Chip Kelly and Scott Frost; Frost gets extension after 8-13 record

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I hear FSU will be looking for a new coach by Thanksgiving....maybe they can get 1 of these 2
Hopefully by the end of his tenure we will offer Taggart an honorary spot in our ROH.
I actually think it will be interesting to see how things go for both of these guys.
........ And so far it looks like his recruiting sucks so not sure how they will turn it around.
That's the thing- recruiting. Kelly has to get out there and recruit. If he fails there he fails completely. It's even more difficult to recruit when you can't win any games. If you have a decent season recruiting is not on total rebuild. It's hard to attract the best when they have options and they see your team and program as a project. Why would they take that option when Oregon or Alabama.... or UF is offering?
I didn't expect to be saying this, but I was wrong in wanting either of those guys, and being pissed about the Mullen hire. It looks like we actually ended up with the best man for the job after all.
Don't feel bad. Most of us thought Frost or Kelly would be good here and why not? I ranked Mullen below Frost, Kelly and even Taggart IF Taggart brought his complete staff. In fairness to myself I knew when his OC then DC did not come that he was going to be in uncharted deep water and I did not realize that he is such a marginal person until I watched his press conferences. It's as if he is a position coach where the HC, OC and DC were let go and he had to take over the program and is very uncomfortable in the spotlight.
 

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Put me in the camp that Frost is never going to have any success at Nebraska and will be gone during or after season 3. I think they are going to be lucky to be bowl eligible NEXT season. They are looking at 1 win this season, which is pathetic beyond words.

By season 3, he will be willing to sacrifice some of his buyout to get him and his family out of that ****hole.

He made the biggest mistake of his life.
 

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Gotta disagree with that. Any coach whose team goes 13-0 is, by definition, a good coach. Maybe not great, but good.
I knew when I wrote it, that it'd be an unpopular take around these parts. Some of you were too pro-Frost. And clearly people don't like to admit when their wrong. I get it. But look at UCF this year. Their still winning... without Frost! That team is just fortunate to be in a position where they have more talent than everyone they play. Frost was never a good coach. But, of course, it's just my opinion. Let's just sit back and see how it plays out. Good coaches don't lose every game. I'm willing to bet money that Frost doesn't do well there. And I'm not the gambling type.
 

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Put me in the camp that Frost is never going to have any success at Nebraska and will be gone during or after season 3. I think they are going to be lucky to be bowl eligible NEXT season. They are looking at 1 win this season, which is pathetic beyond words.

By season 3, he will be willing to sacrifice some of his buyout to get him and his family out of that ****hole.

He made the biggest mistake of his life.
I agree. He was the hottest name in coaching for a month or so and took that to one of the worst places he could have gone.

I don't think many places were going to let him bring his whole staff with him, which apparently was one of his requirements. We see now that was a mistake.

I am not counting him out yet, he's developed winners wherever he has landed. But I think this is more like a Lou Holtz at South Carolina situation instead of Spurrier returning to Florida to take them to the promised land.
 

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Let's just sit back and see how it plays out.

The inability to do that has made for some entertaining and face-palming reading around here.

I was pumped about Kelly; I thought recruits would be knocking down the door. The current state of affairs at Yewkla is showing otherwise. That was a good miss.

I felt like Frost was a flash in the pan; there just wasn’t enough data on him. ( See Muschump, Will) Now he’s obviously in a bad place and we’ll find out what kind of coach he is. Don’t know if this was a good miss or not.
 

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Well I'm sorry but it's simply not a valid opinion to say that a coach is not at least a "good" coach when he led his team to a 13-0 record, including an impressive bowl win. You don't seem to be acknowledging a distinction between good and great.

Regardless of the talent level of his team, going undefeated certainly puts Frost in the "good" category. Not to mention, you seem to be forgetting (or maybe you didn't know) that UCF went 0-12 the year before Frost's arrival. 0-12! Where was all their awesome talent then?

I agree with you that Frost appears to have been overrated, based on the total lack of success he's having at Nebraska. Is he a great coach? It doesn't look that way to me right now. But you're being contrarian and going too far by saying he's not even good.
Good and Great in the context of what we're debating is apropos.
Look, I respect your opinion. I just disagree with it. I'm not practicing revisionist history here. I was never a fan of Frost's. I never thought highly of him.

Part of the problem of making these types of proclamations are that it seems like I'm going overboard in my criticism of Frost. He seems like a cool guy. I'm not upset with him. Nor do I intend to disparage him. I get that he's a good coach, evidenced by the fact that he's coaching at a P5 school. I was just never sold on Frost and didn't want him here.
I use "good" in the context of whether he's good enough to win at a P5. And to that I say unabashedly, NO!
 

