Recruiting NSD 2020 Thread: Zach Evans goes to TCU

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Dude if you are going to do it, go all out... but much like counting recruiting classes, you came up short. Now take the UAA's balls off your chin... kiss the sack, and ask them if you have been a good boy.
Yeah ok. Please show me one post ive made being one way or the other on this recruiting class. And you didnt say recruiting classes, you said years to make your point. And years my friend is inaccurate. But i do see that your mind goes right to homosexual acts. NTTIAWWT.
 

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I remember the 10-3 year and the 11-2 year. I just cant seem to remember what his record at florida was in that 3rd year u are talking about. I used to drink.. Maybe i blacked out an entire year.

Nice effort...but I think he's talking about Mullen signing 3 classes.
 

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That is essentially what we are doing though - we’ve been elevating our base talent with 5.8/5.9s then adding in “free agents” from the portal with a handful of top talents from the “draft”. UGA’s “free agents” have not been too good and you wonder if that is because they have been around long enough to hear that players are leaving because they are dissatisfied. Now, defensively, its working great for them but their offense is an absolute train wreck. That WF kid has been horrendous outside the creampuffs. No way he or Beck are any good next year.

Players that transferred before the 2019 season how many do you remember:

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We lost Justin Watkins - who was a very highly rated WR (due to disciplinary reasons). Langham, who was a 4-star bust....but he was also the only DT signed in that class. John Huggins, another disciplinary problem. Chris Bleich. Randy Russel (medical). That's 5 from one class. Then we lost 5 from the next class. Ten signees who either have left or never made it on campus in two classes.

Also, UGA is currently having the same issues Alabama has and we had under Urban - they're bringing in 5-stars who have to wait behind another 5-star for their turn. So if they leave, it's not "next man up"...it's "next 5-star up". It's sickening. And as far as player development, other than Fromm (which was mostly due to the sh*tty offense) I don't really see many of their players going undeveloped. He's running the Saban model over there, and he ran it for 8 years under Alabama. Also, if we beat them this year I hope you don't think I'm going to be upset. Teams with more talent lose all the time to teams with lesser talent - Alabama lost to Auburn last year, UGA lost to SC, we lost to Kentucky & Missouri two years ago, Urban's 2008 UF lost to Ole Miss in Gainesville!, it goes on and on. We need to consistently win, or at least have a two game winning streak occasionally. We'll see. But their D is absolutely loaded this year.

Not disagreeing with you BMF. You have valid points. However, Georgia has been loaded on D since Kirby's second year in Athens. This past season can be looked at as a one off, but I think that is going to become the norm going forward. With all of the rule changes and continious stride to favor the offensive side of the ball, a good defense in todays college football/nfl will be holding opponents to 28 points a game. They had a great D going up against LSU, and got absolutely destroyed. Same goes for Clemson. I believe Mullen can put up points on any defense if we can develop our O line to have at best an average running game.
 

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Not disagreeing with you BMF. You have valid points. However, Georgia has been loaded on D since Kirby's second year in Athens. This past season can be looked at as a one off, but I think that is going to become the norm going forward. With all of the rule changes and continious stride to favor the offensive side of the ball, a good defense in todays college football/nfl will be holding opponents to 28 points a game. They had a great D going up against LSU, and got absolutely destroyed. Same goes for Clemson. I believe Mullen can put up points on any defense if we can develop our O line to have at best an average running game.

Fair enough....hopefully the OL shows SIGNIFICANT improvement this year. That was the most pathetic OL since Butters first OL in 2015.
 

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Fair enough....hopefully the OL shows SIGNIFICANT improvement this year. That was the most pathetic OL since Butters first OL in 2015.

2015 might have just 5 mostly live bodies they just got out of the cadaver lab at Shands
 

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Again, this was the third recruiting cycle under this coaching staff, we are no longer talking about "instant" success. They have had three years to recruit and study players. This argument is flawed thinking on your part. This isn't the transition class, or the bump class. You are trying to disregard where this staff is by saying "instant"....
Gotten better each year. Less risks this year than last two. Higher average quality. Ways to go and some staff turnover still needed but each position coach that left was upgraded. Like I said - measured progress.
 

