Gator Basketball Gators waxed by horrid MSU team to drop to 12-8

Swamp Donkey · Jan 29, 2020

Thought Criminal said:
We won't be nearly so lucky. They will ignore the outcry entirely. Firing White isn't even on their radar with an $8M buyout.

I'm mostly here to observe your opinions and comment on the process. everyone knows I don't care much about basketball.

The way Mike White gets fired when he inevitably does will tell us a lot about what happens to Dorky Dan.

Again having not watched the team at all, I will tell you that one common thread I see amongst all poorly coached teams is that they are highly inconsistent even if talented.

Well coached teams ,even if untalented, are generally consistent.

Marine1 · Jan 29, 2020

Sec14Gator said:
Maybe last year, but he seems to be effected by White this year with some mid-year regression.

I don't think Lewis is not trying, as much as he is positioned at the top of the key so often. When he is in, they match him up defensively on guards and three point shooters extensively. Locke can't guard, so they move him to the baseline to have Lewis stop the penetration. Zero and 1 are hard to explain away completely though by floor position. It seems that Lewis plays hard though.

Good points. And don’t get me wrong. I really like Lewis and I do see him working hard.

I do see an AAU influence on all our newbies. They are use to a run and gun offensive philosophy and have difficulty adjusting sometimes to structure. I won’t go into it in detail but I have some rants as a longtime high school coach against some AAU programs ( and I coached AAU for years) AND the proliferation of “trainers” and “handlers”. It’s changing the game. They’re teaching 8-10 step dribble moves against cones and they get in a game and can’t penetrate. I’m still teaching head and ball fakes, jab steps and exploding to the rack. How old fashioned is that?

Any way....I like our kids and some will go on to have good careers but none are as good as I thought they were reading the hype. They are going to need to borrow some of that Mamba ethic to achieve greatness.

Marine1 · Jan 29, 2020

Swamp Donkey said:
I'm mostly here to observe your opinions and comment on the process. everyone knows I don't care much about basketball.

The way Mike White gets fired when he inevitably does will tell us a lot about what happens to Dorky Dan.

Again having not watched the team at all, I will tell you that one common thread I see amongst all poorly coached teams is that they are highly inconsistent even if talented.

Well coached teams ,even if untalented, are generally consistent.

Possibly your best post ever?

Swamp Donkey · Jan 29, 2020

Marine1 said:
Possibly your best post ever?

shorter generally equals better

TNWSS

gatorev12 · Jan 29, 2020

Sec14Gator said:
Maybe last year, but he seems to be effected by White this year with some mid-year regression.

Not sure I agree with you there: KJ is 2nd on the team in average ppg with 13; 2nd in average rebounds per game; 2nd best 3pt percentage. He's improved from last year's numbers in ppg (+5 pts), FT%, FG%, and rebounds (6.4 rpg last year, 6.6 rpg this year...slight, but certainly hasn't regressed).

In our last 5 games, he's scored 10 (yesterday), 20 vs #1 Baylor, 16 vs LSU, 5 vs Auburn, and 15 vs Ole Miss.

Still a long ways to go in the season, but KJ has improved in almost every metric (while playing more minutes) and has been one of our best and most reliable players thus far. Put another way: if everyone on this team delivered that performance in their roles, we'd be the #6 team that everyone thought we'd be...

rogdochar · Jan 29, 2020

just saw White interviewed on Channel-4 after the newsman complained about UF's loss to MSU.
White said it all was because "they" weren't aggressive enough. Scotty Lewis when interviewed said something about their winning when they're suppose to, except last night.?? :confused:

The point is out the noice with CBB reporters are grumbling about the way UF is playing - the sports world is frustrated with our stars letting them down.

rogdochar · Jan 29, 2020

None on this team have any, not an iota of an idea how to use their teammates' talents - 20 games in. That falls on coaching, bad coaching. The HC is supposed to recognize all talents and weave them into a potent team. Every program expects and gets that from their HC; those who do not, get replaced for the betterment of the Program. Let's go Gators. Our all-star cast is losing it all - gaining nothing.

maheo30 · Jan 29, 2020

rogdochar said:
White said it all was because "they" weren't aggressive enough.

That has been a problem for 3 straight seasons. At what point does he look in the mirror and realize they have this problem because there is something he isn't doing.

rogdochar · Jan 30, 2020

All in all, these kids should be regaling each other over big win after big win. Instead, aren't they acting disconnected about the workings of this basketball team -- suppose to be their team. Who is separating these kids from their own team? -- scattered individual talents? baffling?
Basketball should very well be the central-essence of their lives. Oddly, Mike White isn't centered on basketball. Instead of courtside, Mike White should be in administration, paper shuffling, quietly. Stricklin needs to put a thinking-cap on and make a brilliant choice. White is badly damaging UF's brand. He won't be able to fool anymore talented high school stars. UF is on the precipice of dropping to the basement of the SEC.??

