arnold Palmer's death yielded similar national/world-wide feelings. We do this for people who have done extraordinary things on the biggest stages. We all have skeletons that hopefully aren't what define us in our lives. In the end death comes for us all and what remains are the impacts we made on this side.

As always, very well said C2.
 

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but you can't ignore reality that he was more valuable to society. .
This is windowlicking stupid.

Well known is not valuable. Without him nothing changes. He didnt save a single life. Didnt invent anything.

Startruck nitwits would just argue about some other guy who bounced a ball, sang or whatever.

The teacher at school, the Marine, the cop and firefighter on your block, the ER doc and nurse, they are all FAR more valuable than the Kobe Bryants or Kim Kardashians of the world.

And those guys didnt rape.
 

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This is windowlicking stupid.

Well known is not valuable. Without him nothing changes. He didnt save a single life. Didnt invent anything.

Startruck nitwits would just argue about some other guy who bounced a ball, sang or whatever.

The teacher at school, the Marine, the cop and firefighter on your block, the ER doc and nurse, they are all FAR more valuable than the Kobe Bryants or Kim Kardashians of the world.

And those guys didnt rape.

We may wish that all those people you mentioned were more valuable, but they weren't. Of all people to be able to see the cold reality, I'm surprised a bit by your sappy, unrealistic view.

To specific individuals directly impacted by a teacher, saved by a DR or marine, those people absolutely were (or should have been) more value, but on the scale of someone as well known, and great at his very popular event, it's just not true. You and I may not have been motivated one bit by Kobe, but tens of thousands (or more) people were motivated by him. Plus, to completely downplay the role of athletes in impacting communities, as well as families that watch together, by winning and sharing that potential greatness, is intentionally being ignorant to make your point that we should value other things more. Perhaps we should, but we don't. There is a reason he is getting all this attention for his passing and others that die daily in various crashes/accidents do not. It is not a political agenda (as the John Lennon, Arnold Palmer or Payne Stewart analogies would reveal), it is just reality (as is his bank account) of who was more valuable in the larger societal sense (not some religious, gates of heaven, who was a "better person" in the eyes of god assessment).

Also, using your analogy of how would the entire world be different without him, without 1 specific teacher or 1 specific cop, firefighter etc, does the whole world change? Would there not be another teacher, just like there would be another basketball player? If not, then we would pay more until there was a replacement teacher. Whereas, Kobe changes entire history books by winning championships for a particular city that impacts millions. He was so famous because he was not so simply replaceable. Sure, some other city would win and cause the impact somewhere else, but that is not what happened. It was Kobe winning and scoring all those points. It was his death that had people all over LA flooding streets crying. I didn't shed a tear, but I can't deny that so many others did because he was important to them.
 

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We may wish that all those people you mentioned were more valuable, but they weren't. Of all people to be able to see the cold reality, I'm surprised a bit by your sappy, unrealistic view.

To specific individuals directly impacted by a teacher, saved by a DR or marine, those people absolutely were (or should have been) more value, but on the scale of someone as well known, and great at his very popular event, it's just not true. You and I may not have been motivated one bit by Kobe, but tens of thousands (or more) people were motivated by him. Plus, to completely downplay the role of athletes in impacting communities, as well as families that watch together, by winning and sharing that potential greatness, is intentionally being ignorant to make your point that we should value other things more. Perhaps we should, but we don't. There is a reason he is getting all this attention for his passing and others that die daily in various crashes/accidents do not. It is not a political agenda (as the John Lennon, Arnold Palmer or Payne Stewart analogies would reveal), it is just reality (as is his bank account) of who was more valuable in the larger societal sense (not some religious, gates of heaven, who was a "better person" in the eyes of god assessment).

Also, using your analogy of how would the entire world be different without him, without 1 specific teacher or 1 specific cop, firefighter etc, does the whole world change? Would there not be another teacher, just like there would be another basketball player? If not, then we would pay more until there was a replacement teacher. Whereas, Kobe changes entire history books by winning championships for a particular city that impacts millions. He was so famous because he was not so simply replaceable. Sure, some other city would win and cause the impact somewhere else, but that is not what happened. It was Kobe winning and scoring all those points. It was his death that had people all over LA flooding streets crying. I didn't shed a tear, but I can't deny that so many others did because he was important to them.

