State of Florida Football

[CU-UF]

Florida has enough talent that UCF will be able to compete...and I think ahead of U and FSU.

With 70,000 students they'll have support.

I also believe there will be a push to bring the few Top Schools into the P5 that are in other non-P5 Conferences.

Time will definitely tell, but it would have to be a major paradigm shift from what history says. Look back over the last 50 years, there has not even been one program among "newcomers" that has sniffed a natty.

I also think you are putting too much into UCF enrollment numbers. A LARGE portion of their students are remote and commuter, its kinda like saying the University of Phoenix would have a kick ass football team because of their enrollment

 

[NOLAGATOR]

Time will definitely tell, but it would have to be a major paradigm shift from what history says. Look back over the last 50 years, there has not even been one program among "newcomers" that has sniffed a natty.

I also think you are putting too much into UCF enrollment numbers. A LARGE portion of their students are remote and commuter, its kinda like saying the University of Phoenix would have a kick ass football team because of their enrollment

Well the U will always struggle...they are too small.

And what does FSU have over UCF?

And with respect...History? Times have changed. Tulane was a power. Awesome academics ...in a Fuchs kind a way.

 

[GatorTruth133]

Time will definitely tell, but it would have to be a major paradigm shift from what history says. Look back over the last 50 years, there has not even been one program among "newcomers" that has sniffed a natty.

I also think you are putting too much into UCF enrollment numbers. A LARGE portion of their students are remote and commuter, its kinda like saying the University of Phoenix would have a kick ass football team because of their enrollment

There has been a steady and stronger growing fanbase here in central Florida since UCF first went to a NY6 bowl in 2013. I personally know a lot of young UCF season ticket holders. These guys are a rising program in a location that allows for better attendance consistently than FSU and higher highs in the last decade than Miami. Are they there yet? No. But NOLA is correct in saying that these guys are rising and could be a top 2-4. There were a ton of UCF people at Raymond James

 

[CU-UF]

Well the U will always struggle...they are too small.

And what does FSU have over UCF?

And with respect...History? Times have changed. Tulane was a power. Awesome academics ...in a Fuchs kind a way.

Well first of all UM and FSU both have multiple nattys already. They have already proven that you can win one there. Now that I think about it, Miami is probably the last program in 1983 to "break through" as a young program. So I guess if you are UCF there is some precedent of it happening before. It just doesn't happen with any level of consistency since 40 years ago was the last time. Also, the ACC is a legitimate P5 conference with all the benefits that come with that. While B12 is technically a P5 conference, there is much much more uncertainty around what that conference is going to be in the future. The name of the game is TV contracts for conferences, and without Okie and Texas its a big unknown what type of contract they are going to get.

And Tulane? c'mon that was 100 years ago. Still all Tulane means is that programs can play their way into obscurity.

 

[CU-UF]

There has been a steady and stronger growing fanbase here in central Florida since UCF first went to a NY6 bowl in 2013. I personally know a lot of young UCF season ticket holders. These guys are a rising program in a location that allows for better attendance consistently than FSU and higher highs in the last decade than Miami. Are they there yet? No. But NOLA is correct in saying that these guys are rising and could be a top 2-4. There were a ton of UCF people at Raymond James

So riddle me this, who will win a national championship sooner? UCF or one of the big 3? If you can honestly say UCF, then not sure I can change your opinion.

I say this because for me this is the criteria to say will UCF become one of the top 3 programs in the state. Im not saying UCF cant or isn't a solid program. Any given year they can probably beat UF. Miami or FSU or end up with a better record. But here's another way of my point. If all 4 programs have the best year possible, which one has a higher probability winning a national championship as it stands now and the near future? You cant honestly say UCF over Miami, FSU or UF.

 

[GatorTruth133]

So riddle me this, who will win a national championship sooner? UCF or one of the big 3? If you can honestly say UCF, then not sure I can change your opinion.

Are Natty's really the only measurement? I mean, Miami is the flagship then.

Or are we looking at chances to win a lot of games, fanbase support, attendance, and other factors?

I don't think anyone said UCF would win a Natty before UF, but good strawman buddy. Could they win one IF the Big 12 stays power 5 before Miami and FSU. Yes, that's possible. Can they end up with more support, money, attendance, NIL, etc. than FSU, Miami, or both? Yes.

 

[CU-UF]

Are Natty's really the only measurement? I mean, Miami is the flagship then.

Or are we looking at chances to win a lot of games, fanbase support, attendance, and other factors?

I don't think anyone said UCF would win a Natty before UF, but good strawman buddy. Could they win one IF the Big 12 stays power 5 before Miami and FSU. Yes, that's possible. Can they end up with more support, money, attendance, NIL, etc. than FSU, Miami, or both? Yes.

My point is who has the ability to win a natty as it stands now in the near future. Sure a crap ton can happen BUT the probability of that happening is lower in my opinion, for the UCF scenarios that you lay out.

Like I said, time will tell. Pin this for 5 years from now lol.

 

[NOLAGATOR]

My point is who has the ability to win a natty as it stands now in the near future. Sure a crap ton can happen BUT the probability of that happening is lower in my opinion, for the UCF scenarios that you lay out.

Like I said, time will tell. Pin this for 5 years from now lol.

UF has the best chance at a NC.

I said UCF could be the #2 IN Florida very soon.

 

[CU-UF]

UF has the best chance at a NC.

I said UCF could be the #2 IN Florida very soon.

