Gator Basketball ***Official Basketball Thread - Florida vs Kensucky***

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Cause when you make 1 shot in 12 min in the 2nd half...a ****ty coach with this team could do better and if we do even 2 baskets better in 12 freaking min...we win
Can't and won't argue that, I now just hope for a good SEC Tournament and a Sweet Sixteen. I don't gripe about White so much because I don't think he will be fired no matter what, his family is too connected. Because of that I still hold hope that HE will improve and grow into a job he wasn't ready for. Again, I don't believe he will be fired.
 

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Nembhard and Locke were stifled. Cost us this game IMO

White’s unidimensional offense is so easy to counter by any top team it made Calipari look like a schematic genius tonight. White had no answers.

Lots of folks recognize UF will live by the 3. Locke is a better average 3-point shooter statistically than Lee Humphrey, and yet Locke is now 6% from from behind the arc (1 for 16) against top 10 teams this season. Not coincidentally, Top 10 teams are usually coached by staffs who know how to use their elite players to counter any simple scheme.

Remember how Lee kicked ass against top teams, especially in elimination games? Billy’s scheme had ways to counter teams that were excellent at guarding the perimeter. He could generally adjust and find ways to get Lee timely open looks. He inspired confidence in his players during big games too, so Lee was able to use the three to crush opponents will. No second half scoring droughts. No folding at the end.

You can certainly argue the 04’s were a better inside team and that alone often opened things up for Lee, but those bigs were also much better coached to deliver to Lee at the right moments and in rhythm. Conversely, Locke seems to get open haphazardly and thus may or may not get the ball when open, and even when it’s tossed his way it still isn’t necessarily delivered smoothly. I like Locke and Nembhard wish they had a better coach.
 

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White’s unidimensional offense is so easy to counter by any top team it made Calipari look like a schematic genius tonight. White had no answers.

Lots of folks recognize UF will live by the 3. Locke is a better average 3-point shooter statistically than Lee Humphrey, and yet Locke is now 6% from from behind the arc (1 for 16) against top 10 teams this season. Not coincidentally, Top 10 teams are usually coached by staffs who know how to use their elite players to counter any simple scheme.

Remember how Lee kicked ass against top teams, especially in elimination games? Billy’s scheme had ways to counter teams that were excellent at guarding the perimeter. He could generally adjust and find ways to get Lee timely open looks. He inspired confidence in his players during big games too, so Lee was able to use the three to crush opponents will. No second half scoring droughts. No folding at the end.

You can certainly argue the 04’s were a better inside team and that alone often opened things up for Lee, but those bigs were also much better coached to deliver to Lee at the right moments and in rhythm. Conversely, Locke seems to get open haphazardly and thus may or may not get the ball when open, and even when it’s tossed his way it still isn’t necessarily delivered smoothly. I like Locke and Nembhard wish they had a better coach.

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Where in the world is Omar Payne?!
Our best lineup per every metric is Nembhard, Locke, KJ, Payne and Blackshear. And yet White refuses to play that lineup.


It's as if our players do all their practicing and learning right there in front of our eyes. These boys can't wait to play the game because that is where they get to have opposing players & opposing HC teach them some inkling on how to play. Our Gators get to 'freelance-learn" college BBall IQ as they get beat on the floor.{or something like that)

I do not believe that Payne has been taught the full gamut of inside technique. So our 6'10" Payne gets to learn by being pulled and pouted upon for weeks on end. Also, send someone like 6'11' Jitoboh in there with no faith or hope. That's what White's coaching style appears to be === the silent cold shoulder pouting for Payne & Jitoboh to self-correct and magically become solid ballplayers.??

White, in practices, cannot be teaching them inside positioning. White thinks Payne setting a screen way out for our ball handler will benefit our game better than holding an inside position beneath the basket and for our ball handlers to really, really want to help "bigs" score.??
What we saw in Payne's 19 point game was that just by concentrating on playing "big" and positioning he could be a star contributor. We saw the talent to stick around the basket and score, and hurt the other team.

White will never have a place, a time to develop an inside game. If you want to star inside do not come to Florida. White is a pouter, not a teacher, so not a developer. I see zero verve or spark between White and his players.??
 

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The attitude of "Theres no quit in this team" when you are losing the same damn way every time is a losers attitude to try and make yourself feel better.
There were 3 possessions last night in the final 5:00 minutes of the game when we kept them from scoring and what do we do with our 3 possessions. Blackshear top a 3 from the top of the key, then he turned the ball over trying to pass it back the Nemhardt at the R hash and Johnson tried to make a move and slipped and got a traveling call. Two of those T.O's were from a 5th year grad transfer. Some will defend Blackshear with the use of stats blah, blah, blah, but I look at crunch time and he's usually not the asset many thought he would be IMO.
 

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Some will defend Blackshear with the use of stats blah, blah, blah, but I look at crunch time and he's usually not the asset many thought he would be IMO.

After watching Blackshear this year, I can understand why he wasn't drafted. Probably won't be this year either...
 

