Mullen backs Grantham: Players are the problem

[Durty South Swamp]

Its going to be hard for me to watch next season of fathead todd is still there. That is a fact. I will root for them and never root against them, but it is going to be hard.

With that said, I see a small glimmer of hope in this quote from Dan. And if he ends of canning Grantham after the bowl my opinion of Dan will change 10 fold because it will show that he truly is a caniving muthafugga who will do and say things that are necessary to get the program to the next level.

"It’s very easy to point and say, 'Defense bad, we have to change everything,'" Mullen said. "Or you look at what the issues are. It’s like, hey, if my wrist hurts I don’t just cut off my arm. Let’s go figure out what the problem is. If I have to cut my arm I cut my arm, but that’s not where I’m starting. We’ve got to evaluate every aspect of it after the season, see where we’re at and go from there."

sounds like coach speak to me, but agree, if he actually makes obvious and impactful change it will go a long way towards restoring faith in him.

 

[rogdochar]

I would respectfully suggest that butters was the anal leakage.

Butters was a dire rear spreader. Used his bang stick on a shark.

 

[Spurdog98]

Yeah, when has Saban ever bent to player sentiment...
Nick Saban, Alabama players hold protest march on campus

o_O

Fruit vs Vegetables. Let one of his players throw a shoe and cost them a shot at a natty and see if he is team capt next game

 

[neteng]

sounds like coach speak to me, but agree, if he actually makes obvious and impactful change it will go a long way towards restoring faith in him.

I went a loooong way to restore faith in your mom last night :D

 

[Durty South Swamp]

I went a loooong way to restore faith in your mom last night :D

She implied as much this morning when she said that the little fella you call "faith" still has a long way to go.

 

[rogdochar]

Butters was a dire rear spreader. Used his bang stick on a shark.

Boy did that explode!

 

[cover2]

@Durty South Swamp

Spurrier to Marco (if he was the HC) after pulling him...”It’s not your fault Marco, it’s my fault. I never should’ve put you in there!”

That’s kinda what he told Danny onetime early on after yanking him. What Mullen should’ve done a while back. Instead, we’ve been treated to this every week...



Things are different these days, I don’t necessarily agree, but I get it. There’s a difference in giving the players a voice and letting them f up without accountability. Then there’s this whole thing attributed to Mullen of giving Grantham a pass while seemingly blaming our defensive problems on the players. I’m not sure exactly what Dan stands for as a head coach?

 

[Durty South Swamp]

@Durty South Swamp

Spurrier to Marco (if he was the HC) after pulling him...”It’s not your fault Marco, it’s my fault. I never should’ve put you in there!”

That’s kinda what he told Danny onetime early on after yanking him. What Mullen should’ve done a while back. Instead, we’ve been treated to this every week...

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Things are different these days, I don’t necessarily agree, but I get it. There’s a difference in giving the players a voice and letting them f up without accountability. Then there’s this whole thing attributed to Mullen of giving Grantham a pass while seemingly blaming our defensive problems on the players. I’m not sure exactly what Dan stands for as a head coach?

Between this and things such as marching in solidarity with the players over... what exactly, none of us really knows. I think it's pretty clear he doesn't stand for much at all.

I also have no issues with players "having a voice" but the loudest voice needs to be the HC. And when the HC's voice and the players' voice are in competition, then the player should know his place, bite his lip and take care of his business.

 

[gardnerwebbgator]

I don't see Saban or Dabowden giving out cookies and participation awards.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

I don't see Saban or Dabowden giving out cookies and participation awards.

megan giving out free french kisses.

 

[cover2]

Between this and things such as marching in solidarity with the players over... what exactly, none of us really knows. I think it's pretty clear he doesn't stand for much at all.

I also have no issues with players "having a voice" but the loudest voice needs to be the HC. And when the HC's voice and the players' voice are in competition, then the player should know his place, bite his lip and take care of his business.

I’d like to think this is all some passing fancy, a national bandwagon jumped upon in the midst of political and social unrest, but we’ve all seen too many head coaches and prominent players capitulate when pressed by the mob. The more you give up, the more they want. I hate seeing our Gators in this light, but it’s pretty much the majority of football, hell, organized sports these days. I don’t know if they’ll eventually kill college football, but they’re killing it for folks like me who believe the game and what a team works for comes first and foremost.

 

[lagator]

Yes.

Urbs had a guy at captain who was arrested for felony B&E the week before LSU in 2007.

Urbs "stripped him of captain" (it took literally a felony charge), but he damn sure played. He also probably murdered his wife, but that was much later and I digress. I'm betting you remember at least part of the story, but in case you don't.

Football vs LSU on 10/6/2007 - Box Score - Florida Gators

2007 Florida Gators football team - Wikipedia

There's plenty of incidences of Saban doing similar things, especially with legal trouble. I don't pay enough attention to Clemson, but I'd imagine it is the same with him.

From a coaching perspective it's a pretty terrible situation to have a player who is a downgrade at a position going into Bama. The horrifying thought is that there is no one better than the **** show that was Wilson this year. (Chew on that for a minute and lose all hope.)

In a situation like this one the coach piling on when the guy that you really have no choice but to play (apparently) has been publicly roasted by both the fan base and parts of the media probably wouldn't have any positive effect on the team. I remember someone painting "Thanks, Dallas Baker" on the 34th street wall after the UT game. The team painted over "we are all a team" or something similar.

