Recruiting Mullen, Kelly, Frost recruiting thus far

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Can you please provided the source data as proof that Mullen's class as better than Spurriers... seems it would have been a little before most recruiting services rankings.

That’s true, the ranking services we currently have didn’t exist or were so new as to not resemble what they have become.

It’s also too early to judge Mullen’s first class by hindsight/actual production. They haven’t played a down.

That said, Spurrier’s first class was pretty spare. I’m just going from memory here, but as I recall only Terry Dean and maybe one other player became significant contributors. (Also, his 93 class was pretty pedestrian besides Fred Weary.) The classes between and after those two were stellar. It wouldn’t take much for Mullen’s first class to outshine the 1990 class.

Ha! Google is great. Found this - without changing what I wrote above, I’m pretty close to exactly right on how they panned out. Depends on how you rate Harrison Houston and Aubrey Hill. I didn’t recall the ratings of the players being that high - or who rated them. GatorBait’s hot 100?
http://bloggerofintent.blogspot.com/2013/09/1990-spurriers-first-class.html?m=1

But it’s a different world in so many ways. 28 years. Feels like yesterday. Dang I’m getting old!
 

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That’s true, the ranking services we currently have didn’t exist or were so new as to not resemble what they have become.

It’s also too early to judge Mullen’s first class by hindsight/actual production. They haven’t played a down.

That said, Spurrier’s first class was pretty spare. I’m just going from memory here, but as I recall only Terry Dean and maybe one other player became significant contributors. (Also, his 93 class was pretty pedestrian besides Fred Weary.) The classes between and after those two were stellar. It wouldn’t take much for Mullen’s first class to outshine the 1990 class.

Ha! Google is great. Found this - without changing what I wrote above, I’m pretty close to exactly right on how they panned out. Depends on how you rate Harrison Houston and Aubrey Hill. I didn’t recall the ratings of the players being that high - or who rated them. GatorBait’s hot 100?
http://bloggerofintent.blogspot.com/2013/09/1990-spurriers-first-class.html?m=1

But it’s a different world in so many ways. 28 years. Feels like yesterday. Dang I’m getting old!
Mullen's transition class was better than Spurrier's. Remember that Galen Hall had just got UF on NCAA probation. Once Spurrier showed he could beat the SEC with the fun and gun things got much better in recruiting.
 

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yawn.

Your insults are even worse than your commentary. I can't even bring myself to respond. Would be like kicking a handicap child.

Carry on.
You initiated the attacks not me. I ignored your attacks for a while but you are just so easy to bring down Mac. Try to have an intelligent dialogue instead of attacking people and it will make the board more interesting.
 

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You are smarter than that. This is not a celebration of the current recruiting class ranking.

The point is all the people here claiming the world ended because we did not get Kelly would really be freaking out on recruiting now after the last UCLA transition class and current summer ranking . They claimed that Kelly's genius would just draw in the recruits. He has a brand new football center at UCLA and still is not drawing in the top recruits.

Just a thought, but if your point was to argue Mullen as a better hire for UF than Kelly or Frost, then don’t wait until post #58 to say so.

Frost was my top hope. I did not want Kelly. It’s impossible to know how either would have done recruiting to UF. But to run with your comparison...

Kelly is in the middle of a fantastic recruiting ground. Yes, UCLA is second fiddle in LA but there are so many recruits and it isn’t like USC is blowing doors yet either (#36 this morning.) Bizarre to have no one yet. No one - per Rivals and 247.

When Nebraska was truly great, they were pulling elite recruits out of Florida plus a few felons to salt speed in with the strength of midwestern linemen. Thus far, Frost has zero Florida commitments for 2019. He did get 3 4-star and 3 3-star guys from Florida in his transition class, 5 of them skill position players.

Mullen is clearly out recruiting Kelly so far this year, as is literally everyone else. True so far this year for Frost but it’s so early.

And the 2018 classes are too close to call. Look at 247 then look at Rivals. No real separation.
 

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Mullen's transition class was better than Spurrier's. Remember that Galen Hall had just got UF on NCAA probation. Once Spurrier showed he could beat the SEC with the fun and gun things got much better in recruiting.

By what measure? If by rankings then it’s at best unclear. If by actual production, we will need 2-3 years to know.

I remember. I was there. I graduated in ‘83, came back for post-bacc work to qualify for the cpa exam ‘85-‘87 and was a season ticket holder 1990-2013. I’ve been a recruinik since 1980.
 

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By what measure? If by rankings then it’s at best unclear. If by actual production, we will need 2-3 years to know.