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There were 3 possessions last night in the final 5:00 minutes of the game when we kept them from scoring and what do we do with our 3 possessions. Blackshear top a 3 from the top of the key, then he turned the ball over trying to pass it back the Nemhardt at the R hash and Johnson tried to make a move and slipped and got a traveling call. Two of those T.O's were from a 5th year grad transfer. Some will defend Blackshear with the use of stats blah, blah, blah, but I look at crunch time and he's usually not the asset many thought he would be IMO.

I agree he has not been effective of late. Definitely headed overseas rather than the NBA. I really wonder how bad his foot really is.
 

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For someone who thinks the basketball program is a waste of time and AD resources, you sure do like to spend plenty of time commenting about it.

You know he’s just trolling. He tried to make some kind of case that we quit in the midst of a nice run that got us back in the game.

Donk knows more than most give him credit for but he does not really enjoy Gator sports. He has made very clear his feelings for our football and basketball coaches and programs. He also abhors all other “non-revenue” sports.
 

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You know he’s just trolling. He tried to make some kind of case that we quit in the midst of a nice run that got us back in the game.

Donk knows more than most give him credit for but he does not really enjoy Gator sports. He has made very clear his feelings for our football and basketball coaches and programs. He also abhors all other “non-revenue” sports.
I think he pulled the wings off flies when he was a kid.
 

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White’s unidimensional offense is so easy to counter by any top team it made Calipari look like a schematic genius tonight. White had no answers.

Lots of folks recognize UF will live by the 3. Locke is a better average 3-point shooter statistically than Lee Humphrey, and yet Locke is now 6% from from behind the arc (1 for 16) against top 10 teams this season. Not coincidentally, Top 10 teams are usually coached by staffs who know how to use their elite players to counter any simple scheme.

Remember how Lee kicked ass against top teams, especially in elimination games? Billy’s scheme had ways to counter teams that were excellent at guarding the perimeter. He could generally adjust and find ways to get Lee timely open looks. He inspired confidence in his players during big games too, so Lee was able to use the three to crush opponents will. No second half scoring droughts. No folding at the end.

You can certainly argue the 04’s were a better inside team and that alone often opened things up for Lee, but those bigs were also much better coached to deliver to Lee at the right moments and in rhythm. Conversely, Locke seems to get open haphazardly and thus may or may not get the ball when open, and even when it’s tossed his way it still isn’t necessarily delivered smoothly. I like Locke and Nembhard wish they had a better coach.

I agree with you completely.

I also agree that he’s our coach for at least another season so I keep hoping it gets better

Basketball season used to be so much fun
 

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Remember how Lee had two NBA quality big men inside to take attention from him and an NBA small forward/2 guard doing same.

Yep, I mentioned that. It not like Locke is playing with the little sisters of the poor though. For comparison...

Horford 4*
Noah 4*
Brewer 5* McD AA
Green 4*

Payne 4*
Lewis 5* McD AA
Mann 5* McD AA
Blackshear (transfer of the century)
Nembhard 5*
Johnson 4*

Seems like there’s some talent in Group 2 waiting to be coached up on how to run an offense in a way that helps your 3 point specialist, no?
 

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Horford 4*
Noah 4*
Brewer 5* McD AA
Green 4*...........four sophmores that all played the year before with 6 9 and 6 11 inside Corey was 6 6

Payne 4* Fr
Lewis 5* McD AA Fr
Mann 5* McD AA Fr
Blackshear (transfer of the century) 6 10 never played with any of these guys but supposed to step in and BE the dominant center.
Nembhard 5* soph 6 5
Johnson 4* soph 6 5

Now you can see the difference easily between the 04s and this current team. MUCH better inside with skill and size and experience.
Throw in Lee H with the four sophs and you had ALL the pieces to a team puzzle. Add Noah's inherent fire and leadership and Hordords
pedigree ,work ethic and skill set along with Corey's (all sophs and Lee is a jr.) and its on comparison. IF Keyonte was 6 9 and the Fr had a year under their belts it would be closer in comparison. Btw I think Keyonte is far and away our best player. I like Blackshear but he needs a Noah or Horford to compliment his skills. Keyonte is undersized for his position. But I love the guy.
 

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Donk knows more than most give him credit for but he does not really enjoy Gator sports.

More precisely, Swonkey doesn't like others enjoying sports. That is his 5* athleticism: contorting a body of slight error into near criminal acts.
 

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Now you can see the difference easily between the 04s and this current team. MUCH better inside with skill and size and experience.
Throw in Lee H with the four sophs and you had ALL the pieces to a team puzzle. Add Noah's inherent fire and leadership and Hordords
pedigree ,work ethic and skill set along with Corey's (all sophs and Lee is a jr.) and its on comparison. IF Keyonte was 6 9 and the Fr had a year under their belts it would be closer in comparison. Btw I think Keyonte is far and away our best player. I like Blackshear but he needs a Noah or Horford to compliment his skills. Keyonte is undersized for his position. But I love the guy.

True, it’s not a perfect comparison but there is plenty of talent around Locke a better offensive coach could exploit. Some programs specialize in getting groups of talented freshmen to play like a team by this point of the season. Ours has not.
 

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