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The only negative w/ Frost is: "he's ONLY been a head coach for 2 years..." Other than that, what's not to like?

Sean McVay had NO head coaching experience prior to this year. Halfway through the season the Rams are one of the NFL's best offensive teams and Jarred Goff has gone from rookie bust to all star. Looks like the new "rookie" coach has had quite an impact.

I believe like with any other occupation, some guys have "it" and some guys don't. Experience can be helpful but is not the determining factor for success. Inexperience should not necessarily be a reason to reject a guy with "it".
 

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Sean McVay had NO head coaching experience prior to this year. Halfway through the season the Rams are one of the NFL's best offensive teams and Jarred Goff...
I believe like with any other occupation, some guys have "it" and some guys don't.
Yeah, we are not that bright at this forum. We decided that Since Zook and musChimp were coordinators that you could never hire coordinator again.... and that since Treon was "short" only quarterbacks that are 6'5" will work.

You're wasting your time trying to overcome the groupthink stupidity.
 

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Tom Herman was a program changer at Houston.
He's 4-5 at Texas.
You can judge a coach in his second year.... not just overall record but trends.

I have bad news for you, any coach we hire is going to struggle at least for the first year or three with this pile of crap roster Butterteeth made.
 

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How does that compare to Mac's Offense when OC at Alabama, or Nuss?
Combined Butters N Nuss had one top offense. Surprisingly you CAN just run it up the middle and throw screen passes w Ingram, Richardson, Amari Cooper, a herd of 300lb future NFL linemen and a few dozen other NFLers on the roster.
 

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Sean McVay had NO head coaching experience prior to this year. Halfway through the season the Rams are one of the NFL's best offensive teams and Jarred Goff has gone from rookie bust to all star. Looks like the new "rookie" coach has had quite an impact.

I believe like with any other occupation, some guys have "it" and some guys don't. Experience can be helpful but is not the determining factor for success. Inexperience should not necessarily be a reason to reject a guy with "it".
The exception doesn't prove the rule though does it.
Some 3*s turn out to be pretty good but that doesn't mean you want to take your chances on every 3*.
 

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Dude, you're wasting your time responding to him. He's a broken record. You are 100% right in all of your responses, however....
In the end we all want what's best for the program but the urgency of hiring the right guy after 8 years of living in a wasteland ups the ante even more.

I've done a lot of hiring of sales people in my career. Sales, like football, is a results driven business. You don't sell, you don't eat. I hired people using a combination of intuition, past results and the good old eyeball test. Some of my best hires, the ones who at the end of the year ended up on the podium lifting their "trophies", were not always the people who were the safe hires but the ones who stood out and had the "it" factor about them. They tended to have new and different ideas about how to get the job done and their demeanor instilled confidence even if they didn't have a long a track record. Frost is one of those guys. Gundy, not so much.
 

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Having been away from here for quite some time, there are some things I just don't understand. I don't understand where the nickname "Butters" for McElwain came from (by this I don't mean I support him, I just don't understand this).

And I don't understand what seems to be the apparent hatred (maybe that's too strong a word) for Mullen. He was the OC / QB coach that developed Tim and the high-powered offense we had while he was at UF. He developed Dak Prescott and Fitzgerald (from just down the road in Richmond Hill, GA) into excellent QBs. Just like everyone else in the SECW, he's had to contend with Saban, so that has affected his W-L record, and kept him (and every other HC in the SECW) from winning that division (except for Chizik, who was fired after winning a NC!). As pointed out in the article referenced above, he would bring with him an experienced staff. We don't know what Frost will bring. Many have said Mullen didn't get along with the UAA staff - but even if that was the case (do we really know?) many in "the administration" are gone - Foley, Machen (although I can't imagine how much of a relationship any asst coach has with the univ Pres), and I'm sure some in UAA below Foley are all gone. As for his wife not liking Gainesville, for enough $$, she can get used to it, and who cares what she thinks, anyway.

