Recruiting 2020 Recruiting Thread: Gervon Dexter gets 5th Star on Rivals

[Slevin]

not to mention great coaches, lots of wins, and a bunch of conference and national championships.

In all seriousness tho, even if the argument is won squarely by you all this really shows is that all these recruiting stats and metrics leave out something significant bc the gap between the gators and clemson is stratospheric.

I mean we’re ugly. But 13-3 16 games in isn’t that bad.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

I mean we’re ugly. But 13-3 16 games in isn’t that bad.

on the surface I agree, but just like the recruiting metrics, there's always more nuance to it.

I've always had a knack for seeing a good one early on when they appeared. I'll admit that dabo didn't fit the mold as he was a slow burner but is now roaring. Outside of that err however I've pretty much nailed the rest of them right out of the gate. There's just something different and noticeably so about the special guys. You can feel it as a fan if your lucky enough to be the recipient of the hire, and you can see it happening for other teams when it starts. I've just never had that feeling with Mullen. Often the feeling he gives me during the games is something I'd prefer to forget. It is what it is, he's not going anywhere for a while. Hope for the best, it's all we can do.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

We play a 9 game schedule now? You realize we only have 7 games left, right?

How about this - I accept your bet. And..... you lose. We can work out terms later.

No, you said he'd get to .500 this year.

That is the bet.

Secondary bet that he doesn't get to .500 before getting fired. That one I'm less sure about. He might barely make it in year four.

 

[ThreatMatrix]

The talent composite was 17th in 2017 and moved to 12 just with the transition class. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Blue chip percentage is currently at 53% with all attrition accounted for with 38 4 stars and 1 five star in the composite and an .89 grade which is ding ding a bonafide blue chip percentage.

Butters 2017 team had a whopping 51 3 stars/2 stars on the roster and a paltry 28 four stars/5 stars. His 2016 team with that lovely class you just mentioned gave the entire roster a boner inducing 24 blue chippers and 50 3 stars or below.

With Mullen single transition class and attrition, we went to 35 blue chips to 43 non blue chips.

With a transition class and a full class which you rag on consistently we sit at 39 blue chippers and 35 non blue chippers.

There seems to be a trend but I just... can’t... put.. my finger


Oh no wait it’s the blue chip percentage increasing. That’s what it is.


Edit add on: Clemson’s current talent composit is .8944 and Florida’s is .8910 and Clemson has the benefit of 6 more five stars. To even try to argue that Florida has gotten worse is ridiculous

Clemson plays in the ACC, let's stop comparing ourselves to them

You're comparing Florida teams with Florida teams. That would be great if we were playing ourselves. The talent composite is ranking teams compared with everybody else. That's prolly what has you confused.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

June is gonna be huge, bc of secret commits. #twittertruths

 

[BMF]

UF is trying to get the new RB offer on campus - Henry Parrish. He's ranked 360 by 247, which is a borderline 4-star. He's gotten an offer from South Carolina, UF, and Ohio State recently and wants to OV to all three schools. He's committed to Pitt. He's on the same team w/ Xzavier Henderson, CJ's little brother (between UF and Clemson), he also has a teammate who's a SDE committed to Miami. UF is trying to get all three to visit for the Auburn game:

 

[ThreatMatrix]

It says he's committed to Miami. He looks like a cane.

 

[SeabeeGator]

No, you said he'd get to .500 this year.

That is the bet.

Secondary bet that he doesn't get to .500 before getting fired. That one I'm less sure about. He might barely make it in year four.

I said he might. No guarantees. I think October is going to be brutal so I’m not taking that. If Auburn was swapped for Arky or Ole Miss I might.

 

[Ancient Reptile]

not to mention great coaches, lots of wins, and a bunch of conference and national championships.

In all seriousness tho, even if the argument is won squarely by you all this really shows is that all these recruiting stats and metrics leave out something significant bc the gap between the gators and clemson is stratospheric.

Ding! Ding! We have a winner! Of course, some of us have been trying to tell you guys that for years.

 

[gatorkev85]

And this is where things go off the rails with some of you. If you want to fire him tomorrow, so be it. I don't think he's in any way above criticism through his first year and a half on the job, especially when it comes to recruiting and recruiting staff. But let's be clear. He took arguably the worst school in the SECW that was in absolute disarray at the time and made them competitive immediately, reached the school's first ever(I think) #1 ranking along with several other school-best accomplishments, all while going through an absolute gauntlet every season, playing the eventual NC winner or runner up something like 10 or 12 times. And yes, he never beat Saban, but with Msu talent he had a competitive game with him the Tide a majority of the time, and had our 2009 team on the ropes, going 1-1 against Meyer. As I said, hate him. Hate the offense. Criticize the recruiting. Fire him tomorrow. But saying none of what he did at one of the toughest jobs in the SEC impressed you sounds ridiculous and skews much of your other opinions.

People love to talk about reaching #1 but they never talk about the fact that the 3 teams they beat that were all ranked inside the top 10 failed to win more than 6 games that year. So if you reach #1 by default because the teams they beat ended up being highly overrated should it even matter.

Mullen is a great coach and developer I'm not taking that away from him but he will never compete with the elite teams unless he recruits at a higher level period.

