Recruiting NSD 2020 Thread: Zach Evans goes to TCU

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Two things, no idea who would’ve been a better hire at the time. It’s not my job to know every up and coming coach. That said, I would still love to have seen what Frost could have done here. His whole staff was geared toward the State of Florida and he was a huge name in state. We would’ve gotten enough talent to run his system.

And yes we are way behind on talent. Think about recruits as chicks. A 4* is anywhere from a 7 to a 9. I don’t think anyone is going to scoff at a 7. But a 7 is not a 9, and the top programs are pulling 8s, 9s, and 10s. So you can look past the extra 5lbs, or the crooked tooth, because you’re banging her, but you’re behind on talent.
 

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And yes we are way behind on talent. Think about recruits as chicks. A 4* is anywhere from a 7 to a 9. I don’t think anyone is going to scoff at a 7. But a 7 is not a 9, and the top programs are pulling 8s, 9s, and 10s. So you can look past the extra 5lbs, or the crooked tooth, because you’re banging her, but you’re behind on talent.

Loved this part... wish I could give it more than one like.
 

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Two things, no idea who would’ve been a better hire at the time. It’s not my job to know every up and coming coach. That said, I would still love to have seen what Frost could have done here. His whole staff was geared toward the State of Florida and he was a huge name in state. We would’ve gotten enough talent to run his system.

And yes we are way behind on talent. Think about recruits as chicks. A 4* is anywhere from a 7 to a 9. I don’t think anyone is going to scoff at a 7. But a 7 is not a 9, and the top programs are pulling 8s, 9s, and 10s. So you can look past the extra 5lbs, or the crooked tooth, because you’re banging her, but you’re behind on talent.

Frost's staff wasn't and still isn't cut out for P5 coaching. I think so far that has shown with what little he has done at Nebraska.

I just don't see what you're seeing when you say we're so far behind on talent. I agree that we lack the elite of the elite that would put us over top but each year that BC% is going upwards and that means our depth is getting better which in turn means that we're getting closer. Georgia can't go anywhere as they're already at the top of the game in recruiting so each class that our BC% goes up, puts us closer in terms of talent.
 

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See I just don't see it because the Whack 12 is literally that bad. Oregon barely beat Wisconsin who had four turnovers in that game. The same Utah team you're preaching up was blown out 38-10 by Texas. Their only ranked win during the season came against USC who was unranked by the end of the year. In no way is Utah mentioned in the upper echelon teams. You can make the case with Oregon but not Utah.
 

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Gundy has done well but if you want to knock Mullen for recruiting the same has to be said about Gundy.
 

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Frost's staff wasn't and still isn't cut out for P5 coaching. I think so far that has shown with what little he has done at Nebraska.

I just don't see what you're seeing when you say we're so far behind on talent. I agree that we lack the elite of the elite that would put us over top but each year that BC% is going upwards and that means our depth is getting better which in turn means that we're getting closer. Georgia can't go anywhere as they're already at the top of the game in recruiting so each class that our BC% goes up, puts us closer in terms of talent.
Nebraska isn’t UF and it’s worlds apart in so many ways for frost.

If you don’t understand the talent discrepancy, then you’re not even sniffing 7’s
 

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Nebraska isn’t UF and it’s worlds apart in so many ways for frost.

If you don’t understand the talent discrepancy, then you’re not even sniffing 7’s

Again, you're missing my point.

We are missing out on the elite talent but in no way are we so far behind that we can never win. Right now the roster is being built for every 3-4 years we win and maybe have a chance at the SEC champ. That needs improved.

As for Frost, currently Mike Riley had done a better job at Nebraska. Frost needs to improve his staff.
 

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Us and Oregon? Who really knows. I've always heard that Mullen is a better coach than recruiter, and cristobal is a better recruiter than coach.

On your other post, I do think cristobal would have been intriguing. Folks would have a field day with his past, but he can recruit. We will see soon if he has staying power as a coach. I dont buy the idea that gundy would become a recruiter at another school. But he is a good coach. And a Man.
 

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Saban brought only a few of his MSU staff to LSU, he hired several younger guys (Muschamp, Jimbo, Dooley, Pelini) who did not coach at MSU.

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Mullen brought practically his entire MSU staff, which was a big mistake. Brewster is also a former assistant, although a good one (unlike Knox)....and so is Turner (both worked for him at MSU).

This may be a valid comparison to Urban, but Saban sent a plane for his assistants at MSU and the plane returned empty. https://www.si.com/college/2015/12/...saban-was-always-seen-brilliant-football-mind : "When Saban left for LSU at age 49, he famously sent a plane back to Michigan to pick up any assistants who wanted to join him. Nobody got on it. They stayed in East Lansing to work under his former assistant, Bobby Williams. For many observers, there was an easy and obvious conclusion: They never wanted to work for the guy again." I guess without the titles, he was just an a-hole, but with the titles he is seen (rightly) as college Belichek and people work for peanuts to be around him.