Three years ago, when we fired Muschamp, there weren't a lot of good possibilities out there, Foley knew that, and that's why he was reluctant to pull the plug on him, but he had to. This time around, there are quite a few decent possibilities out there, including Mullen. I hope Stricklin will make a good choice (you never know until several years down the road), but if it is Mullen, I will not be disappointed.
 

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When was this (what years)? Under Chip?

How does that compare to Mac's Offense when OC at Alabama, or Nuss?

Sorry, after getting burned on the MacNuss braintrust, I'm not putting much merit in OC offense rankings under a strong HBC.
That's fair to say for Bama because of the talent that they pull in but not about Or they pull half the talent that Bama pulls
 

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Look everyone else is just as frantic about azzholes continually saying Cousin Eddy Mullins.

It wont be him. UAA and everyone in ADs office hates him.

Even if they were to hire him, you could just join me and most Gators in turning it off for three years.

"UAA and everyone in ADs office hates him." How do you KNOW this? Have you taken a poll? Did you communicate regularly with UAA personnel back in 05-08? With Foley gone, is everyone in the AD's office still there (well, admin assistants and such are probably still there, they don't come and go with the AD) How do we know that if he was unpopular with those working in UAA back then, he hasn't changed since? I do know that in '05, as the new OC, he came to speak to our Savannah Gator Club, and was very personable.
 

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The exception doesn't prove the rule though does it.
Some 3*s turn out to be pretty good but that doesn't mean you want to take your chances on every 3*.

I would not propose that the exception proves the rule. I would say, emphatically, that if a coach appears to be a significant talent and looks to be a good fit for your program, failing to hire him simply because he doesn't have a long track record is a bad decision.
 

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Having been away from here for quite some time, there are some things I just don't understand. I don't understand where the nickname "Butters" for McElwain came from (by this I don't mean I support him, I just don't understand this).

And I don't understand what seems to be the apparent hatred (maybe that's too strong a word) for Mullen. He was the OC / QB coach that developed Tim and the high-powered offense we had while he was at UF. He developed Dak Prescott and Fitzgerald (from just down the road in Richmond Hill, GA) into excellent QBs. Just like everyone else in the SECW, he's had to contend with Saban, so that has affected his W-L record, and kept him (and every other HC in the SECW) from winning that division (except for Chizik, who was fired after winning a NC!). As pointed out in the article referenced above, he would bring with him an experienced staff. We don't know what Frost will bring. Many have said Mullen didn't get along with the UAA staff - but even if that was the case (do we really know?) many in "the administration" are gone - Foley, Machen (although I can't imagine how much of a relationship any asst coach has with the univ Pres), and I'm sure some in UAA below Foley are all gone. As for his wife not liking Gainesville, for enough $$, she can get used to it, and who cares what she thinks, anyway.

Three years ago, when we fired Muschamp, there weren't a lot of good possibilities out there, Foley knew that, and that's why he was reluctant to pull the plug on him, but he had to. This time around, there are quite a few decent possibilities out there, including Mullen. I hope Stricklin will make a good choice (you never know until several years down the road), but if it is Mullen, I will not be disappointed.
Have you ever seen the man's teeth?
 

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"UAA and everyone in ADs office hates him." How do you KNOW this? Have you taken a poll? Did you communicate regularly with UAA personnel back in 05-08? With Foley gone, is everyone in the AD's office still there (well, admin assistants and such are probably still there, they don't come and go with the AD) How do we know that if he was unpopular with those working in UAA back then, he hasn't changed since? I do know that in '05, as the new OC, he came to speak to our Savannah Gator Club, and was very personable.

I don't know much about the rumors and speculation connected with Mullen's personality while at Florida. However, I would love to sit in on the public relations planning meetings that would be needed to address the comments his wife recently made about life in Gainesville while they were on the Florida staff. It would require the Bill Belichick of spin doctors to walk back her statements about their miserable quality of life while working for the Gators.
 

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No, I don't look at the teeth of coaches.
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