Can Franks hold on to the Number 1 QB spot?

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I agree. We saw some of this Franks last year. It’s not ideal, but we always knew that with him. Even his passion, has good and bad. I don’t like much of his personality, but it also is what makes him the guy who gives it his all, diving for the sticks on the first 3rd down, running and diving instead of sliding on the second drive, etc. It’s who he is and we have to take the good with the bad, IMO.
He has no passion for anything but himself and he clearly doesn't even know what giving it his all even means. He's in year 4 and is still clueless. Time to see what someone else can do. Anyone but Franks.
 

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I'm not sure he deserves to sit full time, but I don't see how Trask and/or Jones cannot earn some P/T. His check down to the RB has gotten old. Really needs to throw the ball down the field.
 

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He has no passion for anything but himself and he clearly doesn't even know what giving it his all even means. He's in year 4 and is still clueless. Time to see what someone else can do. Anyone but Franks.

Yeah, to be clear, if there’s a better option, I’m fine with exploring it.

But I just don’t see it that way with regards to his passion. The easiest thing to do would’ve been to transfer the moment his offense changed. If there was ever an argument for a change in setting, it was a QB after 2017 under JM. Instead, he immediately hit the weight room and got himself ready for more contact. He’s a willing runner who lays it out all the time. Again, not a fan of his personality in these cases, but I do think he cares and wants the best for UF.
 

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We'll have to agree to disagree. He ran for 8 yard on 7 carries yesterday. Makes no difference how willing he is. Dude just doesn't have it.
 

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Franks is an average QB with above average arm strength and size, meaning he isn't going to win awards or carry a team on his back to victory, but he is good enough to help the team win some games. Not only does he keep his job, but he'll improve some of his overall stats this year.

Don't get me wrong. He did not have a good night last night, but he did put up decent (average) stats and made a few good plays that helped the team win. His personality rubs people (especially the fans) the wrong way, which makes the bad stand out more than the good.
 

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This unfortunately. I don’t personally like it, but it’s our reality at this point. So many are looking forward to the next guy, and I’m not sure it’s going to be wildly different in that regard. I know. I have 2 young boys and spend about 90% of my life trying to cool their jets, especially the youngest. We’ve created this unwarranted cocky society and our players are going to be a product of that.

I still see signs that Franks can be really good. I don’t think Mullen did a particularly good job of making it easy on him, and Davis’ fumble should be viewed with as much angst as anything Franks did. He effectively fumbled twice on one play.

I’ve watched that pitch over and over. That is Davis fumble all the way. To his credit he did recover it and had we reviewed it we would have kept the ball. It’s just easier and fits the narrative to blame Franks.
 

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Franks is fine. 250+ yds, 3 tds with zero help in the run game and questionable play calling.

Only one of his passes was truly terrible (2nd int). This was a solid defense we faced in game 1, not surprised we had some sloppy play.

I’m more concerned with safety play and shaky tackling tbh
I agree. We saw some of this Franks last year. It’s not ideal, but we always knew that with him. Even his passion, has good and bad. I don’t like much of his personality, but it also is what makes him the guy who gives it his all, diving for the sticks on the first 3rd down, running and diving instead of sliding on the second drive, etc. It’s who he is and we have to take the good with the bad, IMO.

I understand your points of view, but I see it the opposite way. A lot of the problem with the run game has to do with Franks. Miami often played riskier in coverage (and on one occasion got burned) to stop the run. It was the smart plan and almost worked.

Miami highlighted our weakest point. Hopefully they end up much better than expected, and this will be one of Franks' worst games of the year. But in my view, the play calling was a crutch to Franks (b/c despite what they say publicly, the coaches clearly don't trust Franks with the reigns to this offense). So many short dinks and outs called for him to make easy throws (some of which he still screwed up). Franks looked more like a Freshman QB learning the system than Williams.

Of course, Franks being Franks, he mixes in a connection on a long bomb, and gets credit for a 66 yd Toney TD run to pad his passing stats (actually, those 2 plays were over half his stats on the day). And therein lies the problem. Wild inconsistency. Because when you're the focal point of the offense and more than half your stats come from 2 plays, what you're doing the rest of the game usually isn't good enough. No offensive rhythm, no sustained possession, and leaving your defense out there an extra 13 minutes (granted, a slight bit of that was their own fault).

And yeah, the converse is true, too. If he didn't throw two UFO's maybe he'd have 400 yards and 4 TDs, and we wouldn't be having this discussion. But he did, and the fact that it's par for the course during his career is the problem.

As for Franks' running ability. Diving for the line to gain is the minimum acceptable performance standard. Knowing where the line actually is before/during your run, reading the lanes and actually running when it's open, and/or actually standing up and taking a hit in attempt to fall forward and get that extra yard or two could move him up above minimum. But he rarely if ever does any of that as a runner.

Tackling improves, once you get to be a Senior game-IQ usually doesn't. My primary concern is Franks.
 

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Yeah, to be clear, if there’s a better option, I’m fine with exploring it.

But I just don’t see it that way with regards to his passion. The easiest thing to do would’ve been to transfer the moment his offense changed. If there was ever an argument for a change in setting, it was a QB after 2017 under JM. Instead, he immediately hit the weight room and got himself ready for more contact. He’s a willing runner who lays it out all the time. Again, not a fan of his personality in these cases, but I do think he cares and wants the best for UF.

Yeah there has to be a reason his teammates like him and have his back. Particularly Jefferson, Grimes and Hammond....and now Copeland. Perine as well. It’s Hammonds opinion which matters most to me though. He’s the veteran leader with the most clout in the locker room.
 

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I understand your points of view, but I see it the opposite way. A lot of the problem with the run game has to do with Franks. Miami often played riskier in coverage (and on one occasion got burned) to stop the run. It was the smart plan and almost worked.

