Rumor: Mullen was on vacation on NSD

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So Mullen thinks he can act like retard, embarrass the school, then get an extension?
I think the extension angle was a lot of folks first thought in the beginning and then the other rumors came out. If that was the ploy, it's backfiring magnificently.
 

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I think the extension angle was a lot of folks first thought in the beginning and then the other rumors came out. If that was the ploy, it's backfiring magnificently.
It's also potentially damaging to recruiting by floating interest in bolting for other jobs.
 

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It's also potentially damaging to recruiting by floating interest in bolting for other jobs.

I don’t think it’s a ploy. I think it would be incredibly stupid and completely damaging to recruiting that in back to back years he has looked at leaving to go to the NFL on his own accord. It would be so easy for competing coaches to sell against that.

I think he wants to leave. And we should open the door.
 

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I think he wants to leave. And we should open the door.
I have no doubt he wants to leave. I think he wants a pile of money on his way out, that's the problem. We aren't going to get lucky enough to have someone hire him away, so what happens now?
 

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I don’t think it’s a ploy. I think it would be incredibly stupid and completely damaging to recruiting that in back to back years he has looked at leaving to go to the NFL on his own accord. It would be so easy for competing coaches to sell against that.

I think he wants to leave. And we should open the door.
It's a classic Sexton ploy, so I can see it either way. If his intent was to get a raise, he got something else.
 

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I have no doubt he wants to leave. I think he wants a pile of money on his way out, that's the problem. We aren't going to get lucky enough to have someone hire him away, so what happens now?

I don’t know where I read it, but I did read somewhere that he has tried to get an extension the last two years and he has not been given one. Also, his assistants have not gotten extensions either. In addition to that there was some clause that all of them had put into their contracts over the last month or so regarding NCAA infractions.

So I think the administration is playing chicken with him. They’re going to let him play his contract out. Or he leaves early on his own accord.

Could he dive bombed the team and sink the program? Sure. But he would wreck any chance he would ever have to coach again. And I think they could fire for cause if that happens.

So it very well could be that he is looking at other options because the administration is not investing money into him or his coaches.
 

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Am I understanding correctly that one of the possibilities is that Mullen wants to fire Grantham but he is being vetoed by UAA? If this is true, separate his ridiculous pressers and half-arsing the bowl game, I side with Mullen on this issue.

Why would he want to stay here if he can't fire someone who reports directly to him?

This is not true.
 

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Well, the door was certainly open today. He got paid by UF while shopping for a job in the NFL. What everyone wants to know is, how long is this charade allowed to go on?
 

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I don’t know where I read it, but I did read somewhere that he has tried to get an extension the last two years and he has not been given one. Also, his assistants have not gotten extensions either. In addition to that there was some clause that all of them had put into their contracts over the last month or so regarding NCAA infractions.

So I think the administration is playing chicken with him. They’re going to let him play his contract out. Or he leaves early on his own accord.

Could he dive bombed the team and sink the program? Sure. But he would wreck any chance he would ever have to coach again. And I think they could fire for cause if that happens.

So it very well could be that he is looking at other options because the administration is not investing money into him or his coaches.

That benefits no one. The two sides need to be open and honest with each other. We’re either moving forward together or we’re not. The mere suggestion that the UAA may be willing to try and string him out pisses me off, not over him but over what it would do to the program.
 

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I don’t know where I read it, but I did read somewhere that he has tried to get an extension the last two years and he has not been given one. Also, his assistants have not gotten extensions either. In addition to that there was some clause that all of them had put into their contracts over the last month or so regarding NCAA infractions.

So I think the administration is playing chicken with him. They’re going to let him play his contract out. Or he leaves early on his own accord.

Could he dive bombed the team and sink the program? Sure. But he would wreck any chance he would ever have to coach again. And I think they could fire for cause if that happens.

So it very well could be that he is looking at other options because the administration is not investing money into him or his coaches.

That's certainly possible. But as the Only Gators article points out, in many respects Mullen’s frustration is due to a flawed approach by our entire AD. He wants to compete and they aren’t allowing it, or have prioritized completely differently. That’s the part the concerns me. Are there better coaches out there? Yes. But this would be the second coach in 5 years that has called out UF’s commitment to football and is essentially scolded for doing so, while fan expectations continue on undeterred. That’s a toxic recipe. I’m not saying we’re wrong, or putting it all on that. But at some point, how desirable does the job become when you knowingly inherit less support and yet expectations as high as those that have more.

Kind of a wordy way of staying the obvious, that we need a massive wholesale change from the top down. But do we really know exactly what we have with Mullen given the garbage approach we’ve employed since the mid-00s? And does that approach have a lot to do with why he was “chosen” in the first place as two top tier candidates chose other jobs? Yes, the behavior is frustrating and I didn’t like the end of this year, nor the idea of him looking elsewhere every few years. But we have a major issue that runs way deeper than Dan Mullen, and whether it’s a firing or the replacement of a leaving HC, especially with how he’s largely viewed by many of those within Gator Nation, compared to those outside it, it’s simply not a good look. Like Mullen or not, he’s basically pushing the same argument as virtually all of us here, and both parties have acknowledged that until that changes, we’re at a significant disadvantage.
 

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That benefits no one. The two sides need to be open and honest with each other. We’re either moving forward together or we’re not. The mere suggestion that the UAA may be willing to try and string him out pisses me off, not over him but over what it would do to the program.
Well I don’t have any idea. I’m just speculating.

