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YLGator

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Don't go global; the percentages that matter are the percentages of the three stars on this Gator team versus the 57 per cent of three stars on the preseason all sec team.
I expected the kickers don't count excuse. Never want to deal with the facts. Always want to massage the facts to suit astrology.
Ok, here are some facts.

The first team All SEC team announced today (offense, defense and special teams) breaks out as follows with regards to stars.

5 stars - 7 (27%)
4 stars - 11 (42%)
3 stars - 5 (19%)
2 stars - 3 (12%)

The typical distribution of stars on any given recruiting class is as follows

5 stars - 30 (0.8%)
4 stars - 350 (10%)
3 stars - 1,300 (36%)
2 stars - 1,900 (53%)

So, 5 stars make up less than 1% of recruits, but represent 27% of the first team All SEC team and 4 stars make up only 10% of recruits but represent 42% of the first team All SEC team. At the same time, 2 and 3 stars make up 89% of recruits but only represent 31% of the first team All SEC team, 2 of which (8%) are kickers.

I think those facts speak for themselves.
 

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Youre wasting your time w the fvktard twins.

Weve been over this about 10,000 times.
 

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At some point someone has to play safety. Even the Butters garbage will be gone soon.
It seems to me that we have some (Stewart, others?) pretty good safety prospects on hand now, with hopefully more about to arrive. But for the life of me, I can't remember a muddier, less confidence inspiring situation at those two positions. IMHO, Coach English could be replaced with a concrete bullfrog - with no major drop-off in either coaching or recruiting.
 

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Ok, here are some facts.

The first team All SEC team announced today (offense, defense and special teams) breaks out as follows with regards to stars.

5 stars - 7 (27%)
4 stars - 11 (42%)
3 stars - 5 (19%)
2 stars - 3 (12%)

The typical distribution of stars on any given recruiting class is as follows

5 stars - 30 (0.8%)
4 stars - 350 (10%)
3 stars - 1,300 (36%)
2 stars - 1,900 (53%)

So, 5 stars make up less than 1% of recruits, but represent 27% of the first team All SEC team and 4 stars make up only 10% of recruits but represent 42% of the first team All SEC team. At the same time, 2 and 3 stars make up 89% of recruits but only represent 31% of the first team All SEC team, 2 of which (8%) are kickers.

I think those facts speak for themselves.
It is hard for you to understand that the discussion is about Gator players. Do the best you can.
 

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So am I supposed to be excited that we have less All SEC offensive and defensive players than Mizzu, but managed to find a couple of 3 star diamonds in the rough?
 

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So am I supposed to be excited that we have less All SEC offensive and defensive players than Mizzu, but managed to find a couple of 3 star diamonds in the rough?

I would bet the house that we have more talent and we end up with more All-SEC players at the end of the year than Mizzou.
 

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I would bet the house that we have more talent and we end up with more All-SEC players at the end of the year than Mizzou.
Mizzu scares me far more than scUM. We don't match up well with them at all.
 

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Ok, here are some facts.

The first team All SEC team announced today (offense, defense and special teams) breaks out as follows with regards to stars.

5 stars - 7 (27%)
4 stars - 11 (42%)
3 stars - 5 (19%)
2 stars - 3 (12%)

The typical distribution of stars on any given recruiting class is as follows

5 stars - 30 (0.8%)
4 stars - 350 (10%)
3 stars - 1,300 (36%)
2 stars - 1,900 (53%)

So, 5 stars make up less than 1% of recruits, but represent 27% of the first team All SEC team and 4 stars make up only 10% of recruits but represent 42% of the first team All SEC team. At the same time, 2 and 3 stars make up 89% of recruits but only represent 31% of the first team All SEC team, 2 of which (8%) are kickers.

I think those facts speak for themselves.

Those averages speak nothing about whether the three star players that are signed by the top schools tend to pan out more than the three star players that go to mid-major schools or even lower level power conference schools.

The averages you presented are facts. But since statistics are random variables they have less meaning than the would have you would present some variances (also facts) with them. Do you have those?
 

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Those averages speak nothing about whether the three star players that are signed by the top schools tend to pan out more than the three star players that go to mid-major schools or even lower level power conference schools.

The averages you presented are facts. But since statistics are random variables they have less meaning than the would have you would present some variances (also facts) with them. Do you have those?

Or, we could narrow it to the percentages of each star level in average SEC classes the last 5 years, so it’s a consistent pool. And that would address the SEC evaluations, eliminating the MAC and others.

I don’t have that much free time this weekend but maybe I can compile that in a week or 2.
 

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Those averages speak nothing about whether the three star players that are signed by the top schools tend to pan out more than the three star players that go to mid-major schools or even lower level power conference schools.

The averages you presented are facts. But since statistics are random variables they have less meaning than the would have you would present some variances (also facts) with them. Do you have those?
Some long time coaches probably have recruited enough to have valid statistics. I would love to see the recruiting results for long time coaches. Do any"three star whisperers" exist? If there were enough coaches with sufficient recruits then it might ("might" I say) be possible to identify coaches who are particularly good, or bad, at evaluating and developing.
 

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Those averages speak nothing about whether the three star players that are signed by the top schools tend to pan out more than the three star players that go to mid-major schools or even lower level power conference schools.

The averages you presented are facts. But since statistics are random variables they have less meaning than the would have you would present some variances (also facts) with them. Do you have those?
Do you? You're the one make an assertion.

You are probably correct of course. Everyone know that a high three star like Perine, for whom we were fighting off other SEC schools, is a better player than the piles of Butters and Randy Shannon trash we stole from FAU and FIU or someother kid who is down to Pitt or Indiana.

However, even that is actually pretty accurately portrayed in Rivals 6.1 scale, a much better scale IMO. Those "high threes" are rated at 5.7 while the Butters/FIU trash are rated at 5.5.

Someone had data recently showing that the High 4* (think Wilson and CJ Henderson) were statistically just as successful as the 5*, and like wise with the high 3* being just as successful the low 4*.

Or you can just do the data yourself.
 

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If there were enough coaches with sufficient recruits then it might ("might" I say) be possible to identify coaches who are particularly good, or bad, at evaluating and developing.
Im sure there are 3 star whisperers. Unfortunately Mullinz may be one of them.

However, the problem is that some of the elite 4 and 5 star whisperers know how to develop the bluechips they land too. Saban, Creyer, maybe Dabo will prove himself, etc.

There are of course bluechip recruiters who suck at developing players (Richt, Kirby Shart, Ron Zook), but we don't really care bc that isnt the standard at UF either.
 

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Those averages speak nothing about whether the three star players that are signed by the top schools tend to pan out more than the three star players that go to mid-major schools or even lower level power conference schools.

The averages you presented are facts. But since statistics are random variables they have less meaning than the would have you would present some variances (also facts) with them. Do you have those?
If you have a theory you'd like to propose, I'd suggest you dig up the supporting data yourself. I've already made my point.
 

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If you have a theory you'd like to propose, I'd suggest you dig up the supporting data yourself. I've already made my point.

Not really. You presented no evidence that the averages presented were actually different rather than just an artifact of a particular sample. That is what variances (or standard deviation) can show.

So you made no point. You just presented some averages that might not be statistically different from each other that is might be the same number or maybe they actually are different, you need a measure of dispersion to know.
 

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Not really. You presented no evidence that the averages presented were actually different rather than just an artifact of a particular sample. That is what variances (or standard deviation) can show.

So you made no point. You just presented some averages that might not be statistically different from each other that is might be the same number or maybe they actually are different, you need a measure of dispersion to know.
Probably a millennial. They are proud to be innumerate. Knowing math is poor form.
 
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