Recruiting NSD 2020 Thread: Zach Evans goes to TCU

TheDouglas78 · Feb 6, 2020

Oscar the G said:
We finished 6th because some nerds evaluated high school kids and attempt to order them. I think rankings as a big picture are important, teams need talent. But how correctly can you quantify Broderick jones talent over issiah Walker's? Or elias Rick's over Jabari Rodgers? How does scheme fit at the next level play into how well talent is maximized? I dont think it's an exact science where one can quantify the difference.

So what you are saying are people who see these athletes on a decent basis, in camps where they compete against one another, their measurables, etc... have no clue what they are doing? They haven't done their job with enough expertise over decades of data points out there that they are going to be more right than wrong? That the specialization of the recruiting, through the camps, film, organizations might not have a good clue?

When you continually get the types of lower graded talent, you might have one or two that break the mold, but overall the statistic is fairly accurate. Now over the 4 years that difference becomes more noticeable because as your talent starts to reach the potential of their grade, so does theirs.

UGA has an average player grade of 3.96 where is ours is 3.7... are you saying that doesn't matter. That the services with all the data they collect are going to be so wrong that UGA completely over recruited inferior talent and we got gems on every level. If so can you share the crack you are smoking, because that is some good stuff

TheDouglas78 · Feb 6, 2020

GatorAuthor said:
The “multiplied by 4 years” is what it’s all about. It’s tough to overcome having less talent overall, and recruiting momentum is huge.

Obviously, having 10-11 win seasons doesn’t cure all recruiting ills.

that's because a 10-11 win season is like having a 8-9 win season in the mid 90s.

Swamp Donkey · Feb 6, 2020

Oscar the G said:
I have a hard time believing uga&lsu will each have 7 more elite players than us in this recruiting class.

Good for you.

Swamp Donkey · Feb 6, 2020

Oscar the G said:
We finished 6th because some nerds evaluated high school kids and attempt to order them.

3 star whisperin!!!!

T REX · Feb 6, 2020

Oscar the G said:
We finished 6th because some nerds evaluated high school kids and attempt to order them. I think rankings as a big picture are important, teams need talent. But how correctly can you quantify Broderick jones talent over issiah Walker's? Or elias Rick's over Jabari Rodgers? How does scheme fit at the next level play into how well talent is maximized? I dont think it's an exact science where one can quantify the difference.

"trust the coaches"

There are countless studies that prove you need bluechip talent to win. Period. It's empirical data not anything made up.

Are you just trolling?

YLGator · Feb 6, 2020

Oscar the G said:
I have a hard time believing uga&lsu will each have 7 more elite players than us in this recruiting class.

See post #455 of this thread. The data tells the story.

Durty South Swamp · Feb 6, 2020

trashcan is one of those true believer types. for him evidence of his position is not required, and no amount of objective, quantifiable data that says otherwise is sufficient.

Swamp Donkey · Feb 6, 2020

T REX said:
"trust the coaches"

There are countless studies that prove you need bluechip talent to win. Period. It's empirical data not anything made up.

Are you just trolling?

No, no. He isnt trolling. Just Trust The Coach Pumpers have three general periods:

before signing day we are in the "#SecretCommits and We Gettin Errbody" period.

after signing day we are in me "3 Star Whisperin and Coach Dont Need No Talent" period.

in October we are in the "Well, Coach ___ Was EXPECTED to Lose BC We Have Less Talent" period.

overall it's part of wait till next year syndrome.

Durty South Swamp · Feb 6, 2020

Swamp Donkey said:
in October we are in the "Well, Coach ___ Was EXPECTED to Lose BC We Have Less Talent" period.

Seems to be more like, "you guys can't expect him to win all the time when he doesn't have the talent" or the classic "his players" line. But perhaps I'm splitting hairs here.

It does seem to be a common refrain. "Just wait until NSD, you'll see." During NSD, "well what do you expect with limited facilities, poor staff, admin commitment issues, etc." 2 weeks after NSD and until the season starts, "crootin rankings don't matter, we got diamonds in the rough, saving spots for a big haul next year, he knows what he's doing, etc." Then the season starts and it eventually comes around full circle.

neteng · Feb 6, 2020

Swamp Donkey said:
No, no. He isnt trolling. Just Trust The Coach Pumpers have three general periods:

before signing day we are in the "#SecretCommits and We Gettin Errbody" period.

after signing day we are in me "3 Star Whisperin and Coach Dont Need No Talent" period.

in October we are in the "Well, Coach ___ Was EXPECTED to Lose BC We Have Less Talent" period.

overall it's part of wait till next year syndrome.

