Recruiting 2020 Recruiting Thread: Gervon Dexter gets 5th Star on Rivals

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McElame sank UF players for 3 years into chaos football, totally lapsed in preparation and on-field performance, and in FB IQ. Just the trying to think football must have plagued them into nauseous vertigo.
 

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Mac is in no way the measuring stick at UF. Mullen's job is to win championships. If he's not a closer, he needs to hire some. Seems he's starting to recognize that. Hope its not too late for him as I've actually been pleasantly surprised with his coaching ability. Won't do him any good if he keeps filling the team with high 3, low 4 star players.
currently, mac is the realistic measuring stick. Unless you just want to bitch? Mac made it to the SECCG, so the measuring stick first is to win the SEC imo.

I do agree Mullen needs to hire some closers. But I also understand he wanted guys he trusted to set his foundation at UF. The idea that it might be too late for Mullen is just silly.
 

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I feel like it's pretty tough to recruit for UF in this day and age. The locker rooms have been in shambles for a while. These kids were pretty young back when when the gators were winning championships, and let's face it, aside from a couple outlier years, we've been mediocre at best since Meyer left. Alabama and Clemson have been engrained into their minds. I think that Mullen knows he's got to pick it up on the trail (hints the Frey hire) and I believe he will. Sorry for the optimism lol
 

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currently, mac is the realistic measuring stick. Unless you just want to *****? Mac made it to the SECCG, so the measuring stick first is to win the SEC imo.

I do agree Mullen needs to hire some closers. But I also understand he wanted guys he trusted to set his foundation at UF. The idea that it might be too late for Mullen is just silly.

I agree that the expectation is SEC championships. Not sure how any Mac comparison fits with that expectation. Saying Mullen is doing better than Mac is meaningless and simply lowers the bar.
 

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I agree that the expectation is SEC championships. Not sure how any Mac comparison fits with that expectation. Saying Mullen is doing better than Mac is meaningless and simply lowers the bar.
Do you have a realistic time frame that you expect Mullen to win a SEC championship?

I think you are letting your mac hate blind you. Mac went to multiple SECCGs, right? Well, to improve on that Mullen needs to win a SEC championship. We all want to get back to where SOS had us, or where Meyer improved on SOS considering your personal views. But a team has to take a path there, not just teleport. Maybe this is the year. Maybe its next year, or the year after. I just want to keep showing improvement and an upwards trend.
 

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Mac went to multiple SECCGs, right?
Bammer's spring game was more competition for them. That was hardly even a scrimmage. We had people declaring moral victories if we managed to score an offensive TD at all.

We went to those games, but to call that a championship is just as embarrassing as considering Methzu a dynasty bc they went twice also. It really doesn't say much more than how awful the east was.
 

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Do you have a realistic time frame that you expect Mullen to win a SEC championship?

I think you are letting your mac hate blind you. Mac went to multiple SECCGs, right? Well, to improve on that Mullen needs to win a SEC championship. We all want to get back to where SOS had us, or where Meyer improved on SOS considering your personal views. But a team has to take a path there, not just teleport. Maybe this is the year. Maybe its next year, or the year after. I just want to keep showing improvement and an upwards trend.

Dude, you have to be a troll. Your posts read like Gators would be posting on rival boards about how they should just accept and be happy with not winning, while acting like we are one of them. It also reads like your the guy who’s still at the first ****ty job you ever got and married the first woman to give it up.

We get it; You like to settle for and just be happy with hope for a bit better than what you have now, while constantly suggesting to others it’s good enough for the time being (no idea how long that time being is supposed to last). I must have missed that chapter on settling and lowering expectations in books about leadership and building greatness.
 

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Bammer's spring game was more competition for them. That was hardly even a scrimmage. We had people declaring moral victories if we managed to score an offensive TD at all.

We went to those games, but to call that a championship is just as embarrassing as considering Methzu a dynasty bc they went twice also. It really doesn't say much more than how awful the east was.
Sure, you can rationalize all you want, or make excuses, or whatever. But mcelwain still took UF to the SECCG. Mullen needs to do better than just getting there.
 

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Dude, you have to be a troll. Your posts read like Gators would be posting on rival boards about how they should just accept and be happy with not winning, while acting like we are one of them. It also reads like your the guy who’s still at the first ****ty job you ever got and married the first woman to give it up.

We get it; You like to settle for and just be happy with hope for a bit better than what you have now, while constantly suggesting to others it’s good enough for the time being (no idea how long that time being is supposed to last). I must have missed that chapter on settling and lowering expectations in books about leadership and building greatness.
Your comprehension stinks. First, why would a Gator post on a rival board? That's just stupid. Who said be happy with not winning? I never said that.

I get it, it's cool to bitch. Grown men need to vent, right? I'm not lowering any bar, I'm expecting SEC championships.

Funny, you used the word "building" in your post. Yet I'm the troll for supporting the build?
 

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Mac is in no way the measuring stick at UF. Mullen's job is to win championships. If he's not a closer, he needs to hire some. Seems he's starting to recognize that. Hope its not too late for him as I've actually been pleasantly surprised with his coaching ability. Won't do him any good if he keeps filling the team with high 3, low 4 star players.
McGumpy is not a measuring stick? That buffoon is the fool's gold standard for total failure as a professional and a man of any character at all. I do agree that Mullen has to find a way to up the ante in recruiting - or face eventual failure. I just had to give McDooshy his proper due.
 

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Do you have a realistic time frame that you expect Mullen to win a SEC championship?