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Now that Burt has passed, i’m not so sure that theory holds water. Then again, i wouldn’t put it past that damn dirty Nole to have his estate continue the payments. Never thought of Donk as a paid Nole Troll, but makes some sense. Him and Omar seem a lil too chummy if you know what I mean.

Well, it's hard to argue with the possibility of a powerful attraction that a bold and beautiful lesbian ass might hold for a cowardly closet Nole - who incidentally hasn't been laid since Burt was still attractive to women.
 

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I’m not sure where I got this but did anyone else hear the story/rumor that when Lawrence Phillips was dragging his girlfriend down the stairs that Frost was locked in the bathroom?
 

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Don't know where to put this, but thought it was interesting...

Is Nebraska football too far gone, even for Scott Frost?

Interesting read. I think it's way too early to write off Frost. He's a unique coach; having won a national championship as a QB at Nebraska, and having played defense in the NFL, completely turning around a dumpster fire at UCF, to where he is now. The guy is a winner all the way around. He recruited a top 20 class last year - at Nebraska, where a lot of people said you can never recruit well in the 2010's (and beyond) - his 2020 class is sitting at 33 (UCLA is at 31) and is likely to climb into the to top 25 (he only has 13 commits).

Meanwhile, Chip Kelly has quietly put together a decent season after a really sh*tty start (they are on a 3 game winning streak) and the offense looks to have come alive. They have a tough game this weekend (Utah). I still think he's mailed it in and very happy we didn't get him.
 

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I think even the mailed-it-in Kelly is a better coach than Frost. I think Frost is going to be run out of town on a rail next season, and I have no sympathy for him. Have you seen his post-game conferences? They are more cringe-worthy and more filled with excuses than even the Chimp. "It's on him, he'll get it fixed" kinda crap. I don't think he's thrown the word "midline" at anyone yet but I feel it's coming.

Frost has been worse than his predecessor and yet UCF has barely missed a beat since he left. It clear the guy was an extremely overrated coach.

Hopefully his jettison from Nebraska is very public and very humiliating. I want to see NU fans lining the street heaving tomatoes at him while he tries to slink off campus with his millions.
 

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I think Nebraska makes a jump forward next season but that QB seems to have regressed some this season.
 

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The guy is a winner all the way around.
Yeah, he sure is showing that. 8-13 at Nebraska. :facepalm:

Do you think Urban Meyer would be 8-13 in his first 21 games at Nebraska?
 

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Yeah, he sure is showing that. 8-13 at Nebraska. :facepalm:

Do you think Urban Meyer would be 8-13 in his first 21 games at Nebraska?

Sure, Meyer would probably have done a better job. But what does Meyer have to do with this? They're certainly not firing him unless he bangs a co-ed on the university president's desk. So we'll see how it plays out....
 

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Yeah, he sure is showing that. 8-13 at Nebraska. :facepalm:

Do you think Urban Meyer would be 8-13 in his first 21 games at Nebraska?

Meyer's smart enough to never even consider touching a job in the condition that Nebraska was in. He hates to lose more than anyone and knows that he'd do a fair share in Lincoln, especially early on. I don't know what to think about Frost exactly, but I can just about guarantee he regrets his decision. I was of the opinion that he recognized how difficult it would be and probably didn't really like the idea, but felt compelled to cash in on his success and simply couldn't turn them down for any other job. I think he took it begrudgingly and wishes he could go back in time and just face the heat then.

I like the tomatoes idea though.
 

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Don't know where to put this, but thought it was interesting...

Is Nebraska football too far gone, even for Scott Frost?
Warning to anyone wanting to read this article, it’s a bit on the long side.

I admit to being one of those who wanted Frost and also admit to having been very mistaken. (There’s reason I’m not an AD somewhere.) I think Frost would have done better at UF than he has done at Nebraska, but not as good as CDM has. (I also assumed that he’d have good relationships in Florida from being at UCF which would greatly help with recruiting - something else I was probably wrong about.)

To win (bigly) at Nebraska is a very difficult proposition in the current CFB landscape. I seriously doubt Frost will be able to recruit effectively enough to ever even win their division let alone the conference; a Natty is a totally unrealistic goal. Only a recruiter at a level of Saban or Urbs can get it done there. Their recruiting base is just not strong enough and they have to get the overwhelming majority of their players by recruiting nationally. That’s a hard act to sustain.
 

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