Gator Basketball ***Official BBALL Game Thread*** Florida vs Vanderbilt

Marine1

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Thanks for posting JBoss. It shows...most (not some) of each players stats improved. All 3 are clearly improved over last year. They mentioned last night Locke is shooting 48% from the 3 in SEC play. That is outstanding. He’s a spot up shooter and that’s all he will ever really be though.

You’re not going to see any of these 3 average 20+ ppg. You still have Kerry, Scottie, Tre, etc also getting shots.

The biggest jump for this team will take place when 3 things happen: (1)Scottie starts attacking the rim (he almost never drives or finishes at the rim). He struggles shooting off the bounce but is getting a lot more comfortable shooting the spot up 3. (2) Tre becomes the shooter we know he can be....but hasn’t been so far. (3) Payne gets more consistency and comfort on both ends of the court.

These 3 were nowhere near as developed in high school as I thought they were and it was immediately apparent. They have AAU style games which is to say the focus was on exposure rather than development. You can see all 3 improving now and gaining comfort and confidence but still have a ways to go. All 3 need to stay at least another year. Locke and KJ should stay also but I think Andrew is gone.

Last comment....I like Glover a lot more than most posters. The kid is cat quick and fearless. This was a big jump for him and he’s had to adjust. Too many careless turnovers but even as short as he is he attacks the rim more than Lewis and Mann combined. I see a lot of Chiozza in this kid and he will be a 4 year player like Chris. He’s going to be a contributor here and while he has struggled at times this has been a valuable learning experience for him.
 

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There are huge negatives shooting 3s, but our shooters can ameliorate some.
1) Wait 'til you can ignore your defender= all alone
2) when our guy is going to shoot, have Payne, Blackshear crash the board , get rebond-putback.?
3) almost every missed 3 is a turnover.

Right now, it is exactly the same old nothing as to whether we decide to win the next game or not. Free Throws are atrociously inexcusable. We could sure use the extra 6 points by way of hitting 45% FT from Payne ... or Jitiboh.
 

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Locke has not been "totally disrupted" against good teams. If you are going to simply cherry pick two of the best teams in the country, then that isn't a fair barometer.

Locke against good teams(I include bubble teams):

FG, 3pt
FSU: 1-11, 0-7

Butler: 4-10, 3-9

USU: 3-12, 2-6

Barn: 5-10, 4-7

LSU: 5-8, 4-7

Baylor: 1-5, 1-4

USCe: 2-7, 2-3

Miss. St: 2-7, 1-5

I stand corrected. 17/48 (35%) against tourney teams. Not bad! Also, my benchmark for consistency is Lee Humphrey. Locke is having a better sophomore year than Lee had by far, and he’s beating Lees JR and SR years where he averaged 43%.

I hope Locke can hit some daggers in some big games down the line. Lee sometimes destroyed the will of the opposition during tournament play with very timely connections.
 

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I stand corrected. 17/48 (35%) against tourney teams. Not bad! Also, my benchmark for consistency is Lee Humphrey. Locke is having a better sophomore year than Lee had by far, and he’s beating Lees JR and SR years where he averaged 43%.
Our problem is our benchmark is the chemistry THE GREAT TEAM had with Billy along with Lee and his 3pt shooting. This team does not have that great inside attack and passion/leadership that Jo had and the quiet but very strong presence that Al gave us. Lewis is like Cory but 6 3 not 6 6........we are soft inside at times. A group of individuals still...... that want to be better but are just inconsistent as hell shooting the ball......one thing about the 04s........they stayed in many games with their defense....(thanks Shyatt)..........
 

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Ouch is 0 for 7 against FSU, 1 for 4 against Baylor... talk to me when he shows up against competition with a pulse. I will gladly slap myself hard enough to say ouch if he hits 43% against UK, LSU, and UK.
He's leading SEC play in 3-pt % and 3-pters made during league play. I'll take it.
Locke, KJ and Nembie are not the reason we under perform on a regular basis.
 

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He's leading SEC play in 3-pt % and 3-pters made during league play. I'll take it.
Locke, KJ and Nembie are not the reason we under perform on a regular basis.

My point exactly. Like all shooters Locke can go cold times but overall stroking it well. Nembhard plays slow but that’s as much on White as him but he does show leadership on the court and had proven he can score when we really need him to. KJ is our MVP. When he plays well....we tend to play well.
 