 

[Slevin]

Clemson plays in the ACC, let's stop comparing ourselves to them

You're comparing Florida teams with Florida teams. That would be great if we were playing ourselves. The talent composite is ranking teams compared with everybody else. That's prolly what has you confused.

Lol aaaaaaaand the goal posts are moved again.

Definitely don’t compare it to a two time national champion who has blown out Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Alabama in the playoffs. God forbid.

So we’re comparing it to Miami? 19 years removed from a national champion? FSU? 6 years removed? Or sec teams? LSU? 12 years removed. Georgia? 40 years removed. Texas am? 100 years removed. How about the rest of the country above us: usc, Texas, Penn State, Michigan, auburn? Those teams are just running circles around our little program huh matrix.

Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, all have 85 man rosters and are just a fraction of points ahead of Florida in the composite who only has 78 players. For Florida to be a fraction away with way less 5 stars and overall players means there’s good Beef in the middle of the roster while other teams have greater fluctuation at the top end but also at the bottom.


Yeah so these programs sure as hell are setting the standard for national championships + recruiting standards aren’t they. It most certainly wouldn’t be the team that won one only a couple hundred days ago.

We absolutely need to get better at recruiting but you are wrong when saying we are getting worse and will be worse than Quiverlips 2018 roster. You clearly pulled that straight out of your ass

 

[GatorJ]

It’s rare that highly rated kids commit during their senior season. It’s usually during the summer or after the season ends. I have no idea how it’s all going to pan out but we’re not going to know anything until December.

That’s just the way it is.

 

[soflagator]

People love to talk about reaching #1 but they never talk about the fact that the 3 teams they beat that were all ranked inside the top 10 failed to win more than 6 games that year. So if you reach #1 by default because the teams they beat ended up being highly overrated should it even matter.

Mullen is a great coach and developer I'm not taking that away from him but he will never compete with the elite teams unless he recruits at a higher level period.

I won’t even debate the exact scenario of 2014, as I don’t remember the specifics. But that sounds right. In any event, I don’t care if they barely cracked the Top-8. For that program, that is huge.

To your second point, I’m not sure anyone’s disagreeing that recruiting needs to step up to compete with the elite teams. It will be his downfall if not corrected. But your opening line of that paragraph is in pretty stark contrast to the post I originally quoted. And that’s my point. I think much of the negative talk is over the top and going off the rails in terms of rational thought. He’s a great coach. Whether or not he makes it here is in the air. But despite some of the issues, he’s still done a lot of good here and I think has us heading in the right direction. As J pointed out, we have to just wait and see what December brings.

 

[Frozen Gator]

I won’t even debate the exact scenario of 2014, as I don’t remember the specifics. But that sounds right. In any event, I don’t care if they barely cracked the Top-8. For that program, that is huge.

To your second point, I’m not sure anyone’s disagreeing that recruiting needs to step up to compete with the elite teams. It will be his downfall if not corrected. But your opening line of that paragraph is in pretty stark contrast to the post I originally quoted. And that’s my point. I think much of the negative talk is over the top and going off the rails in terms of rational thought. He’s a great coach. Whether or not he makes it here is in the air. But despite some of the issues, he’s still done a lot of good here and I think has us heading in the right direction. As J pointed out, we have to just wait and see what December brings.

That!

 

[Slevin]

Xavier Henderson will visit for the game Saturday

 

[BMF]

Xavier Henderson will visit for the game Saturday

Is he bringing any of his teammates?

 

[PastyStoole]

Find another board for your homoerotica

 

[Gator Fever]

The talent composite was 17th in 2017 and moved to 12 just with the transition class. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Blue chip percentage is currently at 53% with all attrition accounted for with 38 4 stars and 1 five star in the composite and an .89 grade which is ding ding a bonafide blue chip percentage.

Butters 2017 team had a whopping 51 3 stars/2 stars on the roster and a paltry 28 four stars/5 stars. His 2016 team with that lovely class you just mentioned gave the entire roster a boner inducing 24 blue chippers and 50 3 stars or below.

With Mullen single transition class and attrition, we went to 35 blue chips to 43 non blue chips.

With a transition class and a full class which you rag on consistently we sit at 39 blue chippers and 35 non blue chippers.

There seems to be a trend but I just... can’t... put.. my finger


Oh no wait it’s the blue chip percentage increasing. That’s what it is.


Edit add on: Clemson’s current talent composit is .8944 and Florida’s is .8910 and Clemson has the benefit of 6 more five stars. To even try to argue that Florida has gotten worse is ridiculous

The trend is crap right now if you ever want to compete for the SEC. His make it to camp class even with transfers was only 17th this past year and looks to be in the teens again this coming class unless he has a bunch of non-qualifiers/California dreamers to artificially inflate the numbers again.

He started 12th his first season with talent composite and in one year already we have dropped to 16th due to about a 17th ranked class in reality. He also isnt pulling in too many big names and getting them to camp. Maybe Elam and Hopper are the only ones from the last class that all the big programs were really after big time that actually are here.

 

[NavetG8r]

This I know. Recruiting will improve. Eventually. If not by Mullen, then by the next guy. I'm sure Mullen wants to keep his job. I hope he does what he needs to to make that happen. I kinda like the guy now. Wasn't happy with the hire initially as I've said many times already. He's made me a believer in his ability to change the loser culture and develop players though. He needs the studs to compete regularly with the UGA, LSU, and Bama's out there. We'll see.