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Albert

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I had a conversation with my Cowbell booster acquaintance right after NSD. It was a pretty objective discussion and he got in depth on Stricklin a bit. This is what I came away with:
Stricklin is going to be as bad or maybe worse than Foley. He is very much a “deliver results and I’ll deliver the cash” first versus “I’ll give you the tools so you can get results” type of leader. Stricklin comes off as a money saver vs a money maker. When he left Cowbell, a son-in-law to their royalty, no one was very upset. The consensus is that he is way too tight to be effective. It bore itself out when he hamstrung Mullen into some DC hires(think that was mentioned in another thread). When Mullen wants to make a coaching change, hire analysts or anything else, Stricklin is the type that’s going to be right there needing an analysis before signing off. So Mullen is probably to a degree resigned to rolling with what he has.
He didn’t hire Mullen at MSU and friend said he would bet a large amount of cash that it wasn’t his idea to hire him here either, rather he was pushed by a booster or more likely several. The fallacy in Stricklin’s logic is that if Mullen, or any other coach for that matter, wins big- Spurrier, Meyer, Saban etc. (or loses big- see Muschamp) then your AD becomes marginalized. Winning makes his job easier, but he may not understand how much yet.
Friend also reiterated that he believes he won’t be here much longer. About 4-5 years and he always looks for something new. Thinks Mullen probably knows it too and likely factored into his decision to come here, so let us all hope.
About Grantham to MSU and why it didn’t happen: Said it was likely at first but between the bad team discipline problems, never being a HC, and Kiffin coming in at Ol piss, MSU thought Leach was a safer bet, and said Grantham likely feels the same way.
Oh well it is the off-season, something to talk about.
 

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So lets assume this booster friend is correct... I think it speaks more to the bull gators than anything. I’m of the opinion that money talks - and the money is less concerned with winning national championships and more concerned with not bringing the headlines Meyer did towards the latter part of his time. Basically, I think our AD is more like the NFL commissioner than he is some major decision maker - he is here at the will of the top boosters and makes decisions they want. A well paid messenger/fall guy.
 

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He can likely hurt a situation much more than help it. I cannot speak to the Bull Gator’s wishes, because at the end of the day they aren’t the type to handle details. I think when and if Mullen has a bit more success, you could see the purse strings loosen. The more it happens, the looser they get.
Spurrier was notorious for going over Foley’s head. I personally witnessed he and a Bull Gator treat Foley with complete irrelevance once, and it looked like they had a lot of practice. Meyer had the Pres in his corner from day 1.
Friend was very convinced no scandal would land here under Mullen that wouldn’t be dealt with swiftly, and to date he is right.
 

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, I think our AD is more like the NFL commissioner than he is some major decision maker - he is here at the will of the top boosters and makes decisions they want. A well paid messenger/fall guy.
Ive been told exactly the opposite.

The Bulls feel like they are being ignored. TV money and products are the bulk of the income and the AD doesnt much seem to care about them. The bootlicking bureaucrats seems to be more powerful than ever.
 

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There were always rumors that Stricklin and Mullen didn't get along at MSU, which is why it was widely believed that Mullen would not be hired at UF. I also think Stricklin was either forced to hire him by outside forces, or was simply desperate as hell because other options fell through.
 

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There were always rumors that Stricklin and Mullen didn't get along at MSU, which is why it was widely believed that Mullen would not be hired at UF. I also think Stricklin was either forced to hire him by outside forces, or was simply desperate as hell because other options fell through.
It was 1:50 am and the two 10's just left with other guys so you got to grab that 7. But she still looked pretty good in the morning.
 

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When we discuss the hiring of Scott Stricklin let’s not forget that he was 3rd or 4th on the priority list.
He was chosen because he was the first candidate that was willing to take the job with his predecessor standing over his shoulder.
If you don’t like the job he’s doing or you believe that he’s a failure, please be sure and blame those in the athletic department, the university administration, and top boosters that allowed Foley to hang around and continue to pollute the decision making in the department.

Why would any capable leader accept a job under those conditions?
 

