Recruiting NSD 2020 Thread: Zach Evans goes to TCU

Oscar the G

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That's not really the point I was trying to make in my original post - I'm not crying over spilt milk. I'm suggesting that we not spill anymore due to the same clumsiness and inaction that was on display for all the world to see last year. Just f'n learn from our f'n mistakes for cryin' out loud. Staff up, listen better, anticipate the possibility of trouble from kids who have had similar problems on multiple occasions in the past - and then mentor/monitor them as circumstances dictate. We can't recruit nothing but eagle scouts, but we absolutely MUST pay attention to any red flags, both before and after signing a kid. If it takes more or better people to achieve that then so be it.
I agree with most of this.
 

Oscar the G

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You are all about making excuses for this staff and it doesn't even matter the subject. His roommate was being accused of sexual assault (twice) and his name was being brought through the mud on both local and national media. How quickly should they have acted?

As far as reported on a television in a national forum on ESPN, CBSSports, and at least the SEC Network (just a quick search). In the written national media USA Today, ESPN, CBS, Rivals, Yahoo, etc...

Now the story of him choosing Oregon and then switching to USC did get more time span of air, because of the time frame it took 2 months and how quickly Florida choose to release Jones and allowing Steele to leave his LOI without penalty. But if you were his parent, you name is being dragged through the mud by association of a roommate you didn't choose, how quickly would you want that change.
I'm not making excuses, I'm asking questions. Who really knows how often players want new roommates? How often it usually takes to happen? I dont. Could be more common than we know. Steele asked to be moved prior to the jones incidents. His name was only brought up because he was present at the time, correct?
You say I'm all about making excuses for the staff, but you seem to be doing the same for steele.
 

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You are all about making excuses for this staff and it doesn't even matter the subject.
bingo.

I'm not making excuses, I'm asking questions. Who really knows how often players want new roommates? How often it usually takes to happen? I dont.
Just a few posts ago you indicated you did. You stated that the staff in fact did listen and were working on steele's request to be moved but that it took longer than he wanted. We all know there is no basis for your claim. None of us have any clue whether the staff did or didnt do anything and your statement here proves that, and also contradicts your previous one.

Dougie is right; you have a canned excuse ready to be thrown out for anything this staff does or doesn't do. You see it as defending a group you believe, overall, is doing a really good job. I think most of us will agree, that in totality, they are doing pretty good. But they aren't amazing and the gap between us and the top couple in conference programs, of which one is a main rival, is continuing from a crootin standpoint. There's nothing inherently dumper or negative about stating this and voicing concerns about things that either result in the reality or perception of this issue.

Whether steele is a headcase, and whether he used the issue as an excuse to leave or not is largely irrelevant to the larger issue which is we obviously did a pretty poor job evaluating a lot of the upper talent level kids from that class - we had a mass exodus by choice and also by admin forced-hand due to kids being headcases and criminally involved. We also didn't handle some of the issues as promptly as we likely should have and it blew up a little bit. Sure its in the past now and we all move on, but there is concern that the same issue could blow up again because of the possibility that there's been no process change addressing the previous faults. These are reasonable concerns.
 

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bingo.

Just a few posts ago you indicated you did. You stated that the staff in fact did listen and were working on steele's request to be moved but that it took longer than he wanted. We all know there is no basis for your claim. None of us have any clue whether the staff did or didnt do anything and your statement here proves that, and also contradicts your previous one.

Dougie is right; you have a canned excuse ready to be thrown out for anything this staff does or doesn't do. You see it as defending a group you believe, overall, is doing a really good job. I think most of us will agree, that in totality, they are doing pretty good. But they aren't amazing and the gap between us and the top couple in conference programs, of which one is a main rival, is continuing from a crootin standpoint. There's nothing inherently dumper or negative about stating this and voicing concerns about things that either result in the reality or perception of this issue.

Whether steele is a headcase, and whether he used the issue as an excuse to leave or not is largely irrelevant to the larger issue which is we obviously did a pretty poor job evaluating a lot of the upper talent level kids from that class - we had a mass exodus by choice and also by admin forced-hand due to kids being headcases and criminally involved. We also didn't handle some of the issues as promptly as we likely should have and it blew up a little bit. Sure its in the past now and we all move on, but there is concern that the same issue could blow up again because of the possibility that there's been no process change addressing the previous faults. These are reasonable concerns.
Cmon, at least be right. It's been mentioned as many times that they planned to change room assignments in the summer.
I agree with most of your last paragraph, but is it defending mullen&co to ask how you know there hasnt been any process change?
 

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It may have been reported widely, but not endlessly.. I heard more about him being a douche for transferring twice within a couple months than the situation causing him to go in the first place..
Respectfully disagree. F'bomb, Brian Greise, Herbie, Bianchi, etc., spoke at length about the off-season problems at UF as late as the Kentucky game. The general gist as I recall was that DM had bungled the whole situation and appeared not to be in control of the program, a third player to be dismissed for assaulting females, yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah. I didn't believe it was entirely fair at the time and still don't. But I don't want to see us to go through that BS again - end of story.
 

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Cmon, at least be right. It's been mentioned as many times that they planned to change room assignments in the summer.
I agree with most of your last paragraph, but is it defending mullen&co to ask how you know there hasnt been any process change?
no, its defending them to act like there didnt need to be any changes to begin with because its all on the kids, without at least acknowledging that the staff recruited those headcase kids in the first place. there's blame on both sides. everybody else readily acknowledges it, why cant you?

As far as being mentioned many times.. yeah, it's been mentioned as a request made, and purely speculation to anything more. there is no information from anywhere other than a confirmation that a request was made. we know nothing besides that.
 

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Weve ferreted out our annual UAA intern counter intel troll.

No one cares about Steele. He was an overrated, undertalented soft ass Californian, just like all the others before him. A soft ass Caliboy who missed mama. Good riddance.

I just wished we had spent our time landing Fla kids instead of wasting months on end in Cali to let English dominate that state.

But watching UAA bytch try to spin is great fun.
 

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I can see the argument for more operational staffers. But personnel? There’s roughly 100 young men. How many staffers do we have now? How many do we need? What would they do all day? Follow them around?
 

Oscar the G

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no, its defending them to act like there didnt need to be any changes to begin with because its all on the kids, without at least acknowledging that the staff recruited those headcase kids in the first place. there's blame on both sides. everybody else readily acknowledges it, why cant you?

As far as being mentioned many times.. yeah, it's been mentioned as a request made, and purely speculation to anything more. there is no information from anywhere other than a confirmation that a request was made. we know nothing besides that.
I can definitely see and acknowledge issues. I didn't say otherwise. What you are talking about is a completely different thread imo. I'm asking questions to gain information rather than just assume.
 

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