Recruiting 2019 NSD: 4* DE Khris Bogle and 4* CB Elam signs

CHAMPIONSHIP: If you were forced to have dinner with one of these members, who would you choose?

  • Swamp Donkey

  • Swamp Queen

  • Durty South Swamp

  • dubster1

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Blacklabgator

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Very true. #1-5 or even 1-7 some years are pretty close together. The real issue is total number of bluechippers and beyond that, fit of the bluechippers to filling your needs, ie it's not just 7 Dbs and 4 rush ends and nothing else (Chimp).

Willllie might take 8 DBs this class.
 

rogdochar

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yeah, that really makes no sense. Grade issues are going to prevent him from getting in there, but not UF? And Dad only insists on a scholly from them, but not the good guys? That's not even good spin. The grade issue comment reminds me of one of my wife's favorite lines (on those rare occasions when she's feeling snarky): "I got in to UF but not FSU....said no one ever."

IDK, my genius niece couldn't get into FSU's psychology department -- the whole building stays on lockdown.
 

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Clemson doesn’t sign full classes every year either. So that needs to be considered

Well if your not catching up from coaching changes you should be signing about 22 a year. 22 a year times 5 years is 110 players that could be on your roster and you only have 85 slots. So a mature program that has not had a bunch of coaching changes will usually not have 25 open slots most years.
 

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Alcoholica says recruits base their decisions on what is on a message board.

Not worried about message boards. Someone heard it from somewhere and put it on a message board. If there is any truth, local media in Arizona and possibly ESPN could add fuel to it. Then you have to wonder as a recruit who is telling you the truth, coaches trying to sell you or the media.

Well if your not catching up from coaching changes you should be signing about 22 a year. 22 a year times 5 years is 110 players that could be on your roster and you only have 85 slots. So a mature program that has not had a bunch of coaching changes will usually not have 25 open slots most years.

Not my point at all. They simply don’t process guys out like other schools. So their numbers are lower which translate to lower ratings in some years. So the talent gap will look bigger than it likely is when you use class rankings as a metric.

Law and others make a good point about tracking blue chips as a percentage
 

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Not my point at all. They simply don’t process guys out like other schools. So their numbers are lower which translate to lower ratings in some years. So the talent gap will look bigger than it likely is when you use class rankings as a metric.

It does not matter if it is your point or not. It is an additional point that mature programs tend to have some class not ranked quite as high as they can not sign as high a number of recruits each year.
 

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Not worried about message boards. Someone heard it from somewhere and put it on a message board. If there is any truth, local media in Arizona and possibly ESPN could add fuel to it. Then you have to wonder as a recruit who is telling you the truth, coaches trying to sell you or the media.



Not my point at all. They simply don’t process guys out like other schools. So their numbers are lower which translate to lower ratings in some years. So the talent gap will look bigger than it likely is when you use class rankings as a metric.

Law and others make a good point about tracking blue chips as a percentage
You’re giving law too much credit here. He is new with understanding blue chip percentage is more important than being top 10. I actually went through most of this thread pulling up and saving a lot of his posts for a post-signing day swonkey extravaganza thread for the LoLs later

Not that he’s been wrong about a ton but he’s said an insanely amount of funny shyt in here that needs revisiting
 

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Not worried about message boards. Someone heard it from somewhere and put it on a message board. If there is any truth, local media in Arizona and possibly ESPN could add fuel to it. Then you have to wonder as a recruit who is telling you the truth, coaches trying to sell you or the media.

Calm yo'titties ... I was joking.
 

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You’re giving law too much credit here. He is new with understanding blue chip percentage is more important than being top 10. I actually went through most of this thread pulling up and saving a lot of his posts for a post-signing day swonkey extravaganza thread for the LoLs later

Not that he’s been wrong about a ton but he’s said an insanely amount of funny shyt in here that needs revisiting
Looking forward to reading them.
 

neteng

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I don't mind Donkey. I think he is realistic in his approach. He gives credit where it is due and throws shade where it needs to be thrown. After the last 8 years of misery it is best to be skeptical until it is obvious that it isn't miserable anymore and what good things we see aren't just a flash in the pan. We had a few flashes under Chump'n'Butters. To see him actually giving praise to Mullen is a good sign that we aren't seeing flash in the pans.
 

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. Greenard, Krull, and Shuler don't help our "Talent Composite" much due to being 3-stars out of HS....but they have certainly matured into 4-star type talent.
Yeah, if you can wait a few years and filter out the good 3 stars, you have a much better success rate :)
 

Swamp Donkey

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Well if your not catching up from coaching changes you should be signing about 22 a year. 22 a year times 5 years is 110 players that could be on your roster and you only have 85 slots. So a mature program that has not had a bunch of coaching changes will usually not have 25 open slots most years.
Yes, if there were some mythical program that didn't lose kids to the NFL or have kids transfer get injured or otherwise leave.

we are certainly not that program. nor is anyone else.
 

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Yes, if there were some mythical program that didn't lose kids to the NFL or have kids transfer get injured or otherwise leave.

we are certainly not that program. nor is anyone else.

No the mythical team that redshirts every player, loses no one to the NFL early, has no career ending injuries etc can sign 17 players a year, ie 17*5 = 85. The 22 per year is allowing for a decent amount of attrition from leaving early to the NFL, playing as true frosh, transfers, DQ injuries etc. Basically it allows for attrition of 2 per class per year. Now maybe that number should slide up now that more players are playing as true frosh, but with the new redshirt rule redshirting may go back up to historical levels and 22 might still be about right.
 

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