Miami highlighted our weakest point. Hopefully they end up much better than expected, and this will be one of Franks' worst games of the year. But in my view, the play calling was a crutch to Franks (b/c despite what they say publicly, the coaches clearly don't trust Franks with the reigns to this offense). So many short dinks and outs called for him to make easy throws (some of which he still screwed up). Franks looked more like a Freshman QB learning the system than Williams.

Of course, Franks being Franks, he mixes in a connection on a long bomb, and gets credit for a 66 yd Toney TD run to pad his passing stats (actually, those 2 plays were over half his stats on the day). And therein lies the problem. Wild inconsistency. Because when you're the focal point of the offense and more than half your stats come from 2 plays, what you're doing the rest of the game usually isn't good enough. No offensive rhythm, no sustained possession, and leaving your defense out there an extra 13 minutes (granted, a slight bit of that was their own fault).

And yeah, the converse is true, too. If he didn't throw two UFO's maybe he'd have 400 yards and 4 TDs, and we wouldn't be having this discussion. But he did, and the fact that it's par for the course during his career is the problem.

As for Franks' running ability. Diving for the line to gain is the minimum acceptable performance standard. Knowing where the line actually is before/during your run, reading the lanes and actually running when it's open, and/or actually standing up and taking a hit in attempt to fall forward and get that extra yard or two could move him up above minimum. But he rarely if ever does any of that as a runner.

Tackling improves, once you get to be a Senior game-IQ usually doesn't. My primary concern is Franks.

You make some good points but it also illustrates how we hold FF to a different standard because we dislike him. You simply can’t discount his 2 biggest plays and then hype his 2 worst. Let’s hope he pads his stats every week with a few big plays.

But you hit on his biggest negative. Consistency. Or lack there of. This is where he needs his most improvement. His game to game consistency overall has improved. It’s his series to series consistency where he needs to tighten up. Too many big swings within a game.
 

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You make some good points but it also illustrates how we hold FF to a different standard because we dislike him. You simply can’t discount his 2 biggest plays and then hype his 2 worst. Let’s hope he pads his stats every week with a few big plays.

But you hit on his biggest negative. Consistency. Or lack there of. This is where he needs his most improvement. His game to game consistency overall has improved. It’s his series to series consistency where he needs to tighten up. Too many big swings within a game.

Well I don't really think I hold him to a higher standard. If anything, personally, I think I've given him more leeway trying to make sure I'm as objective as possible. I feel like I've lowered the bar of what I would hope a UF QB would be in order to maybe find a way to be content with Franks. And to be clear, if the team plays well, and the offense starts putting sustained (and scoring) drives together consistently - I don't care what his stats are, or how many of them come from just 2 plays.

But until that time comes, all we have to judge him on are the performances he's given us. Sure, he shows a lot of potential, always has. But at some point the potential has to start reaping dividends or it's time to sell. For certain, CDM has a difficult and subjective cost/benefit analysis to do with his QB's.

And I'm not discounting his 2 biggest plays at all. I'm recognizing them. But also recognizing that having your QB's 2 biggest plays be the majority of his day (and one of them being a glorified handoff) probably isn't the recipe for success in an offense. I was also recognizing, that if he were more consistent, skilled, and prepared he probably would have had a bundle more yards and possibly 2 more TD's (in which case my first point would have been moot, and the game would have been won going away).

As the saying goes, prior performance is the best predictor... I'm not calling for his head, but I'm saying, if he wants to keep playing QB at UF, he needs to put up or shut up. I don't care about his media PR blitz on how hard he's worked, and how he's ready. Show me. Prove it. If he plays like he says he's ready to, then any objective UF fan is gonna support him. But if he goes out vs UK or UT and plays like today, then any objective fan should probably be ready to call time on his career here.

I truly hope it's the former, b/c this year could be special if he plays up to the potential we've been told he has - and I don't think any reasonable person would expect the season as a whole to have the same potential while bleeding in a RSF (or Trask) QB. So the best outcome is Franks playing well. BUT, if after a few more games nothing has changed, then you have to cut your losses. That's my thesis.
 
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We'll have to agree to disagree. He ran for 8 yard on 7 carries yesterday. Makes no difference how willing he is. Dude just doesn't have it.
This may be true. Unfortunately there is no cure for FFS syndrome. He's a more flamboyant Driskel. Or maybe, just maybe, he'll prove us wrong and 'shush all the haters.' Stay tuned Gator Nation.
 

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Franks is fine. 250+ yds, 3 tds with zero help in the run game and questionable play calling.

Only one of his passes was truly terrible (2nd int). This was a solid defense we faced in game 1, not surprised we had some sloppy play.

I’m more concerned with safety play and shaky tackling tbh

Feleipe Franks threw for 254 yards, more than any other QB against Miami all last season.

His 63% completion rate was better than any team that threw 5 or more passes.

His 2 passing touchdowns would have tied for first.

All behind an OL breaking in 4 new starters.
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True, although Franks has 2 or 3 good carries. We already know how I feel about the screen game as well, which certainly would have given Toney the ball more
 

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Feleipe Franks threw for 254 yards, more than any other QB against Miami all last season.

His 63% completion rate was better than any team that threw 5 or more passes.

His 2 passing touchdowns would have tied for first.

All behind an OL breaking in 4 new starters.
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Making a pigs ear look like a silk purse....
 

GatorKen714

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Feleipe Franks threw for 254 yards, more than any other QB against Miami all last season.

His 63% completion rate was better than any team that threw 5 or more passes.

His 2 passing touchdowns would have tied for first.

All behind an OL breaking in 4 new starters.
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Quit messing up everyone's FF hate with facts....
 

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