Gator Basketball Official BBALL Game Thread Florida vs Vanderbilt

Jbossgator8 · Feb 15, 2020

Locke, KJ, and Nemb are having great sophomore seasons. They have really developed since their freshman season last year and have been great leaders this year. Great job Gators!

stephenPE · Feb 15, 2020

Just got home from the game. Glover did an excellent job getting us up to almost 30 by the half playing most of the PG minutes in the first half. Johnson took over early in the 2nd half. Refs must have been getting paid by each stoppage cause they blew their whistles till damned near the final buzzer. Billy made a nice speech and then all his boys came out during a TO after half time. I knew
:law:

and Fire Foley were not there (along with many others here ) cause Billy announced that Jeremy was the best AD ever (nobody booed) and gave him a big hug after the speech. Locke was amazing and Lewis played his tough def. It was fun watching Stackhouse dressed in green get the ref to toss him. His player got hurt somehow . We missed that replay. Had good seats. The young fellas played well tonite for the occasion..................

Ancient Reptile · Feb 16, 2020

I watched the replay several times. The announcer may have been correct in saying that the play became a foul when Scotty followed through and contacted the shooter. But it did not look to me as if that caused the injury. I thought the injury probably occurred when Lewis met the ball in the shooter's hand with the force transmitted through the ball to the arm and shoulder. Just my opinion.

Egor's Assistant · Feb 16, 2020

LeeForThree said:
Vandy coach double T and ejected

Man, that was embarrassing. Getting your ass kicked, down by 25 in the first half, and you pull that bush league tantrum on Billy Dee's big day. For Shame.

MertzJay26 · Feb 16, 2020

SamIamGator92 said:
Man, that was embarrassing. Getting your ass kicked, down by 25 in the first half, and you pull that bush league tantrum on Billy Dee's big day. For Shame.

In a hideous all green suit. Yikes.

MertzJay26 · Feb 16, 2020

Ancient Reptile said:
I watched the replay several times. The announcer may have been correct in saying that the play became a foul when Scotty followed through and contacted the shooter. But it did not look to me as if that caused the injury. I thought the injury probably occurred when Lewis met the ball in the shooter's hand with the force transmitted through the ball to the arm and shoulder. Just my opinion.

Thought I saw it “pop” when he ran into Blackshear. I don’t think Scottie’s block had anything to do with his injury.

Ancient Reptile · Feb 16, 2020

Jay26 said:
Thought I saw it “pop” when he ran into Blackshear. I don’t think Scottie’s block had anything to do with his injury.

You are probably correct. That was the only way I could figure Lewis might have done it.

ChiefGator · Feb 16, 2020

I watched all of the game and was pleased with the team's performance. Now the play that a Vandy player was injured on could have been called a minimal foul, but the defender went straight up with his hands also straight up. Where was a little body contact and really nothing to indicate that the injury was caused by it. The coach probably was trying to rev up his team but was totally disrespectful. One technical was plenty, he probably needs some additional punishment from the league office.

rogdochar · Feb 16, 2020

Had a wowser 1st half. Vandy outscored us in the 2nd half = Vandy 47-36.??
When I look at this team so critically, my subconscious must be comparing them to the top teams around the nation. That is a fanatical way. Very few negatives last night = we played almost our best. We need to make a monster out of Payne & Jitiboh. [Jitiboh is a speedy as ocean driftwood.]

All Gators missed several passes to the give & go back door big man. The ball handler does not even look to see if a big has "woke" clear for the basket. Next game watch when a big breaks for the back-door. Even if the ball controller doesn't pass it, the look throws the defense into split-second stumble-panic. That look is a weapon; use it.

Scottie is gaining confidence, so he's developing towards becoming a semi-dominant player. Tonight was 2 hours of non-stop joy.
I'm seeing Jitoboh catching on -- catching on to how much work he needs. Now does this team lose the identity they showed tonight?
GO GATORS. iT'S TIME TO GO !

Woodstork · Feb 16, 2020

Jbossgator8 said:
Locke, KJ, and Nemb are having great sophomore seasons. They have really developed since their freshman season last year and have been great leaders this year. Great job Gators!

Do you have statistics to support this? Especially per minutes played. I’m not seeing anything transformative above and beyond modest improvements that come with a year of maturation and more minutes.

I recall KJ was pretty damn good last year. Seems like the exactly the same player (which in his case is a good thing). Locke is erratic. Perhaps has better numbers with more floor time. He’s no Lee Humphries for dependability. Nembhard’s court awareness improved late last season and he got rave reviews for his development during Canadian National play. He’s been solid but not a transformative point man that controls the flow of the game in a way that disrupts defenses or creates scoring synergy.

I’m not seeing any huge jumps or even fundamental improvement under White. Maybe I’m wrong. Prove it with numbers please.

Jbossgator8 · Feb 16, 2020

Keyontae Johnson Stats | ESPN

Noah Locke Stats | ESPN

Andrew Nembhard Stats | ESPN

numbers up across the board for all 3 players like I said

Ancient Reptile · Feb 16, 2020

Jbossgator8 said:
Keyontae Johnson Stats | ESPN

Noah Locke Stats | ESPN

Andrew Nembhard Stats | ESPN

numbers up across the board for all 3 players like I said

Wow! Thanks for posting. Locke 43.7 per cent on three pointers! How do Woodstorks say"ouch"?