I think you are letting your mac hate blind you. Mac went to multiple SECCGs, right? Well, to improve on that Mullen needs to win a SEC championship. We all want to get back to where SOS had us, or where Meyer improved on SOS considering your personal views. But a team has to take a path there, not just teleport. Maybe this is the year. Maybe its next year, or the year after. I just want to keep showing improvement and an upwards trend.
I don't give Mac a second thought. I've just found that if you don't demand greatness, you won't get it. I'm not interested in marginal improvement from rock bottom. Spurrier won the SEC on the field in his first season. Meyer won the SEC and the national title in his second. That's the measuring stick around here. Winners win and losers make excuses.
 

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Mullen needs to do better than just getting there.
I'm not sure what makes you think I don't believe this is the goal. Thought I'd been pretty clear. Could probably find a thousand posts where I said championships are the standard here, probably a thousand more that said there's no such thing as an East "championship".

However were three elite recruiting classes away from competing again. You have to be elite plus have depth in the SEC. it is what it is.
 
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When mickey mouse (mac) won a game, it was painful to watch and never felt like victory. He literally stumbled into the seccg. It had nothing to do with his coaching ability. Look, I really tried my best to support sharky because he was our coach like it or not and I always want our coaches to succeed. That said, he has to be the worst gator coach to ever step foot in the swamp. Maybe the worst ever in the SEC.
 

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What I wouldn't do for another Ellis Johnson........
He would never step on the field. He'd be on the sidelines with all the other defensive tackles that are too slow to cover a tight end on the crazy blitzes and line games.

We are not looking for two gap run-stoppers and have no use for them.

Our defense is 5 defensive backs, 4 outside linebackers and 1 defensive ends. Or 5-3-1- and 1 DT.
 
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From the 247 boards -- so who knows the accuracy -- looks good, though:

#1 overall class in 1992 (Wallace,, #5 Lemming)
#1 overall class in 2000 (Wallace & Lemming)
#2 overall class in 1995 (Lemming, #6 Wallace)
#3 overall class in 1997 (Wallace & Lemming)
#5 overall class in 1996 (Lemming, not in Wallace top-10)
#7 overall class in 1998 (Wallace, #8 Lemming)
#7 overall class in 1999 (Wallace, not in Lemming top-10)
#8 overall class in 1993 (Wallace, #9 Lemming)

UF was in neither service's top-10 in 1994 or 2001. Importantly, Spurrier never went 3 years without a class that ranked in the national top-5 of at least one of these 2 services. That's not quite what we see from Saban or Kirby Smart, but in my opinion, it's still elite.

UF's SEC class rankings for the 1992-2001 period are as follows:

1992 - #1 (Wallace & Lemming)
1993 - #3 (Wallace & Lemming)
1994 - unknown, not in national top-10
1995 - #1 (Wallace, #2 Lemming)
1996 - #2 (Lemming, not in Wallce national top-10)
1997 - #1 (Wallace, #2 Lemming)
1998 - #1 (Lemming, #3 Wallace)
1999 - #2 (Wallace, not in Lemming national top-10)
2000 - #1 (Wallace & Lemming)
2001 - unknown, not in national top-10)

So, Spurrier's classes were in the SEC's top-3 in 8 of the 10 classes for which we have data, including 5 which ranked #1 in one of the 2 services. I'd say that speaks for itself.

Spurrier's Recruiting from 1992-2001

Thanks for the stats.

But that 2000 class was the most overrated class of all time.
Florida 2000 Football Commits

As I recall the 1993 class was largely a bust, Fred Weary being a notable exception.
 

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I don't give Mac a second thought. I've just found that if you don't demand greatness, you won't get it. I'm not interested in marginal improvement from rock bottom. Spurrier won the SEC on the field in his first season. Meyer won the SEC and the national title in his second. That's the measuring stick around here. Winners win and losers make excuses.
Demand greatness? On a message board? Cmon.

Do you believe SOS or Meyer walked into similar situations to Mullen? Or does that not matter?
 

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Demand greatness? On a message board? Cmon.

Do you believe SOS or Meyer walked into similar situations to Mullen? Or does that not matter?
SOS was on probation, had severe recruiting restrictions, and scholarship reductions. He immediately went to work and landed top classes despite the scholarship limits. Mullins did not inherit that.

The situation inherited doesnt matters at all if you arent recruiting at an elite level and building a championship contender.

BTW, by next year Mullins owns 75 of the roster. These excuses are gone by then.
 

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SOS was on probation, had severe recruiting restrictions, and scholarship reductions. He immediately went to work and landed top classes despite the scholarship limits. Mullins did not inherit that.

The situation inherited doesnt matters at all if you arent recruiting at an elite level and building a championship contender.

BTW, by next year Mullins owns 75 of the roster. These excuses are gone by then.
SOS went 1-2 against ranked teams his first year, Mullen went 3-1. SOS went undefeated against unranked teams where Mullen lost 2. It's just childish to only look at the end result imo. I think it's pretty important to see how you get there. But then it's much more difficult to compare situations.

Recruiting at an elite level and building a championship contender? That's just personal opinion. What determines elite level recruiting? Who determines if a contender is being built?
 

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SOS was on probation, had severe recruiting restrictions, and scholarship reductions. He immediately went to work and landed top classes despite the scholarship limits. Mullins did not inherit that.

The situation inherited doesnt matters at all if you arent recruiting at an elite level and building a championship contender.

BTW, by next year Mullins owns 75 of the roster. These excuses are gone by then.



We’ve had plenty of 5 star busts....give me a guy that can develop his recruits into NFL picks any day. Mullen didn’t just fall off the watermelon wagon....
 
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