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Armchair Qb's expect perfection because they've never tried to execute a play with 11 other guys trying to stop them. I don't care for his antics but I do see improvement in his play. I can only hope he continues to progress and Mullen can scheme around his weaknesses.
 

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You guys still don't get it. This isn't about Franks' performance against a high school team, it's about his performance going forward. I expect him to be horrible, you guys expect him to be great. Only time will tell who is right.

All I'm saying is to prepare yourself. There are going to be many, many Franks threads to come following the upcoming, painful games.

Who expects him to be great? I don’t because he is not a great QB. But just because I don’t think he is great doesn’t mean I will agree he played a bad game Saturday night. He played a fine game. It is ridiculous to say otherwise.
 

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Nobody is gonna he happy until Mullen is fired and FF is run out of town on a rail...I’m cautiously optimistic...but I’m harboring some reservations about our run game and the ability for FF to progress through his reads...but we knew what we had at the beginning of the season...I don’t get the panic or the need to trash the whole program...we’re a few seasons away from really competing and we all knew this...wtf is everyone overreacting for?
Only thing I really disagree with here is "we're a few seasons away", because unless recruiting improves we'll be a 8 or 9, sometimes 10 win team (with a few breaks). Perhaps that's just the reality of Gator Football now.
 

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The cumulative yardage lost on all the completions due to “sabotaged” placement was 10 yards or less. You are just reaching because you can’t just say he “had a fine game but has work to do”. I can.

#17 was the first pass of the 3q. You are thinking of #16. The Hail Mary with 2 seconds left in the end zone. It was not hero ball. Are you kidding me? It was a called play to take a shot at the end of a half.

He had a real fine game and has stuff to work on.
Your ridiculous need to pump has obviously decided to turn off common sense and blocked anything negative about Franks out:



5:50 in the video, 12:45ish in the third. Complete Franks hero ball. I’m sorry to subject you to something you’re trying very hard to believe isn’t real. Tough to believe you watched this at least 3 times and missed it on each occasion.

It’s alright to be critical. He was basically passing against air on those short throws which is why you’d expect each one to be placed well. You’d also expect him not to heave a pass into double coverage in the end zone off his back foot. But, as I’ve said numerous times, it’s not him I’m worried about per se. It’s the OL come SEC play. If we can’t open running lanes and Franks starts getting pressured... not a good recipe.
 

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Your ridiculous need to pump has obviously decided to turn off common sense and blocked anything negative about Franks out:



5:50 in the video, 12:45ish in the third. Complete Franks hero ball. I’m sorry to subject you to something you’re trying very hard to believe isn’t real. Tough to believe you watched this at least 3 times and missed it on each occasion.

It’s alright to be critical. He was basically passing against air on those short throws which is why you’d expect each one to be placed well. You’d also expect him not to heave a pass into double coverage in the end zone off his back foot. But, as I’ve said numerous times, it’s not him I’m worried about per se. It’s the OL come SEC play. If we can’t open running lanes and Franks starts getting pressured... not a good recipe.[/QUOTE

This entire conversation has been about completions. Of course the 2 incompletions were not perfectly placed. I never missed these. I was charting the 25 completions and whether FF sabotaged our success. I concede the 2 incompletions out of 27 attempts. We all have high expectations and hope to God he gets to the point he completes 100%.

I agree nothing wrong being critical as warranted. As Ox says we will have opportunities to crush this Gator when he actually plays a poor game. Why do it now?

He had a real fine game and has stuff to work on.
 

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Armchair Qb's expect perfection because they've never tried to execute a play with 11 other guys trying to stop them. I don't care for his antics but I do see improvement in his play. I can only hope he continues to progress and Mullen can scheme around his weaknesses.
My main issue is except for getting good at having some air under the ball on his deep throws I don't think we are going to see much difference based on that game despite the completion % etc. on all that dink and dunk stuff.
 
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How many penalties did we have? Fumbles? I wasn't able to watch the game, so I'm just curious.
I watched the highlights and it looked like we executed the plays well, but of course against inferior competition.
We were sloppy against Miami but it was the first game. Not making excuses but a lot of teams were sloppy and lost their opening games (against what was perceived to be inferior opponents).
My major concern in the scum game was the lack of discipline (turnovers, penalties, and sideline antics) along with a lack of aggressiveness on the OL. It appears that our OL will be a work in progress, but that is to be expected.
But seriously, did anyone think that we were going to learn anything from this game? We could have won 100-0 and I don't think it would've made much of a difference.
We'll learn much more about this team against Kentucky before the next two fcs teams.
Then we have Auburn.

No turnovers which is good. Though Trask had one terrible throw that should have been.
Stone had two holding penalties .
I can't recall any real mental mistakes (false starts, lining up neutral zone,offsides) which was good to see.
I thought our tight ends would be an upgrade, which they are in the passing game. But we are missing C'yontai
blocking to help the OL.
 

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The cumulative yardage lost on all the completions due to “sabotaged” placement was 10 yards or less

I like that watching the game three times has given you the power to see into alternative universes where Franks helps his receivers out with better ball placement. Cool trick.
 

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Only thing I really disagree with here is "we're a few seasons away", because unless recruiting improves we'll be a 8 or 9, sometimes 10 win team (with a few breaks). Perhaps that's just the reality of Gator Football now.

I’m saying best case scenario with great recruiting classes...we all knew we weren’t gonna take on Bama and Clemson this season and if someone did they’re delusional...we need marked improvement in recruiting and for Mullen to our coach and strategize against better competition...we all know the next month is gonna be critical before the Auburn game and that’s where we’ll see if we’re gonna rise up or fall on our faces...either way I’m here cheering on the O&B without my same colored glasses on just observing and enjoying
 

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I don’t know what happened but I responded above.
It got included typed before the /quote. Happens.