I understand, I just disagree based upon a different set of criteria. Namely the ability to win a national championship. While UCF may enjoy success in the form of 10 win seasons and a nice bowl win, I just don't see them winning one

 

[NOLAGATOR]

I understand, I just disagree based upon a different set of criteria. Namely the ability to win a national championship. While UCF may enjoy success in the form of 10 win seasons and a nice bowl win, I just don't see them winning one

I know The U and Clown U have won NCs...I think UCF has a better chance going forward...at least getting invited to the Big Dance.

And The Big 12 has long way to go to catch the SEC and BIG 1O (I hate that name) but The PAC and the ACC...Really?

 

[Gatorphan]

UCF is in for a rude awakening when they start playing big boy football nearly every week. Even without UT and OK on the schedule; UCF 10 win seasons are not happening again once they’re in the P5 conference.

 

[GatorTruth133]

UCF is in for a rude awakening when they start playing big boy football nearly every week. Even without UT and OK on the schedule; UCF 10 win seasons are not happening again once they’re in the P5 conference.

They definitely are. They also are in a much more fertile recruiting ground than a good majority of Big 12 teams. Yes, it will take time, but I believe they can get to 10 wins in a conference that has let Baylor become a thing (who UCF beat in 2013).

 

[Theologator]

Time will definitely tell, but it would have to be a major paradigm shift from what history says. Look back over the last 50 years, there has not even been one program among "newcomers" that has sniffed a natty.

I also think you are putting too much into UCF enrollment numbers. A LARGE portion of their students are remote and commuter, its kinda like saying the University of Phoenix would have a kick ass football team because of their enrollment

Well, if you go back 50 years F$U went from being an “independent” that rose out of essentially the old Metro Conference, claimed legitimacy by catching LSU, OSU and Notre Dame at historic lows, joined the weak ACC and…

Miami wasn’t anything pre-1980 either.

Meyer made Utah respectable by beating Pitt and that led to their Pac12 invite.

They are admittedly the notable exceptions, though.

I see UCF in the same orbit with Cincy & Louisville. That’s why I think a big infusion of cash is the main factor. But I’m thinking mid-level P5, like Wake or SC, not contenders. They’ll compete with Iowa State ok.

scUM’s fade is a separate issue but it’s pretty bad.

 

[Dunder]

I said this before...UCF will be the one to watch.

70,000 Students
Joining Big 12...P5
Some of my Gator Friends who have kids...who are at UCF...Have become fans
Texas was THE School in the state...not any more.


Napier should change UF...but UCF may be on the rise for #2

My daughter is a sophomore at UCF, but during the Gaspirilla Bowl she was actively rooting for the Gators. She loves going to UCF (still would have preferred UF, but stupid Fuchs made it nearly impossible to get in), but she thinks the “National Champions” sign at the top of the stadium is totally ignorant.

 

[Dunder]

They definitely are. They also are in a much more fertile recruiting ground than a good majority of Big 12 teams. Yes, it will take time, but I believe they can get to 10 wins in a conference that has let Baylor become a thing (who UCF beat in 2013).

Aren’t 1/4th the Big 12 schools in Texas?

 

[NOLAGATOR]

My daughter is a sophomore at UCF, but during the Gaspirilla Bowl she was actively rooting for the Gators. She loves going to UCF (still would have preferred UF, but stupid Fuchs made it nearly impossible to get in), but she thinks the “National Champions” sign at the top of the stadium is totally ignorant.

Some here have said it's a good thing UF is the Elite school...Fuchs told me...If you want your kids to get into UF..."they should study harder"

A women who had complained to me at a Trade Show...(she was working it)..that UF is way too hard to get into ...the kids around her don't even bother applying....another poster said...maybe she should have done more instead of going to "Trade Shows"

It's sad that UF can't keep their standards but allow more students to attend.... BUT UF Grads get awesome jobs so it must be worth it.

 

[Joegator96]

Time will definitely tell, but it would have to be a major paradigm shift from what history says. Look back over the last 50 years, there has not even been one program among "newcomers" that has sniffed a natty.

I also think you are putting too much into UCF enrollment numbers. A LARGE portion of their students are remote and commuter, its kinda like saying the University of Phoenix would have a kick ass football team because of their enrollment

"More students are learning online. In fact, 49.4 percent of UCF’s total student credit hours are online and blended modalities. Of those, 33 percent of UCF’s total student credit hours are fully online."
Everything You Need to Succeed as a Digital Learner

 

[Theologator]

My daughter is a sophomore at UCF, but during the Gaspirilla Bowl she was actively rooting for the Gators. She loves going to UCF (still would have preferred UF, but stupid Fuchs made it nearly impossible to get in), but she thinks the “National Champions” sign at the top of the stadium is totally ignorant.

Alabama claims some of their championships on similar bases - one poll or another. UCF’s is from the Colley Matrix. Doesn’t make it right, UF doesn’t trumpet our 1984 NY Times computer poll NC, but it is ironic that they claim a share with Bama. And now it’s up there, with a huge invisible asterisk, they cannot take it down.

 

[rogdochar]

:cool:

"More students are learning online.

Online education, can that be monitored.? :cool:

 

[Pablos Tunnel]

I said this before...UCF will be the one to watch.

70,000 Students
Joining Big 12...P5
Some of my Gator Friends who have kids...who are at UCF...Have become fans
Texas was THE School in the state...not any more.


Napier should change UF...but UCF may be on the rise for #2

Im with you on this. Also, geography is in their favor and their fan base is out pacing every other school. Look at the demographics of the students and thier families.