LeeForThree · Jan 30, 2020

rogdochar · Jan 30, 2020

This fact fully exposed White's inabilities: White's recruiting so well has lead to his downfall. Think on that. White gets great athletes to mold and it exposes his essential "nothing to offer Florida or them".

Egor's Assistant · Jan 30, 2020

MidwestChomp said:
I don't care about the damn buyout. Fire his ass immediately. This loss is horrible.

Sweet @MidwestChomp is using his Oxbucks to pay Mike Whites Buyout. #truegator

Gatorbait25 · Jan 30, 2020

gatorev12 said:
Not sure I agree with you there: KJ is 2nd on the team in average ppg with 13; 2nd in average rebounds per game; 2nd best 3pt percentage. He's improved from last year's numbers in ppg (+5 pts), FT%, FG%, and rebounds (6.4 rpg last year, 6.6 rpg this year...slight, but certainly hasn't regressed).

In our last 5 games, he's scored 10 (yesterday), 20 vs #1 Baylor, 16 vs LSU, 5 vs Auburn, and 15 vs Ole Miss.

Still a long ways to go in the season, but KJ has improved in almost every metric (while playing more minutes) and has been one of our best and most reliable players thus far. Put another way: if everyone on this team delivered that performance in their roles, we'd be the #6 team that everyone thought we'd be...

Think you pretty much nailed it here . KJ is our best overall player in my opinion . I’d like to see what Locke and Mann could do off the bench. Maybe start KJ at 3 with Omar and KB as the bigs . That’s probably our best defensive lineup , with SL at the two you have multiple players that create their own shot as well.

NOLAGATOR · Jan 30, 2020

SeabeeGator said:
Your university just won a football national championship and looks solid on the court. Why would you complain?

Let's give a big shout out to you and your Army Corps of Engineers.

SeabeeGator · Jan 30, 2020

NOLAGATOR said:
Let's give a big shout out to you and your Army Corps of Engineers.

I contracted for those guys before. Enjoyed my experience. Never been part of their organization, wouldn’t know their culture. Certainly never cheered for their football team.

Towels 'N Sporks · Jan 30, 2020

maheo30 said:
That has been a problem for 3 straight seasons. At what point does he look in the mirror and realize they have this problem because there is something he isn't doing.

Exactly, thank you. He basically blamed last years failures on the exact same thing. And I dont want to hear about how "young" the team is either. That's White's fault too. We had that mass exodus with transfers and it appears that there was a good riddance attitude from White... so we bring in a Senior transfer to the team who is PRESEASON SEC PLAYER OF THE YEAR and three top 50 freshmen recruits (including one who was originally predicted to be a lottery draft pick) and we are somehow even WORSE than we were last year. I'm tired of the excuses. I'm tired of the transfers. I'm tired of seeing ZERO player development, and often seeing player regression (Allen, Hudson, Locke, Gak, Bassette, and due to his early fouls in almost every game this year, Keyontae Johnson).

I feel soo sosososososo bad for Blackshear deciding to spend his senior year here. I wish we could just let him play somewhere else the last half of the season where he can actually make an impact in the tourney because he is wasted on us. This season has been like watching a shakespeare tragedy for all these players. So much talent, and a lot will be losing money in the NBA because of how bad they look when they take the court for us.

Let me sum it up for everyone:

Soft Coach = Soft Staff = Soft Players

MidwestChomp · Jan 30, 2020

SamIamGator92 said:
Sweet @MidwestChomp is using his Oxbucks to pay Mike Whites Buyout. #truegator

I'm not using them for anything else.

lagator · Jan 30, 2020

Thought Criminal said:
We won't be nearly so lucky. They will ignore the outcry entirely. Firing White isn't even on their radar with an $8M buyout.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the buyout would have been without the offseason raise and extension? In other words how big of a mistake was this by SS?

Towels 'N Sporks · Jan 30, 2020

lagator said:
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the buyout would have been without the offseason raise and extension? In other words how big of a mistake was this by SS?

I believe the original buyout was 1 mil and is now 1.75 mil.

Edit: okay according to this article Florida basketball inks Mike White to contract extension through 2024-25

"If Florida were to fire White, it would owe him $1.75 million for each season remaining on his contract on that time" (which is through 2024-25)

Originally the contract was through 2022-23 so at 1 mil per year if he's fired after this year we would have owed him 3 mil (for 20-21, 21-22, 22-23).

But now with an extra 2 years and 1.75 mil per year 1.75 x 5 years is 8.75 mil. So a 6 mil mistake if I did my math right... which I probably didn't because I'm the least qualified person on the board to make these assumptions.

Sec14Gator · Jan 30, 2020

lagator said:
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the buyout would have been without the offseason raise and extension? In other words how big of a mistake was this by SS?

it’s at least $3.5 million more since he gave a two year extension and someone posted that the buyout was $1.75 per year remaining on the contract.

edit: if TnS is right, then it increased the buyout by $750k X 3 seasons plus the $3.5 M from the two extra years. So, he increased the buyout $5.25 million.

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