Well hell, Michael Jackson, did more good for the world......
 

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Californication.

Bring on the clowns.

These are jesters in the kings court. Nothing more.

People will forget him in a few months and move on to the next jester.
 

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I know we all hesitate to make value judgments on people's lives, but you can't ignore reality that he was more valuable to society. This is not even a reflection on modern society, but the entire nature of humanity. Unlike nearly everyone else to have ever lived, he impacted millions. I was never a Kobe fan and think the outpouring, like it typically is immediately following a tragic death, whitewashes all bad deeds and makes everyone recently passed a saint, the best father, mentor, leader, etc. Regardless of the over-reaction to his personal traits, from a value/importance perspective, very few people in world history are known throughout the world during their lifetimes. He was one of those very rare few even if the basis was his seemingly trivial ability to jump and hit a jumpshot.



As always, very well said C2.

Actually I can ignore the fk out of it because that total BS. I have no ill will toward Kobe at all, he was a tremendous athlete and seems that many had nothing but respect for him. But he made it to the place he was due to this countries absolute god like worship of superstar athletes. So you tell me who served who the best? He was damn lucky to have lived in a country that allows great athletes to become multi-millionaires. I have as much if not more sympathy for the people that are left to suffer for those 2 kids that were killed and an entire family that was wiped out.
 

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Los Angeles Police Department spokesman Josh Rubenstein said the department's Air Support Division grounded its helicopters Sunday morning due to foggy conditions and didn't fly until later in the afternoon.

"The weather situation did not meet our minimum standards for flying," Rubenstein said, adding that the fog "was enough that we were not flying."
 

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I know we all hesitate to make value judgments on people's lives, but you can't ignore reality that he was more valuable to society. This is not even a reflection on modern society, but the entire nature of humanity. Unlike nearly everyone else to have ever lived, he impacted millions. I was never a Kobe fan and think the outpouring, like it typically is immediately following a tragic death, whitewashes all bad deeds and makes everyone recently passed a saint, the best father, mentor, leader, etc. Regardless of the over-reaction to his personal traits, from a value/importance perspective, very few people in world history are known throughout the world during their lifetimes. He was one of those very rare few even if the basis was his seemingly trivial ability to jump and hit a jumpshot.



As always, very well said C2.
Value to society? In what world do we live that a basketball player is a value to society? This is part of the problem in our society. I understand he probably helped a few thousand people to go down a different path in life but that does not make him valuable. When your local Dr or police officer, firefighter, or military personnel dies that's the real valuable members of society. Theose men and woman risk their lives to help others. Basketball players do nothing but inspire and entertain for millions of dollars Life would no different if Kobe never played a minute of basketball in his life. I'm 100% with the 1st comment that you responded to. Every life should be considered valuable not just 1 because he was a famous athlete.

With all that said I was a fan of Kobe on and off the court. I wish his wife and family nothing but the best going forward in these hard times and I pray Kobe was right with the Lord and is watching down on his family. RIP
 

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Without doubt.

The good news is Im going to out live you, but, if not, Id expect, at most, for you to drink a shot of whatever while thinking "fvkk that guy" and "go gators".

I wouldn’t bet on me.
 

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Los Angeles Police Department spokesman Josh Rubenstein said the department's Air Support Division grounded its helicopters Sunday morning due to foggy conditions and didn't fly until later in the afternoon.

"The weather situation did not meet our minimum standards for flying," Rubenstein said, adding that the fog "was enough that we were not flying."

It’s almost assuredly gonna be what I feared the minute I saw that crash scene pic yesterday. The pilot became disoriented, made a last-ditch effort to avert disaster, and in the process made the crash all the worse.

The craft was moving at 184 mph at the point of impact. Aviation experts, isn’t that pretty much hauling ass in a helicopter traveling over a relatively high-density urban area? Or was the speed simply a function of the dive?
 

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I don't know who the pilot was, but it was one dumb decision to fly and he should have known better.
 

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