Again, the dude was completing short throws against air. You’d expect him to complete the vast majority. But don’t whistle past his hero ball (a troubling trend - he’s done it twice in two games but had finally cut it out last season towards the end) or poorly placed throws. SEC teams will be pressing the WRs and he’ll be under pressure. Those passes will have much bigger impacts then.

I’ll agree to disagree. I don’t think he’s awful or believe he’s the biggest threat to success. I do think he has regressed from those last 4 games in 2018. Hopefully he proves me wrong and you right going forward. I do want him to succeed.
 

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Our QB situation is not perfect and it never will be. Coach Mullen has Franks reciting the Hippocratic Oath. Sort of like the Tebow promise Felipe must swear "first do no harm". The Miami game tested the oath with the second pick and the fumbled exchange. However game 2 was was clean. He is our QB and not only is he expected to win , he is required not to lose. As said by other posts the biggest concern I see is our OL. We are not physical enough to consistently open holes against SEC D lines. Mullen is one of the best offense coaches in the game, and he knows that the OL is the issue. He understands that smash mouth ball will not work ,so we see a lot more of the receiver screens and "gimmick" plays to move the ball. Our OL play should improve as the season unfolds and if so we will be able to showcase our running game. At this point our offense appears to in the hands of our WR'S and RBs out of the backfield. Unless we plan to go for every 4th down I don't see this being a consistent offense,
I agree that Franks needs to better execute the RPO to spread out defenses and make them respect his running and passing. Second he needs to quit responding to the negativity and use it to motivate himself to focus on playing at a higher level. He is what he is, and his biggest value to the team is to be a leader and don't make mistakes. Our coaches need to coach up the "big nasties" on the line and get them ready for SEC competition. If not basketball won't get here soon enough.
 

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He had a combined 53.80 QB rating against ranked opponents last year. That included a Michigan defense without six of its starters.
Actual QB rating or the ESPN QBR? Because the ESPN one is on a scale of 1-100.

I also just looked it up, and here are his regular QB rating and QBR for MSU, LSU, UGA, and Michigan last year:

MSU: 123.9 & 78.8
LSU: 99.3 & 68.7
UGA: 110.1 & 73.1
UM: 134.1 & 88.8

So I don’t know what kind of voodoo math you’re doing, unless you were just exaggerating, which wouldn’t surprise me because that’s what people do around here when they know they’re wrong.
 

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Actual QB rating or the ESPN QBR? Because the ESPN one is on a scale of 1-100.

I also just looked it up, and here are his regular QB rating and QBR for MSU, LSU, UGA, and Michigan last year:

MSU: 123.9 & 78.8
LSU: 99.3 & 68.7
UGA: 110.1 & 73.1
UM: 134.1 & 88.8

So I don’t know what kind of voodoo math you’re doing, unless you were just exaggerating, which wouldn’t surprise me because that’s what people do around here when they know they’re wrong.
PFF score perhaps? I know he doesn’t get high grades there typically. They had him as the 8th best QB in the SEC and the 43rd overall coming into the season. Torched him after the Miami game too.

Feleipe Franks needs to improve to give Gators a chance in the SEC | College Football and NFL Draft | PFF
 

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Actual QB rating or the ESPN QBR? Because the ESPN one is on a scale of 1-100.

I also just looked it up, and here are his regular QB rating and QBR for MSU, LSU, UGA, and Michigan last year:

MSU: 123.9 & 78.8
LSU: 99.3 & 68.7
UGA: 110.1 & 73.1
UM: 134.1 & 88.8

So I don’t know what kind of voodoo math you’re doing, unless you were just exaggerating, which wouldn’t surprise me because that’s what people do around here when they know they’re wrong.
ESPN. Go do the math, coaster boy. My combined number against ranked opponents is accurate, and on a 1-100 scale reveals him for what he is, at best average, at worst a total bomb against good defenses.

Of course, we know what people who are wrong do. They find a way to twist the statistics in their favor.
 

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ESPN. Go do the math, coaster boy. My combined number against ranked opponents is accurate, and on a 1-100 scale reveals him for what he is, at best average, at worst a total bomb against good defenses.

Of course, we know what people who are wrong do. They find a way to twist the statistics in their favor.
So you’re saying his combined QB rating is lower than all of the single game ratings? :lol:

Leave the football and math to smart people, sport.
 

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ESPN. Go do the math, coaster boy. My combined number against ranked opponents is accurate, and on a 1-100 scale reveals him for what he is, at best average, at worst a total bomb against good defenses.

Of course, we know what people who are wrong do. They find a way to twist the statistics in their favor.

Or maybe you are the one twisting the stats. Personally, all the games under Butters'n'Nuss don't count.
 

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So wtf is it. Do we hate our starting QB because he is terrible or do we support him as learns to play the position and continues to lead us to wins..............Its hard to keep up with you guys. I must be prehistoric school (as opposed to old) We cheered for the team, the QB, the cheerleaders, the coaches and anything else that paraded around in orange and blue. All this hate from society has spilled over into one of my favorite diversions (slowly becoming a perversion).......... FOR ...F-L-O-R-I-D-A
 

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ESPN. Go do the math, coaster boy. My combined number against ranked opponents is accurate, and on a 1-100 scale reveals him for what he is, at best average, at worst a total bomb against good defenses.

Of course, we know what people who are wrong do. They find a way to twist the statistics in their favor.

Franks numbers were really pedestrian last season when the 3 cupcake FCS and non-power 5 conference games were taken out.
 

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