Mullinz in Shambles, Gets Beaten by Chump Who Didn't Score an Offensive TD, 2006 Gators vs Barn

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Boss made me laugh out loud :lol:


That’s NOT NICE Durty.

We do not laugh at kids like Boss. It’s cruel and you should know better. He can’t help the way he is. God made him different, that’s all.

It’s OK Boss. Durty was only kidding. He didn’t mean anything by it. Want a lollipop?


Alex.
 

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Missing the point again. The use of that play trended downward throughout the season - 1 time that was successful is not a bad thing.

But looking at the 1 our of 3: Lets say we have 3 4th & 1 attempts in game. We run 1 QB Power, 1 throw out of a spread (using that, bc I remember the one vs uga) and 1 normal run. And those get us to 53rd in the country. I look at that and think that we didn't adjust to our strengths. We should never run a Power with Trask and throwing out of an empty is such a low % play that we're only using it, bc we don't have a better option. Again, nobody would look at that play group and say that we'd adjusted. Maybe the 1 of 3 4th down attempts isn't representative? Very possible.

We used it multiple times in other, earlier games then it tailed off as the season went along. Trask’s rushes fell too.

So I'm really not trying to be a smart ass here, but what you just typed goes to my point. Both Perine and Trask know what pre-snap #s would allow a run. I'm guessing, with Trask being such a bad runner and our receivers being so good, that it was a -1 by the fsu game. That means that if we line up in an 11 (1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WRs) they have to be in a dime for them to be thinking run pre-snap. Only other thing that could havppen would be a crazy blitz or shift, but fsu wasn't running anything close to that. Thats why, even if there was no playcalling adjustment, that Trask/Perine can make it window dressing; they knew it was a pass, bc we'd throw to Pitts with a guy draped on him before Trask ran even if the 1st level had cleared.

Now, to decide if it's an adjustment issue, you have to discuss the negatives of RPOs. Bc it's an RPO, which is a slower developing play, there is only 1 quick pass option. So if that guy is pressed, then we're running an RPO with no run threat and no quick pass option. That usually isn't an issue since pressing usually moves the safety (I.E. rarely press outside with a +1 in the box), which would make it a run. That's largely what mullen's scheme is based on and will be starting in 2021. Bc its an RPO, we also can't get as creative with our pass blocking, Trask can't try to move a DB with his eyes immediately, etc. There are drawbacks to RPOs, which is why everyone doesn't run them. So if you are running an RPO with basically no run option, window dressing or not, then you're simply running a pass play with drawbacks.
How does that make your point? We were forcing that play at first and it turned into window dressing later. Is your point that this was always player driven? I just do not see it. How much latitude was Trask given for checking out of plays? With today’s tech, I am guessing not much. Plays probably came from the box based on alignment, generally.

To really dissect this, we would need to chart the plays throughout the season. For instance, on that first drive, only three of the plays were even RPO looks. Considering donk continues to claim that we do that every play and only pass horizontally, I would assume that means we adjusted to the players - including to find a running game because the coaches knew that under center was the only viable option since Trask running consistently was not working. It’s why the offense looked so much different when EJ was in. They called different plays - over, as some would say, they adjusted ;).
 

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- including to find a running game because the coaches knew that under center was the only viable option since Trask running consistently was not working. It’s why the offense looked so much different when EJ was in. They called different plays - over, as some would say, they adjusted ;).
No they didnt, EJ just read keep when the DE crashed, as he should, and Trash gave anyway.

Under center? When did you see that? No more than 1-2% of the plays and mostly 3rd and short. Honestly, Id love to see under center almost all the time, running conventional run plays, with a fullback.

Look, trust me on this, I know your not an Xs and Os guy, @cover2 help me, if you rewatch the games and see the backside DE unblocked, it was an option. Whether we gave the ball to the HB or threw a screen,.it was an option.

Some seem to think option is only old GT or Nebraska. 80% of our runs, at least, were options. At least 50% of our passes were (lower at the end of the year).

fwiw I fully expect him to return to form, back to almost 100% option, next year. he always does. if he adjusts, it will be very late again, like November.
 
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No they didnt, EJ just read keep when the DE crashed, as he should, and Trash gave anyway.

Under center? When did you see that? No more than 1-2% of the plays and mostly 3rd and short. Honestly, Id love to see under center almost all the time, running conventional run plays, with a fullback.

Look, trust me on this, I know your not an Xs and Os guy, @cover2 help me, if you rewatch the games and see the backside DE unblocked, it was an option. Whether we gave the ball to the HB or threw a screen,.it was an option.

Some seem to think option is only old GT or Nebraska. 80% of our runs, at least, were options. At least 50% of our passes were (lower at the end of the year).

fwiw I fully expect him to return to form, back to almost 100% option, next year. he always does. if he adjusts, it will be very late again, like November.
Law’s correct. The DE is the key in a read option. If he squeezes on the OT inside release, the “read” becomes “keep.” If the DE squats/feathers/slow plays, the read becomes “give.” How long the QB is able to “ride” the back can make the DE commit to the give and open the keep. I don’t think the issue with Trask is his reads as much as it is his lack of foot speed. Even so, he usually doesn’t get stoned on these plays, but the gains are often minimal. It is a better change of pace play than a threat. EJ is obviously far more dangerous in this role because of his speed and athleticism.

I was out of coaching when the advent of the rpo came about, but there are similarities in the reads for that and the read options. Basically, you are forcing the defender to commit to a decision to either play run or coverage; QB attacks whichever option is not defended. Speed and accuracy of the read is paramount.
 

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Law’s correct. The DE is the key in a read option. If he squeezes on the OT inside release, the “read” becomes “keep.” If the DE squats/feathers/slow plays, the read becomes “give.” How long the QB is able to “ride” the back can make the DE commit to the give and open the keep. I don’t think the issue with Trask is his reads as much as it is his lack of foot speed. Even so, he usually doesn’t get stoned on these plays, but the gains are often minimal. It is a better change of pace play than a threat. EJ is obviously far more dangerous in this role because of his speed and athleticism.

I was out of coaching when the advent of the rpo came about, but there are similarities in the reads for that and the read options. Basically, you are forcing the defender to commit to a decision to either play run or coverage; QB attacks whichever option is not defended. Speed and accuracy of the read is paramount.
Law is mistaken. I understand how the RPO works. My point was the frequency of use of RPO when the two QBs were in. Rewatching the FSU game showed less RPO, including window dressing plays, for Trask than had been earlier in the season.

This discussion can not be settled without charting play types for each game but if FSU was any indication, the playcalling adjusted throughout the season due to Trask’s constraints. When EJ was in, the playcalling reverted back to what we would expect out of Mullen. That is the point I have been making.
 

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Rewatching the FSU game showed .
Yes, there were some changes made in the playcalling during the clown town game. Even the commentator mentioned it, and said the coaches asked Mullinz why he kept running all the plays that didnt work.

That was- what--game 25 or so? And game 8 or so w Trash.

Wanna bet what we are doing in game 1 next year? Back to Mullinz ball.
 
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Yes, there were some changes made in the playvalling during the clown town game. Even the commentator mentioned it, and said the coaches asked Mullinz why he kept running all the plays that didnt work.

That was- what--game 25 or so? And game 8 or so w Trash.

Wanna bet what we are doing in game 1 next year? Back to Mullinz ball.
Better late than never... and still shows adjustment :lmao2:
 

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