Jbossgator8 · Feb 16, 2020

ZERO credit to White, how could we give him credit for anything. Its all in the players improving themselves in the offseason.

Woodstork · Feb 16, 2020

Ancient Reptile said:
Wow! Thanks for posting. Locke 43.7 per cent on three pointers! How do Woodstorks say"ouch"?

Ouch is 0 for 7 against FSU, 1 for 4 against Baylor... talk to me when he shows up against competition with a pulse. I will gladly slap myself hard enough to say ouch if he hits 43% against UK, LSU, and UK.

Woodstork · Feb 16, 2020

Jbossgator8 said:
Keyontae Johnson Stats | ESPN

Noah Locke Stats | ESPN

Andrew Nembhard Stats | ESPN

numbers up across the board for all 3 players like I said

Thank you JBOSS. Some numbers are up. Some are not. The remaining schedule is a bit tougher than the games played overall so far with LSU again and UK twice. So, they may be a bit skewed. We will know shortly.

When you adjust for PT, KJ is averaging 3 points more per game. Not bad, but it isn’t transformative. No big jump anywhere else. Less rebounds.

Nembhards improvements are so incremental I doubt they would register as statistically significant and certainly haven’t improved team competitiveness. Assists are neutral.

Locke is shooting the 3 much better on average, but elite defenses have had no problem totally disrupting him. 1-11 combined vs FSU and Baylor. Hope he can develop enough to play up to the competition.

CU-UF · Feb 16, 2020

Woodstork said:
Ouch is 0 for 7 against FSU, 1 for 4 against Baylor... talk to me when he shows up against competition with a pulse. I will gladly slap myself hard enough to say ouch if he hits 43% against UK, LSU, and UK.

Lol, youre funny, you ask for numbers that show improvement, which by nature, are averages comparing one year over the next. You are given them, and then you choose to pick the two measurements that reinforce your position, even though the averages are the correct and fair way to do the evaluation that you ask for.

The lengths people go to in order to prove their position are crazy. I get it with the whole Mike White thing, and I am with you, but if you are being honest with yourself, it has more to do with opinion and gut feeling versus fact. Just state your opinion, dont try and bend the numbers to support it when its not there.

stephenPE · Feb 16, 2020

The crazy thing is in many losses locke and others were getting good looks at the basket. I think we should quit trying to live and die by the gdmmm three. I would rather hit a few mid range twos by faking and driving closer than keep bombing. IF we had hit a better % during the year we would be a lock (no pun intended) for the dance right now. The poor shooting has to be in their heads. Glover impressed me last night. He played lots of minutes and took care of the ball. His best play of the night was driving almost to the basket drawing 3 defenders KNOWING he was kicking it to locke for a three.

Woodstork · Feb 16, 2020

CU-UF said:
Lol, youre funny, you ask for numbers that show improvement, which by nature, are averages comparing one year over the next. You are given them, and then you choose to pick the two measurements that reinforce your position, even though the averages are the correct and fair way to do the evaluation that you ask for.

The lengths people go to in order to prove their position are crazy. I get it with the whole Mike White thing, and I am with you, but if you are being honest with yourself, it has more to do with opinion and gut feeling versus fact. Just state your opinion, dont try and bend the numbers to support it when its not there.

Averages are one statistic, a central tendency. They tell part of a story and my original comment was that Locke is erratic. His average clearly improved. His dependability I’m unconvinced.

So, for assessing something like reliability and consistency the average is a useless statistic in isolation. For example, if the average amount of oxygen in my room in the middle of the night was a livable 18% it may or may not result in me living long enough to see UF play decent offense under White. Consistency is required. If oxygen availability spiked down some evenings, for example hitting lows of let’s say 0% or 10% whenever the Gators play FSU or Baylor, then I’d be dead before Mike White showed he could develop anyone.

maheo30 · Feb 16, 2020

Woodstork said:
Locke is shooting the 3 much better on average, but elite defenses have had no problem totally disrupting him. 1-11 combined vs FSU and Baylor. Hope he can develop enough to play up to the competition.

Locke has not been "totally disrupted" against good teams. If you are going to simply cherry pick two of the best teams in the country, then that isn't a fair barometer.

Locke against good teams(I include bubble teams):

FG, 3pt
FSU: 1-11, 0-7

Butler: 4-10, 3-9

USU: 3-12, 2-6

Barn: 5-10, 4-7

LSU: 5-8, 4-7

Baylor: 1-5, 1-4

USCe: 2-7, 2-3

Miss. St: 2-7, 1-5

Ancient Reptile · Feb 16, 2020

Woodstork said:
Ouch is 0 for 7 against FSU, 1 for 4 against Baylor... talk to me when he shows up against competition with a pulse. I will gladly slap myself hard enough to say ouch if he hits 43% against UK, LSU, and UK.

Did the goal posts just move?

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