Recruiting 2020 Recruiting Thread: Gervon Dexter gets 5th Star on Rivals

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Ancient Reptile

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FSU, UT, and Miami are down in part because CDM and UF beat them. I said when he stepped off the plane that CDM wasn't a good recruiter and that recruiting success would only occur by bootstrapping recruiting on the back of winning. While it is not yet certain, that could be happening. Next year should reveal a lot.
 

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Conversely, if they are all top 15 teams and are contending for conference titles, odds are we are doing as well or better - which most likely includes recruiting.
 

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Disagree. Head-to-head matters, particularly if overall records are similar.
wiLLLLLLLie had a career losing record long before cousin Eddie showed up at UF.

Clown town was destined to suck when they hired him. it had nothing to do with cousin Eddie.
 

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PS: after reading it, .88 to .89 etc. :lmao2: Sure thing.


PPS: We still gettin errrrbody.

I hope you read legal documents with better comprehension than you do internet articles. I know you hate to admit it because it undermines another stupid donkey-ism but Mullen is actually recruiting much better than you said he would and the numbers bare that out.

So, the Donk was off, but only slightly (and because his pessimism had him start too low). If you aggregate the numbers the talent composite from the players they list moves from .8843 to .9046. The biggest difference, and what sheds some doubt on this, are the total numbers and oddities Ltraz pointed out about who they chose to include.

He has 83 players as of now (this is Mullen's best work, i.e. increasing roster size with blue chip depth by adding bodies while increasing overall rankings), but only 66 for "inherited," which would have been what was here on December 2017. He gets there by including some but not all recruits (for instance X and Manuel, but not Britt) for this year, but none for what Mullen inherited.

We had 8 commits that stayed when Mullen showed up (he gets some credit, but to compare apples, you have to account for that difference). That include Pitts and his .9334 ranking only in the improvement despite him committing in July of 2017. Damien Pierce and his .9209 committed pre-mullen, Gouraige .9603, etc. Of the 8 commits pre-Mullen, 6 were rivals 4 stars. There is still an improvement, but it is even closer to just .01, as Donk suggested.
 

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So, the Donk was off, but only slightly (and because his pessimism had him start too low). If you aggregate the numbers the talent composite from the players they list moves from .8843 to .9046. The biggest difference, and what sheds some doubt on this, are the total numbers and oddities Ltraz pointed out about who they chose to include.

He has 83 players as of now (this is Mullen's best work, i.e. increasing roster size with blue chip depth by adding bodies while increasing overall rankings), but only 66 for "inherited," which would have been what was here on December 2017. He gets there by including some but not all recruits (for instance X and Manuel, but not Britt) for this year, but none for what Mullen inherited.

We had 8 commits that stayed when Mullen showed up (he gets some credit, but to compare apples, you have to account for that difference). That include Pitts and his .9334 ranking only in the improvement despite him committing in July of 2017. Damien Pierce and his .9209 committed pre-mullen, Gouraige .9603, etc. Of the 8 commits pre-Mullen, 6 were rivals 4 stars. There is still an improvement, but it is even closer to just .01, as Donk suggested.
Some oddities will change it significantly and you can’t just average the average - doing so right now places equal value on the QBs (3) and WRs (11). You could weight it or add all positions but either way - I’m not thinking the difference would be huge. Also, this cycle is not over. A Williams boosts safeties, etc. we are not looking at single player that I know of that would bring down an average. Finally, .02 is not insignificant here: that’s the difference between a high 3 and a low/mid 4. Considering that he’s had a transition class and two full (almost) classes, that’s not bad. Based on how he’s recruiting, I don’t think it will go up much but it’s not insignificant as you imply.
 

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wiLLLLLLLie had a career losing record long before cousin Eddie showed up at UF.

Clown town was destined to suck when they hired him. it had nothing to do with cousin Eddie.
CDM won. Stick to the bottom line. You always "suppose"
in your favor and against CDM. Live with the fact that CDM is still unproven, but the preliminary data is, at least, mildly promising.
 

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.02 is not insignificant here: that’s the difference between a high 3 and a low/mid 4. Considering that he’s had a transition class and two full (almost) classes, that’s not bad. Based on how he’s recruiting, I don’t think it will go up much but it’s not insignificant as you imply.

You are right in the point that the .02 difference really does matter and is real improvement, especially when considering the total roster numbers that go with that increase. From an average player prospect perspective, the difference is averaging the 272nd rated player in the country versus the 394th player. It is "not insignificant," though I don't think I meant that, only that the Ass wasn't far off despite the reading comprehension remark I responded to you about.

For comparison though, starting this season, these were our competitor's average recruit rankings to start 2019:

Alabama - 154th rated player average (Ranked #1 team composite)
Dwags - 220 (3rd)
LSU - 266 (5th)
fsu - 306 (6th)
UF at start of 2019 - 362 (15th)

This years class, without potential high additions in Williams is averaging 266th rated player. If the 2020 figures are at or above those from the article, it would have been good for the 6th most talented team in the country last year. That compares to the 15 - 17th location of what Mullen inherited (depending on including those 8 commits that stuck).

I do think moving from Tennessee range to LSU range in talent is significant.
 
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