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Renard904

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No, he was handed an 8 win team that had a 4 win coach.
Dude, you're outta your mind to contend that Mullen was handed an 8 win team.

I'm sure you watched games last season. That team was atrocious. They sucked before and after the coaching change. What 8 teams could they have beaten? If we played 12-13 Div 1AA schools I'm still not convinced we would've won 8 games.
This maybe the biggest crock of bull I've ever heard you spew.
 

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Any who thinks we have 4 win talent is garbage. There I said it. Look at the class rankings. We are supposed to be somewhere in the mid teens. Since when does a team with talent in the mid teens constitute four wins. What Mullen got was a four win locker room which is completely different
 

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Any who thinks we have 4 win talent is garbage. There I said it. Look at the class rankings. We are supposed to be somewhere in the mid teens. Since when does a team with talent in the mid teens constitute four wins. What Mullen got was a four win locker room which is completely different
We play in the SEC not the AAC. Our middling classes were not that great. Also, your argument holds no weight when you consider Feliepe was a high 4* recruit. You can't just blindly look at the rankings. That 4* player is playing like a 2*. Player development matters. Just because we had mid-teens classes doesn't mean they'll produce mid-teens results. these kids were not developed. Anyone overlooking that is just trying to support their own argument. That team you saw with your eyes last year would not win 8 games in any conference.
 

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Move Dean?

No way Dean starts at CB next year. I'm not sure if CB is his best position, considering he's 6'3. He'll certainly play a lot next year and the Star, Safety, and/or nickel would be his best shot to see the field. Hopefully Wilson and Henderson stay healthy. This CB class could be very, very good. Steele and/or Elam could easily move ahead of Dean at CB, so moving him may be a good move. I want to see Burney and Huggin also. And there's talk that Reese (freshman) and incoming D. Black might play Safety (those are big Safeties).
 

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We play in the SEC not the AAC. Our middling classes were not that great. Also, your argument holds no weight when you consider Feliepe was a high 4* recruit. You can't just blindly look at the rankings. That 4* player is playing like a 2*. Player development matters. Just because we had mid-teens classes doesn't mean they'll produce mid-teens results. these kids were not developed. Anyone overlooking that is just trying to support their own argument. That team you saw with your eyes last year would not win 8 games in any conference.

I get what you're saying...but we were not a 4 win team last year. With the right coach, we would have beaten LSU (lost by a point) and Texas A&M....which likely leads to more confidence and we split South Carolina & FSU, putting us at - at least - 7 wins. We have top 15 talent on our roster, based on the composite rankings (I know that's not an exact science), but to argue we have anything worse than top 25 talent is ridiculous. Mullen is doing about what he should be doing....and he's handcuffed by the QB position. The lack of depth is biting us in the ass at CB and OL.
 

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If you guys are done w/ your pissing contest I'll go ahead and post up some recruiting info:

We have some visitors this weekend for the SC game:

5-star DE Kayvoon Thibadeaux & 4-star DE Derick Hunter for official visits.

LB commits D. Black, M. Diabate, and T. Hopper will be unofficial's.

And a handful of 2020 kids, including Gainesville QB Anthony Richardson.

Adding to the visitors:

FSU commit, SDE Qushan Fuller & SDE Braydon Monday are visiting on unofficial visits.
 

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Want Spurrier's offense? Hire HC Kerwin Bell. That's someone who will not hesitate to huddle with SOS and Steve would gladly help, 'cause they think alike, they've coached UF together. With Bell we will be watching high scoring Florida fun football. Fun winning will bring the recruits. We'll have a coach that they can watch highlight film in orange & blue. Seen any highlights from Muschamp or Butters or Mullen?
 

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Derek Mason is an elite defensive coach. They also have a good, not great OL and a better than average QB and RB.
We have a 4 win team because of 4 win S&C in the previous 3 years, bad coaching in the previous 3 years (it's hard to root out bad habits) and 4 win work ethic and effort. I don't know about you but I saw last years team out there last Saturday.
 
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leogator

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I saw him try to play zone, he did try to adjust. Play zone and not blitz as much. With the talent and discipline problems we have we have to play man to man and blitz. Blitz even during running plays.
 

