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Our defense is shyt even when not winded. We are playing 2 stars in the secondary and don't have one complete linebacker if you could take the bits of all of them and wrap them up into one player.

And we are 40ish pounds underweight at every DL position.

It is what it is.

We are so talent deficient on defense it’s ridiculous.
 

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We are so talent deficient on defense it’s ridiculous.
There is a price to pay for the shyt Butters signed the last three years. Now we pay it. They weren't just smoking our LBs with all sec caliber TE, they were also doing it with the 3rd and 4th TEs.

I don't even want to talk about safeties anymore.
 

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It is, mostly.

Stiner and Taylor, Reese and Joseph aren't any more talented this week than last. Franks and Trash, aren't spread option Qbs (or QBs). It is what it is.
I mean, I’ll give you Georgia has more talent than us but Kentucky and Mizzu? What about Vandy?
 

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I mean, I’ll give you Georgia has more talent than us but Kentucky and Mizzu? What about Vandy?
We have more bluechippers for sure. But we also have about 2 dozen kids that just arent SEC players. All that Butters sunbelt or lower trash.

I just get tired of saying it but we have never in the history of UF resorted to taking players from FIU. Players that USF and UCF didn't want. We used to take ND players as our plan B. Maybe even a Kintucky or Purdue or Vandy players.

These were barely ranked, unranked or low three stars. When we hear names like Stiner, Taylor, McWilliams, Lenton, Brunson, Moon, Fred Johnson, Ancrum, Moral Stephens, all these kids were not being recruiting by anyone else, not Vandy, or Mizzu, or even USF or UCF. If Butters hadnt taken them some were FIU bound some were going to 1AA.

Our recruiting was disasterous, it was well documented and now we pay the price.

You know I'm not a Mullinz lover, but those guys are what was left. I do think he should be getting some of our more talented players, even true freshmen on the field if necessary or moving positions, but he wasn't left much.

That being said, there is no denying Mullinz has a resume of losing often to less talented teams, like Arky, Ole Miss (even on probation with an interim) and South Alabama.
 
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As a team, we ranked:
8th in 2014
23rd in 2015
14th in 2016
9th in 2017

But yeah, we have far less talent than Vandy, Kentucky and Mizzu.
 

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As a team, we ranked:
8th in 2014
23rd in 2015
14th in 2016
9th in 2017

But yeah, we have far less talent than Vandy, Kentucky and Mizzu.

It isn't the top half its all that shyt filler at the bottom of the class. All that stuff that frankly wouldn't even be playing major college without Butters.

You can tell the difference even between a high 3 star borderline 4 star like Jawaan Taylor the tackle (who was a plan B for Bammer) vs Taylor, McWilliams, Brunson and Stiner the safeties who weren't be recruited by anyone, right?

The were all "3 stars" but they arent even close to being the same type of players.

Also, that 9th class was a sham. Many of the BCs in that class are gone. It is really a 15- 20th class, like all the others. The two best talents were James Robinson and Lemmons. One didn't play a game and the other didn't play any snaps that matters. Jake Allen, the so called highlight of the class. Yeah.


I know it pains some of you Butterpumpers who used to explain that Butters could take Sunbelt players and coach em up. You got to see it the last two years. How'd that work?
 

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Also, that 9th class was a sham. Many of the BCs in that class are gone. It is really a 15- 20th class, like all the others. The two best talents were James Robinson and Lemmons. One didn't play a game and the other didn't play any snaps that matters. Jake Allen, the so called highlight of the class. Yeah.
I get what you’re saying, I really do, but it’s no different than any other team in the country. Guys come and go. But with the same issues, the likes of Kentucky, Mizzu, Vandy are no where near us in the rankings.
 

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I get what you’re saying, I really do, but it’s no different than any other team in the country. Guys come and go. But with the same issues, the likes of Kentucky, Mizzu, Vandy are no where near us in the rankings.
Dude... listen. IT IS NOT THE SAME. Kintucky didn't take players that UCF wouldn't. Mizzu didn't. Vandy didn't.

UF NEVER HAS, in our history. Never. Not even when we were on probation. We took fewer numbers but we've never taken shyt like that.

I know you were a big Butterpumper but there has never been anyone who did this. I know, they were still 3 stars (some 2 stars) but they were literally a bunch of Div 1 rejects. The rankings only reflect four grades. These were the last minute, leftover, easiest fvkking thing we can do and move on players so that fat lazy ass didn't actually work at all. The leftovers from South Florida that Butters learned were still available. Dozens of them.

I can show you #17 classes before in Gator history, but no classes that had six FIU players.

Yes, I agree, we STILL had more talent, but we have some damn significant holes right now. If you have one gap in the fence, it doesn't work. Doesn't matter how good the rest is. We have several huge roster holes but notably most notably LB and Safety, it really doesn't matter how many blue chip recievers you have standing four deep on the sideline, does it?
 
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You’re right. We took a bunch of scrubs while the teams ranked far below us miraculously hauled in a bunch of unknown talent that nobody saw to fill in their holes. :rolleyes3:

Do you ever read what you type or just throw it out there?
 

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You’re right. We took a bunch of scrubs while the teams ranked far below us miraculously hauled in a bunch of unknown talent that nobody saw to fill in their holes. :rolleyes3:

Do you ever read what you type or just throw it out there?
Jeezus fvkking christ. . It's not unknown talent, it just wasn't FIU/FAU talent. No one is saying the are Ugly or Trailerbammer. They just werent Sunbelters.

Look, you don't bother with recruiting. You should really just not open your mouth now. It makes you look silly. We get it. You bet big and bytch big after you lose.
 
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Jeezus fvkking christ. Look, you don't bother with recruiting. You should really just not open your mouth now. It makes you look silly.
Look, we get it. When you no longer have an argument, result in the personal attack. You can believe what you type all you want but you are just wrong. Nothing you’ve said have proven otherwise.
 

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He certainly doesn’t do the defense any favors missing open receivers that could extend drives...at least keep them off the field for more than 50 seconds and flip field position
I just wish we could run the ball.
 

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Our defense is shyt even when not winded. We are playing 2 stars in the secondary and don't have one complete linebacker if you could take the bits of all of them and wrap them up into one player.

And we are 40ish pounds underweight at every DL position.

It is what it is.
Do you tire? Then we win one and everyone goes apes hit crazy thinking we are back.
 

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Zero pass rush against a a solid QB coupled with LBs that can’t tackle or cover anyone means you get your ass beat. Add in an OL that can’t run or pass block and you get what you got today. Franks is the least of our worries.
The OL has improved and our injuries have as well. Our offensive plays when work have been fun too watch.

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Team loss driven by complete lack of offense. Coaches made some bad calls. The OL was shockingly bad with run blocking. Defense needed to step up and was clueless.

Ultimately though it starts and ends with QB play. I just don’t really understand how the bottom feeders of SEC get guys who can play the position and even when we pick up a high rated guy out of high school he is a complete bust and often looks like he’s playing football for the first time in his life. Insane.
 

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The problem starts with Franks. This isn't a typical Florida defense but it's still good enough to keep us in every game. There's just too many stalled drives and pathetic play by Franks. There's a reason most of Franks' throws are behind the line of scrimmage and Mullen never lets him run the two minute drill late in the first half.

I would like to see EJ start against FSU and in the bowl game.
Missouri had 250+ yds at the half. Most of it rushing. 0 sacks. No pressure. That isn't on Franks . He may suck but he doesn't control the defense.
 

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