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I remember the 10-3 year and the 11-2 year. I just cant seem to remember what his record at florida was in that 3rd year u are talking about. I used to drink.. Maybe i blacked out an entire year.
he means 3 recruiting cycles... and he is correct. maybe you did black out.
 

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Or valid counterpoints to your argument.

I know at this point you just trying to find an argument to cover you other argument, this argument you are making now, would have been great for the initial or bump class, but this was the third class, which means this incremental argument is invalid.
 

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I know at this point you just trying to find an argument to cover you other argument, this argument you are making now, would have been great for the initial or bump class, but this was the third class, which means this incremental argument is invalid.

Do you believe that DM is already an unmitigated failure because he will never recruit well enough, and that his performance to date has proved that we just need to move on ASAP?
 

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Do you believe that DM is already an unmitigated failure because he will never recruit well enough, and that his performance to date has proved that we just need to move on ASAP?

I love how you are mountain out of mole hill man. Please list where on this thread I believe Mullen is a failure or should be fired...
 

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I know at this point you just trying to find an argument to cover you other argument, this argument you are making now, would have been great for the initial or bump class, but this was the third class, which means this incremental argument is invalid.
Difficult to have this discussion when you’re unable to move past your initial conclusion.

If you want to argue whether his improvement is fast enough or if his staff changes to date have been effective, we can. But arguing that no recruiting improvement is occurring or that the portal has not been beneficial/complimentary is a tough barrier to overcome. And FTR, my argument has never changed nor has my opinion. You stating otherwise does not make that true.
 

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Difficult to have this discussion when you’re unable to move past your initial conclusion.

If you want to argue whether his improvement is fast enough or if his staff changes to date have been effective, we can. But arguing that no recruiting improvement is occurring or that the portal has not been beneficial/complimentary is a tough barrier to overcome. And FTR, my argument has never changed nor has my opinion. You stating otherwise does not make that true.

Nor has mine, it has been the same since I initial said it in 2018, and this class under achieved. Because this is the class where his program is full developed, he should have his people and his philosophy in place. This is the year we see what his program with his people/players does. And it started out in 6th in the SEC.
 

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Nor has mine, it has been the same since I initial said it in 2018, and this class under achieved. Because this is the class where his program is full developed, he should have his people and his philosophy in place. This is the year we see what his program with his people/players does. And it started out in 6th in the SEC.
I think our arguments compliment each other more than disagree. I’m guessing the friction point is the transfer portal (which is not calculated into recruiting rankings). It will be interesting to see where we are in team composite talent and if it continues to ascend.
 

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I think our arguments compliment each other more than disagree. I’m guessing the friction point is the transfer portal (which is not calculated into recruiting rankings). It will be interesting to see where we are in team composite talent and if it continues to ascend.

I'm guessing we probably agree, that the portal is more a play to fill in the last bit of holes, or the final piece on the roster. But also a place you can't expect to have the fortune we have had at this point. We have been extremely fortunate… which just points to the prospect of regressing to the mean just because of how well we have done but also the situations that allowed certain players to become available.

 

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I'm guessing we probably agree, that the portal is more a play to fill in the last bit of holes, or the final piece on the roster. But also a place you can't expect to have the fortune we have had at this point. We have been extremely fortunate… which just points to the prospect of regressing to the mean just because of how well we have done but also the situations that allowed certain players to become available.

Portal is new. We do not know what the mean is. That’s sort of the issue - I think you and @BMF are looking at the portal from the old transfer lens. With the NCAA inconsistent but generally lenient attitude towards immediate eligibility, no telling how the portal will play into a team’s strategy. The playoff this year is a great example - 3 teams found their most important player in the transfer portal. That’s not normal historically but who knows if that is where we are trending?

But do not mistake this for a portal heavy argument. I just think it has more merit than strictly hole filler in today’s game.
 

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