I remember. I was there. I graduated in ‘83, came back for post-bacc work to qualify for the cpa exam ‘85-‘87 and was a season ticket holder 1990-2013. I’ve been a recruinik since 1980.
By his measure. It's impossible to create an apples to apples comparison to 1990. There were no ratings services.
 

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By his measure. It's impossible to create an apples to apples comparison to 1990. There were no ratings services.
He’ll find a way to spin it.
 

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He’ll find a way to spin it.
He dug himself a deep hole by trying to support Mullen by pointing to his initial class being better and then going one step further by explaining away Spurrier's class by the NCAA sanctions.

UF finished first in the SEC in 1990. What will Mullen's excuse be if he doesn't replicate that?
 

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A 10 win season would do worlds of good for recruiting. I am not going to rate Mullen's recruiting until after the FSU game.
 

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Was it a dodge or was our just that unattractive? Would he rather go to ucla where expectations are low or here to Florida where the administration expects championships but won't give a coach enough support to do so? He took 2 mil less to not take this job and it took 6 mil to hire a failed Mississippi coach. I think the problem lies up top. Either way, I'd rather have Chip Kelly mailing it in than Dan Mullen at full force.

T I understand your rationale but it is factually inaccurate, Kelly was going to make $6 million where ever he went thanks to his contract with the 49ers. I think you are more accurate on the attractiveness of the job statement. UCLA is the 4-5th biggest attraction in LA. They went out of their way to cater to him, where at UF and Gainesville overall he would be in the fishbowl.
 

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He dug himself a deep hole by trying to support Mullen by pointing to his initial class being better and then going one step further by explaining away Spurrier's class by the NCAA sanctions.

UF finished first in the SEC in 1990. What will Mullen's excuse be if he doesn't replicate that?
I doubt Mullen makes any excuses. The professor on the other hand...
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There's no doubt in my mind that Spurrier's first class wasn't terrific, and that Mullinz, largely on the strength of early signing, was better. It seems like 94 was the first class (that was the fab five receiver class, right?) was really considered a top class.

That being said Mullinz also inherited a much worse roster. Yes we were on probation in 1990 but we did not have kids that we stole from Sunbelt teams on it. Probably a third of our roster now is FIU/ FAU Butters n Randy specials. There is no getting around that. They just arent SEC players.
 

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There's no doubt in my mind that Spurrier's first class wasn't terrific, and that Mullinz, largely on the strength of early signing, was better. It seems like 94 was the first class that was really considered a top class.

That being said Mullinz also inherited a much worse roster. Yes we were on probation in 1990 but we did not have kids that we stole from Sunbelt teams on it. Probably a third of our roster now is FIU/ FAU Butters n Randy specials. There is no getting around that. They just arent SEC players.
Worst shape as far as our roster goes since I’ve been paying attention. Seems most folks are in denial about it, though.
 

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Worst shape as far as our roster goes since I’ve been paying attention. Seems most folks are in denial about it, though.
It is inconceivable to me how people blow off the roster situation.

Some, like Insti, are just married to their "Butters was recruiting well positions" and/or stars dont matter positions. (Tell that to Saban and Creyer). The rest I dont understand. Heads buried firmly in the sand.
 

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There's no doubt in my mind that Spurrier's first class wasn't terrific, and that Mullinz, largely on the strength of early signing, was better. It seems like 94 was the first class (that was the fab five receiver class, right?) was really considered a top class.

That being said Mullinz also inherited a much worse roster. Yes we were on probation in 1990 but we did not have kids that we stole from Sunbelt teams on it. Probably a third of our roster now is FIU/ FAU Butters n Randy specials. There is no getting around that. They just arent SEC players.

Hall had serveral highly regarded classes due to his production on the field before the his final year.... so the roster had a lot of talent when Spurrier took over. This roster is a clusterfck and 2018 is a mulligan year for Mullen on the field. But his recruiting should be top notch if we are really going to move forward. Don't sell me on transition class, when in all honesty last year's recruiting for all teams was odd due to the first year of early signing period.
 

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It is inconceivable to me how people blow off the roster situation.
I absolutely agree that stars matter.
The roster situation of available high star players is definitely higher this year than last year. We led the NCAA last year in suspended/ injured players.

Roster this year will have more available high star players available as compared to last year at:

RB,WR, TE, OL, Safety, QB,LB

Our young 4 star CBs will be more experienced. The majority of the team will be better conditioned than last season.

Trask and Del Rio were injured last year and are not high star players. Trask now healthy but not high star unlike 4 star QB Emory Jones who is now available.
 

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