You are a putz.

Remind me what you predicted our record would be last season?

And maybe you should start saying 4 Star Whisperer considering 17 of the 23 signed are 4 star or higher.

Also ... we added four (4) 5 Stars to the team this cycle.

You are stoopid.

Swamp Donkey · Feb 6, 2020

neteng said:
You are stoopid.

That hurts. Forgive me while I take some time to cry.

neteng · Feb 6, 2020

Swamp Donkey said:
That hurts. Forgive me while I take some time to cry.

You need more time to cry? Thats all you do.

SeabeeGator · Feb 6, 2020

Durty South Swamp said:
trashcan is one of those true believer types. for him evidence of his position is not required, and no amount of objective, quantifiable data that says otherwise is sufficient.

Nah, I think he is just a contrarian. Likes to mess with you guys.

Swamp Donkey · Feb 6, 2020

neteng said:
You need more time to cry? Thats all you do.

are you mocking my tenderness?

Swamp Donkey · Feb 6, 2020

SeabeeGator said:
Nah, I think he is just a contrarian. Likes to mess with you guys.

no that's you oh, you will quietly sometimes admit you agree with our takes but you loudly play contrarian just for the fun of it, which I respect of course.

garbage can boy is just trust the coaches guy hundred percent.
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Oscar the G · Feb 6, 2020

SeabeeGator said:
Nah, I think he is just a contrarian. Likes to mess with you guys.

Not trying to be contrarian, and any fool can see I said recruiting is important. But going back to post #455, what really is the difference between a 5.8 and a 5.9?

SeabeeGator · Feb 6, 2020

Swamp Donkey said:
no that's you oh, you will quietly sometimes admit you agree with our takes but you loudly play contrarian just for the fun of it, which I respect of course.

garbage can boy is just trust the coaches guy hundred percent.
.

I’m a moderate. I agree with some but not to the extreme that you do. I’m also not convinced CDM can not win here like you guys.

Oscar the G · Feb 6, 2020

TheDouglas78 said:
So what you are saying are people who see these athletes on a decent basis, in camps where they compete against one another, their measurables, etc... have no clue what they are doing? They haven't done their job with enough expertise over decades of data points out there that they are going to be more right than wrong? That the specialization of the recruiting, through the camps, film, organizations might not have a good clue?

When you continually get the types of lower graded talent, you might have one or two that break the mold, but overall the statistic is fairly accurate. Now over the 4 years that difference becomes more noticeable because as your talent starts to reach the potential of their grade, so does theirs.

UGA has an average player grade of 3.96 where is ours is 3.7... are you saying that doesn't matter. That the services with all the data they collect are going to be so wrong that UGA completely over recruited inferior talent and we got gems on every level. If so can you share the crack you are smoking, because that is some good stuff

I read all the time about recruiting services bumping uga and fsu guys. Do we think that really happens or is it just sour grapes?

If you took that I said the recruiting analysts at rivals, 247, etc have no clue then you werent paying attention. I'm saying these services are definitely able to decipher talent (for the most part). But what are the levels of talent? No one wants to be 6th in the SEC. but does that accurately depict the talent gap? (As decided by a for profit company) I'm saying what is the actual difference between a 3.9 player and a 3.7?

Oscar the G · Feb 6, 2020

Swamp Donkey said:
Good for you.

Did you just pluck that number out of the sky?

Swamp Donkey · Feb 6, 2020

Oscar the G said:
Not trying to be contrarian, and any fool can see I said recruiting is important. But going back to post #455, what really is the difference between a 5.8 and a 5.9?

5.8 and 5.9, yes. 6.0 and 6.1 too.

5.8 and 5.7, not really. The curve is getting really fat there.

Most of the 5* and high 4* fail at approximately the same rate, statistically, no matter how you define fail whether it's failed a start fail to make all-conference as the stars would predict, failed to get drafted in the NFL, whatever. (It is still like 50%, no one is saying.coaching and development dont matter.)

Butters lived in the LOW 3* zone, 5.5 and 5.6, the high 3* low 4* zone like Mullinz. Those guys have a very high "fail rate".

This is where those "3.5" gpa means little, bc they dont reflect those low 3* sunbelters as being different than the high 3* DE that Bammer also had interest as a plan B or Plan C.

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