Coaches, even the winners, do care about how their decisions play in the locker room. I'm not saying I like it, but I do understand the thinking. I believe I'm on the record as wanting to put Wilson on Grantham's lap and launch them both from a trebuchet.

The difference is one was a win at all costs scumbag, the other a wimpy enabler. Which category do you think wins championships?

 

[Durty South Swamp]

I’d like to think this is all some passing fancy, a national bandwagon jumped upon in the midst of political and social unrest, but we’ve all seen too many head coaches and prominent players capitulate when pressed by the mob. The more you give up, the more they want. I hate seeing our Gators in this light, but it’s pretty much the majority of football, hell, organized sports these days. I don’t know if they’ll eventually kill college football, but they’re killing it for folks like me who believe the game and what a team works for comes first and foremost.

definitely going the way of death by a thousand cuts

 

[Spurdog98]

Yes.

Urbs had a guy at captain who was arrested for felony B&E the week before LSU in 2007.

Urbs "stripped him of captain" (it took literally a felony charge), but he damn sure played. He also probably murdered his wife, but that was much later and I digress. I'm betting you remember at least part of the story, but in case you don't.

Football vs LSU on 10/6/2007 - Box Score - Florida Gators

2007 Florida Gators football team - Wikipedia

There's plenty of incidences of Saban doing similar things, especially with legal trouble. I don't pay enough attention to Clemson, but I'd imagine it is the same with him.

From a coaching perspective it's a pretty terrible situation to have a player who is a downgrade at a position going into Bama. The horrifying thought is that there is no one better than the **** show that was Wilson this year. (Chew on that for a minute and lose all hope.)

In a situation like this one the coach piling on when the guy that you really have no choice but to play (apparently) has been publicly roasted by both the fan base and parts of the media probably wouldn't have any positive effect on the team. I remember someone painting "Thanks, Dallas Baker" on the 34th street wall after the UT game. The team painted over "we are all a team" or something similar.

Coaches, even the winners, do care about how their decisions play in the locker room. I'm not saying I like it, but I do understand the thinking. I believe I'm on the record as wanting to put Wilson on Grantham's lap and launch them both from a trebuchet.

Side note: Mullen was OC.....just saying

 

[5-Star Finger]

Apples and oranges. All of those players could actually play. Wilson may be the worse defensive player we've got..

Unless you believe that the coaches hate winning why on earth would he be on the field if he wasn't better than his back up? I think he's playing because the next guy up is woeful. That's not something I'm happy about, but I think that's the hole in the board's thinking. I'm not sure we've got an abundance of talent and maybe that talent is not being developed by Torrian Gray like we all probably expected.

 

[5-Star Finger]

Cross your fingers peeps!

Gray has not been what I had hoped. Assuming he does not follow Muschamp would you guys want Travaris Robinson back? He could recruit at least.

 

[5-Star Finger]

Side note: Mullen was OC.....just saying

Didn't understand this. Sorry if I'm missing it. Joiner was a safety.

 

[5-Star Finger]

Again, ill ask the question. Name me of the 4 previous coaches mentioned, which one would make excuses for said players in-game behavior, fail to discipline him, and trot him out as the team captain the following week in a championship game? Would spurrier make excuses in the post game presser? Would saban or Urbs? Would Dabo fail to hold him accountable? Would Spurrier name him team captain the following week?

You don't know the answer to this question any more than I do. You're speculating they wouldn't and I'm speculating most would if all the facts were equal given how they have handled other situations. The big assumption you're making is there is someone who isn't even more of a liability on the field than Wilson backing him up. I don't think that's a safe assumption.

If there was an alternative, do you really think it would have taken this to get rid of him? I know we talk about how stupid Grantham is, but he's got eyes and so does Gray who would be making the suggestion to the DC on personnel. I really don't believe he plays if the had an option that wasn't an even bigger cluster**** (before or after the shoe - but certainly not after) I get that you think there is or at least there wouldn't be that big of a drop off. I understand that, I just disagree. But I'm not sure we get to a "right" answer here.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Unless you believe that the coaches hate winning why on earth would he be on the field if he wasn't better than his back up? I think he's playing because the next guy up is woeful. That's not something I'm happy about, but I think that's the hole in the board's thinking. I'm not sure we've got an abundance of talent and maybe that talent is not being developed by Torrian Gray like we all probably expected.

You're a tad touched aren't you?

Exhibit one: Trash and Giraffe
Exhibit two: Dak and Tyler Russell

And those are just the two really damned easy ones that even a waterhead like you or sofla can't ignore.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

You don't know the answer to this question any more than I do. You're speculating they wouldn't and I'm speculating most would if all the facts were equal given how they have handled other situations. The big assumption you're making is there is someone who isn't even more of a liability on the field than Wilson backing him up. I don't think that's a safe assumption.

If there was an alternative, do you really think it would have taken this to get rid of him? I know we talk about how stupid Grantham is, but he's got eyes and so does Gray who would be making the suggestion to the DC on personnel. I really don't believe he plays if the had an option that wasn't an even bigger cluster**** (before or after the shoe - but certainly not after) I get that you think there is or at least there wouldn't be that big of a drop off. I understand that, I just disagree. But I'm not sure we get to a "right" answer here.

Let me acksplain it to you.

ONLY A COMPLETE FUCHSING IDIOT WOULD PLAY GRANTHAM'S SCHEMES.

Simple enough?