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Want Spurrier's offense? Hire HC Kerwin Bell. That's someone who will not hesitate to huddle with SOS and Steve would gladly help, 'cause they think alike, they've coached UF together. With Bell we will be watching high scoring Florida fun football. Fun winning will bring the recruits. We'll have a coach that they can watch highlight film in orange & blue. Seen any highlights from Muschamp or Butters or Mullen?

Rog, I'm all in favor of Bell running his offense in Gainesville. I said it during the coaching hire. Mullen was the "safe" hire for Stricklin. Bell is getting older though....and by the time - if - Mullen were to get fired, Bell would be nearing 60 (if not already there). But I said this during the hiring process; they could have hired Bell for $500K and he would have taken the job. Fill his contract with incentives and see what he can do. I would bet my life that he would do better than Butters and Muschamp. And I bet we'd be scoring more PPG than we're seeing right now. This is all speculative, but I think his offense would have been a lot of fun to watch. He'd have been the closest thing to Spurrier that we could have brought in - especially the part about being a former UF QB.
 

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Why do you think he had not installed zone concepts already? Or practice them during the week including the bye week. Maybe we are bad running zone because we are undisciplined. Hell during the game, Stiner left his side and pursued a potential jet sweep (I think) all the way on the other side. The QB pulled the ball out at the last second and completed a pass to a receiver or was it a tight end in the space that Stiner just vacated pursuing the play that was going to the other side of the formation. No position discipline. Sandlot football, I call it bunchball. I saw it last year and the year before and I am seeing again this year. Different DCs, same players. Hmmmm...

And I am done polluting this thread.
 

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I get what you're saying...but we were not a 4 win team last year. With the right coach, we would have beaten LSU (lost by a point) and Texas A&M....which likely leads to more confidence and we split South Carolina & FSU, putting us at - at least - 7 wins. We have top 15 talent on our roster, based on the composite rankings (I know that's not an exact science), but to argue we have anything worse than top 25 talent is ridiculous. Mullen is doing about what he should be doing....and he's handcuffed by the QB position. The lack of depth is biting us in the ass at CB and OL.

One thing nobody can disagree with is recruiting top 15 talent might cut it in some conferences but not the SEC. 15 ranking likely means you finished behind 6 other teams in your own conference (at least). Plus behind the noles and likely scUM.
 

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One thing nobody can disagree with is recruiting top 15 talent might cut it in some conferences but not the SEC. 15 ranking likely means you finished behind 6 other teams in your own conference (at least). Plus behind the noles and likely scUM.

I agree, but the discussion was about Mullen inheriting a "4-win team". That roster was a 7 to 9 win roster (still is).
 

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Looks like we're looking to keep the QB momentum going Offered this kid this week (grades out as a .96 4* as a sophomore and HS system is the same as ours). Together with Carlos del Rio (who's about 20 lbs heavier) we just might end up with an elite QB in 2021.
 

Renard904

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I get what you're saying...but we were not a 4 win team last year. With the right coach, we would have beaten LSU (lost by a point) and Texas A&M....which likely leads to more confidence and we split South Carolina & FSU, putting us at - at least - 7 wins. We have top 15 talent on our roster, based on the composite rankings (I know that's not an exact science), but to argue we have anything worse than top 25 talent is ridiculous. Mullen is doing about what he should be doing....and he's handcuffed by the QB position. The lack of depth is biting us in the ass at CB and OL.
I get it. I just don't understand how anyone could watch that team last year and say that they would beat anyone. Let alone LSU. But hey, if that's the narrative we're going with, so be it. I'm just struggling to think of any coach that would come in here and squeeze more out of this team than what Mullen currently is. Also, your recruiting ranking is, in no way, indicative of your actual talent level. Prime example: FSU. They stink ass! Based on their rankings they should be competing with Bama.
 

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I get it. I just don't understand how anyone could watch that team last year and say that they would beat anyone. Let alone LSU. But hey, if that's the narrative we're going with, so be it. I'm just struggling to think of any coach that would come in here and squeeze more out of this team than what Mullen currently is. Also, your recruiting ranking is, in no way, indicative of your actual talent level. Prime example: FSU. They stink ass! Based on their rankings they should be competing with Bama.

If your ranking is based on big time busts like Jefferson and Clayton then you will have problems on the field. Does FSU have as many busts or is it just us? What about Auburn?
 
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