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When a 3-pt shooter's stroke is off, he has to know to drive and dish off until he shakes off the "out-of-the zone" cramps.
 

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When a 3-pt shooter's stroke is off, he has to know to drive and dish off until he shakes off the "out-of-the zone" cramps.

If Locke could drive and dish effectively he’d get some minutes at the point. He’s doesn’t have a great handle. Shooters have to have a short memory. Shooters shoot. There is a huge mental aspect to being a great shooter. They are a different breed. Give them the green light. The percentages will generally normalize.
 

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I know it's complex but not making long shots at a 70% rate, represents a bunch of 65% rate baskets not taken. And what do your teammates learn watching with their wasted positioning attempt.? The swish of a 3 is the most exciting event but tournament time we can't miss 70% of our shots, not even can we miss 65% of our shots. I hope Locke stays in this one-game zone. and Scottie shoots well. And Payne owns the paint.
 

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I know it's complex but not making long shots at a 70% rate, represents a bunch of 65% rate baskets not taken. And what do your teammates learn watching with their wasted positioning attempt.? The swish of a 3 is the most exciting event but tournament time we can't miss 70% of our shots, not even can we miss 65% of our shots. I hope Locke stays in this one-game zone. and Scottie shoots well. And Payne owns the paint.

If you hit 43 of 100 shots (43%) from 3 you have 129 points. You have to hit 65% from 2 to exceed that. Very few shoot near that level.
The game has changed whether we like it or not.
 

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@rogdochar How is Locke in a 1 game zone? He has been shredding teams in SEC play. He is shooting 52% from the 3 point line in SEC play which is 12 games thus far. Here is the recap of the game to prove it:

Locke, Gators Play 'Billy Ball' in Win over Vandy - Florida Gators

At the Buzzer: Florida 84, Vanderbilt 66 - Florida Gators

Locke's Vandy scorcher was one wonder wonderful game. Sure, if Locke's hitting the 3, fire away. But Locke is only averaging 10.8 points a game. How many reliable 3s are in 10.8 ppg? Locke hits 50% 3s in the games we won { :facepalm: }. That is spectacular. So I'm wrong = y'all just witnessed a Gator Chatter intervention. You guys politely lead me to realize my worry over Locke killing us with a cold night is imagination abuse. You guys ought to serve me with a restraining order? Now I can let my imagination loose on better subjects. { Marine, I completely blanked out the 33% extra value of a 3-point basket.}:confused:
 
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Locke's Vandy scorcher was one wonder wonderful game. Sure, if Locke's hitting the 3, fire away. But Locke is only averaging 10.8 points a game. How many reliable 3s are in 10.8 ppg? Locke hits 50% 3s in the games we won { :facepalm: }. That is spectacular. So I'm wrong = y'all just witnessed a Gator Chatter intervention. You guys politely lead me to realize my worry over Locke killing us with a cold night is imagination abuse. You guys ought to serve me with a restraining order? Now I can let my imagination loose on better subjects. { Marine, I completely blanked out the 33% extra value of a 3-point basket.}:confused:
Very classy, rog.
 

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Now I can let my imagination loose on better subjects. { Marine, I completely blanked out the 33% extra value of a 3-point basket.}:confused:
Every once in awhile with my aging brain I run those #s for different amounts. But I STILL think we would be better served to take the mid range shots sometimes. If only to make the other team think the three pt. shot is going to be faked.
 

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Ques probably takes the most midrange jumpers right now. Tre attacks with a floater but hasn’t been consistent with it. Kerry’s shot selection is puzzling....he’s either inside off the glass or shooting 3’s. You would think he could be effective from midrange.
 

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Our problem is our benchmark is the chemistry THE GREAT TEAM had with Billy along with Lee and his 3pt shooting. This team does not have that great inside attack and passion/leadership that Jo had and the quiet but very strong presence that Al gave us. Lewis is like Cory but 6 3 not 6 6........we are soft inside at times. A group of individuals still...... that want to be better but are just inconsistent as hell shooting the ball......one thing about the 04s........they stayed in many games with their defense....(thanks Shyatt)..........
Well said Coach. Hopefully they are gaining more and more confidence in their teammates so they can play loose with confidence. Then we won't worry about shooting 3's, mid range shots or lay ups because they all will fall with a good percentage.
 

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John Beilein. How do people feel about him? He's going to be available. Mike White sucks.
 

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