On the other pissing contest, I agree with the Frost sentiment and no Nebraska does not demonstrate anything to me (and it is ironic that many here who point to Fail State as evidence of Mullen's success are the same ones that ignore Nebraska's limitations - both are legit). Circumstances matter for qb's, coaches, and pretty much everyone. Just one more example we all hear frequently - If Drew Breeze goes to the Dolphins, maybe Nickie never goes to Bama. Culpepper as QB is a different circumstance and it did not flourish. I have not seen evidence Frost would not flourish at UF, and while he definitely has a lower floor than Mullen (which is the Sofla reason he thought Mullen was needed now, i.e. can't risk another failure), he has a higher ceiling (and I'm more risk accepting in this regard to try for championships).
 

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I have not seen evidence Frost would not flourish at UF, and while he definitely has a lower floor than Mullen (which is the Sofla reason he thought Mullen was needed now, i.e. can't risk another failure), he has a higher ceiling (and I'm more risk accepting in this regard to try for championships).

I have also not seen any evidence that says Frost would flourish here nor have I seen any evidence that he has a higher ceiling.
 

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I have not seen evidence Frost would not flourish at UF, and while he definitely has a lower floor than Mullen (which is the Sofla reason he thought Mullen was needed now, i.e. can't risk another failure), he has a higher ceiling (and I'm more risk accepting in this regard to try for championships).

I agree with statement. I wasn't and I'm not the biggest Frost fan, but floor was much lower for him than Mullen, but with Frost's resume the ceiling was higher as well.
 

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I agree with statement. I wasn't and I'm not the biggest Frost fan, but floor was much lower for him than Mullen, but with Frost's resume the ceiling was higher as well.

I don't allow G5 success to cloud my judgement and declare someone to have a higher ceiling. IF that's your tool for benchmarking coaches than you should believe Mike Norvell is going to kill it at FSU and I dont
 

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I don't allow G5 success to cloud my judgement and declare someone to have a higher ceiling. IF that's your tool for benchmarking coaches than you should believe Mike Norvell is going to kill it at FSU and I dont

I'm judging on his whole experience.
Played offense for Stanford and Nebraska
Played Defense for 5 years across 4 teams, with some good NFL coaches (Parcells, Gruden)
Rose through the ranks coaching both offense and defense including two years being an OC of a dynamic offense (obviously against Pac-12 compeitition)
Being the head coach of UCF with talent that should be much better most of his competition is more suited or a organization like Florida than Nebraska where he will have middle of the pack and lower talent against the competition.

I wasn't on the Frost band wagon, but the potential is obvious, but so is the possibility that it would completely implode (risk/reward).
 

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.... I dont buy the idea that gundy would become a recruiter at another school. But he is a good coach. And a Man.
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I have also not seen any evidence that says Frost would flourish here nor have I seen any evidence that he has a higher ceiling.

No evidence? Peach Bowl v top 7 Auburn with UCF talent? UCF vs. Auburn - Game Summary - January 1, 2018 - ESPN

Arguably he would not flourish, thus my lower floor remark. But "no evidence" he has a higher ceiling is silly. Perhaps no definitive proof, to which I'd say stop posting if that is your standard since the question asked for a hypothetical (who else would you have hired/how would they do). To respond by implying the flaw is lack of proof because that hypo hasn't occured is not responding at all- of course it hasn't or it wouldn't be a hypo.


I don't allow G5 success to cloud my judgement and declare someone to have a higher ceiling. IF that's your tool for benchmarking coaches than you should believe Mike Norvell is going to kill it at FSU and I dont

Ooooooh K

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No evidence? Peach Bowl v top 7 Auburn with UCF talent? UCF vs. Auburn - Game Summary - January 1, 2018 - ESPN

Arguably he would not flourish, thus my lower floor remark. But "no evidence" he has a higher ceiling is silly. Perhaps no definitive proof, to which I'd say stop posting if that is your standard since the question asked for a hypothetical (who else would you have hired/how would they do). To respond by implying the flaw is lack of proof because that hypo hasn't occured is not responding at all- of course it hasn't or it wouldn't be a hypo.




Ooooooh K

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Let's be clear about one thing...Urban Meyer had success at multiple stops and everyone, I mean EVERYONE knew he was the next great coach. Frost had literally two years at UCF, one in which he was 6-7.

As for the Peach Bowl, a motivated G5 team will almost always beat an unmotivated P5 team, i.e. Utah vs Bama in '08. 9 times out of 10, Bama wins that game and same with Auburn. So far, Frostee hasn't won over 5 games at Nebraska and in case you forgot, they were picked to win the Big 10 West this year.

Wake me up when Scott wins something and not being blown out by any good team in a P5 conference.
 

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So many naive things are said on here. One of them is pointing to UCF vs Auburn as any great accomplishment by UCF.
Another is that Mullen turned a 4 win team into a 10 win team.
 

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