Nick De La Torre has an article where he thinks that Sexton is posturing to get him a longer contract and more money. He saying that the administration has been hesitant because of some of the things that Mullen has done this year.

Nobody has any idea. I’m actually surprised that neither Mullen nor the administration has come out and said anything yet.
 

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That's certainly possible. But as the Only Gators article points out, in many respects Mullen’s frustration is due to a flawed approach by our entire AD. He wants to compete and they aren’t allowing it, or have prioritized completely differently. That’s the part the concerns me. Are there better coaches out there? Yes. But this would be the second coach in 5 years that has called out UF’s commitment to football and is essentially scolded for doing so, while fan expectations continue on undeterred. That’s a toxic recipe. I’m not saying we’re wrong, or putting it all on that. But at some point, how desirable does the job become when you knowingly inherit less support and yet expectations as high as those that have more.

Kind of a wordy way of staying the obvious, that we need a massive wholesale change from the top down. But do we really know exactly what we have with Mullen given the garbage approach we’ve employed since the mid-00s? And does that approach have a lot to do with why he was “chosen” in the first place as two top tier candidates chose other jobs? Yes, the behavior is frustrating and I didn’t like the end of this year, nor the idea of him looking elsewhere every few years. But we have a major issue that runs way deeper than Dan Mullen, and whether it’s a firing or the replacement of a leaving HC, especially with how he’s largely viewed by many of those within Gator Nation, compared to those outside it, it’s simply not a good look. Like Mullen or not, he’s basically pushing the same argument as virtually all of us here, and both parties have acknowledged that until that changes, we’re at a significant disadvantage.

I saw a post from somebody on 247 who said that Texas A&M changed their athletic structure where the UAA is responsible for all sports except for football and then there is some organization like the booster club? That’s responsible for football.

Since they are the major donors they make sure that the money moves toward football infrastructure and any coaching salaries.

They went on to say that there are some programs that have started to move toward that as well.

I do not know the veracity of this.
 

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Screw an extension. Win something meaningful and then talk about a new contract. Complete the terms of your existing contract.
 

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Well I don’t have any idea. I’m just speculating.

Nick De La Torre has an article where he thinks that Sexton is posturing to get him a longer contract and more money. He saying that the administration has been hesitant because of some of the things that Mullen has done this year.

Nobody has any idea. I’m actually surprised that neither Mullen nor the administration has come out and said anything yet.

Like minds. I’d just finished reading the Gator Bait piece when I read your post. Mullen sounds burnt out on the Florida situation and the college game in general.

This comes off very Meyerish.

GatorsTerritory - Looking into Dan Mullen to NFL rumors

So, the sullen look on Mullen’s face could be explained away by stress or exhaustion but surely, Mullen, the coach who infamously challenged reporters to a thumb wrestling match because he was so competitive would not be happy with the outcome.

"I viewed this game that wasn't the 2020 football team that you saw,” Mullen said. “I mean, there were about 25 guys missing off the 2020 football team out there tonight.”

Sure, the list of players unavailable for the game was long but that’s been a recouping theme this year for every team in the country. What happened to the coach in 2018 with the competitive spirit in everything he did? Surely he’d get back to that during the post Cotton Bowl presser.

“That's how I kind of view this game,” Mullen said. “I view the last game the last team the 2020 team played was 11 days ago.”

That’s a far cry from Mullen back in 2018. Following Florida’s 2018 loss to Missouri, Mullen was asked how the Gators would respond to the loss?

“I’d be really disappointed if people don't wanna play for themselves. They keep score. Someone wins and someone loses. I don't care what we’re doing. If you wanna thumb wrestle me right now I’m gonna kick your ass. You know what I mean,” Mullen said. “If you wanna come on up I got you. You wanna go run stadiums? I’ll kick your ass. If you’re gonna keep score, and someone’s gonna win and someone’s gonna lose, I wanna beat your ass. If you don’t have that attitude in the locker room we gotta problem.”


And later:

”College football as we know it will be very different over the next several years,” he said. “It’ll be, I don’t want to say it’s going to be better or worse, it’s just going to be different than what a lot of college football is used to. The world is ever-changing.”
 

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I saw a post from somebody on 247 who said that Texas A&M changed their athletic structure where the UAA is responsible for all sports except for football and then there is some organization like the booster club? That’s responsible for football.

Since they are the major donors they make sure that the money moves toward football infrastructure and any coaching salaries.

They went on to say that there are some programs that have started to move toward that as well.

I do not know the veracity of this.

So, let the primary source of both revenue and contributions be directed at the discretion of those donors, and in a way that has proven to generate the most ROI. Such a wild idea.

There may be a reason A&M produces high income jobs and tremendous wealth, while outside of a select few areas, UF and Gainesville have career students, $35k PhDs and “free spirit” candle makers.
 

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:exactly:

Agree completely. And when you get your :bandit: from Donk, don't bogart it, pass it down.

He never takes this long. I’m actually a little worried.

But at the end of the day, he knows it as well, and even acknowledges it at times. As I’ve said before, many are more frustrated with the near decade before Mullen got here than anything since. For many, it was almost too late. But you can’t talk about how Alabama has built three facilities before we’ve broken ground on one, mention how they have QC analysts doing game prep weeks in advance when we don’t, and then act as if any coach we place along the sidelines is going to be at a level position with those programs. The entire culture is completely different and the results speak to that.

And no, the disparity was nothing like this even in the beginning of the Meyer years. And when it started heading that direction and was clear we had no intentions of playing the same game, shocker, he bailed.
 

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