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It was 1:50 am and the two 10's just left with other guys so you got to grab that 7. But she still looked pretty good in the morning.

Frost and Kelly? Your tens were wearing wigs, girdles, and pound of make up under dim light, while your seven was a model in sweat pants and a pony tail because she just left the gym.
 

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Frost and Kelly? Your tens were wearing wigs, girdles, and pound of make up under dim light, while your seven was a model in sweat pants and a pony tail because she just left the gym.
Kelly was shyt.

Frost just made a dumb decision. He would have been at least as effective as Mullinz here.
Being second innthe SEC East (= beating Kintucky) isnt particularly hard. Probably 50 teams could do it.

Although Frost too wanted to bring a garbage staff that isnt capable of being elite, he did at least have actual contacts w Florida coaches and recruits. I doubt the recruiting would have remained as poor as it has been the last 6 years.
 

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Ive been told exactly the opposite.

The Bulls feel like they are being ignored. TV money and products are the bulk of the income and the AD doesnt much seem to care about them. The bootlicking bureaucrats seems to be more powerful than ever.
And they are right. This got discussed as well, because at the end of the day that tv income doesn’t really set you apart from the rest of the crowd. It’s the outside money, and how it’s utilized that can set programs apart.
The $5 mil donated last week being earmarked wasn’t a coincidence, more like a really strong suggestion to get off your ass and get it done.
 

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And they are right. This got discussed as well, because at the end of the day that tv income doesn’t really set you apart from the rest of the crowd. It’s the outside money, and how it’s utilized that can set programs apart.
The Bengals/Marlins plan. Just ride the TV money from the contract and put the rest of the money in your pocket.

The $5 mil donated last week being earmarked wasn’t a coincidence, more like a really strong suggestion to get off your ass and get it done.
Uh huh. We will see.
 

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Frost and Kelly? Your tens were wearing wigs, girdles, and pound of make up under dim light, while your seven was a model in sweat pants and a pony tail because she just left the gym.

You're totally right, I regret that post. lol My attempted point was in response to Ox as to the reason Stricklin hired Mullen, that his hand was forced since his first two options were gone, probably not so much due to boosters and the like. I've been a pretty big Mullen backer... and that's why I shouldn't post before coffee.
 

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I just can't find any love for Stricklin; he just seems like a bureaucrat with no nutsack, and has no clue about what really matters.

Mike White just sucks. He reminds me of Zook in that he will have the team looking good in a few games and recruit well--just enough to keep us hoping, but then we get our asses handed to us by lesser teams.
We all know that he is not capable of leading a team to a championship.
 

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I just can't find any love for Stricklin; he just seems like a bureaucrat with no nutsack, and has no clue about what really matters.

Mike White just sucks. He reminds me of Zook in that he will have the team looking good in a few games and recruit well--just enough to keep us hoping, but then we get our asses handed to us by lesser teams.
We all know that he is not capable of leading a team to a championship.

And instead of admitting that fact and making a change, we’re told that we shouldn’t expect to win championships because we aren’t a basketball school
So UF was a basketball school when we were winning championships
UF was a basketball school when we spent $65 million for a new facility
But now that we have a coach with a low ceiling we should realize that thinking we are a basketball school is unrealistic.

Silly fans, how could we be so stupid
 

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There were always rumors that Stricklin and Mullen didn't get along at MSU, which is why it was widely believed that Mullen would not be hired at UF. I also think Stricklin was either forced to hire him by outside forces, or was simply desperate as hell because other options fell through.

From what I've heard, this is more correct.
 

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If you listen to the timeline of dan to UF that the media put out, it definitely lends credence to Dan being the reliable backup plan. Media said 5 or 6 days before the Sunday announcement Strick called Dan on the cell and had a short convo to gauge Dan's interest to which there was some. Then if memory serves me, another call around Saturday and by Sunday morning the hiring was official. Sure sounds like there wasn't even contact prior to FSU week despite us having a coaching search for over a month at that point. He was probably the safe, reliable path if a big fish didnt materialize. How it transpired is of course irrelevant now but monday morning QBing it; I'd say it was definitely one of the best hires we could have made at that point in time.
 

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