Jeffery Todd Grantham

cover2 · Mar 1, 2020

Swamp Donkey said:
No offense but this isn't new. Third and Grantham has been a thing for a decade, and he had future NFLers at every position at Georgia.

I just wondered if there's something X's and O's that you see.

The neverending blitz is fun, but on third-and-long when it's an obvious blitz situation he can't get it done. We still blitz some and we play a lot of soft shell some but he's not particularly good at either when the offense knows the blitz is coming.

No offense taken. I don’t think there’s a lot to talk about from an x/o standpoint. I think he’s probably trying to rely on the DEs to at a minimum pressure the QB, but if they don’t get it done then it becomes the safeties‘ duty to help over the top, which ours are inconsistent to poor at in this aspect. What I recall seeing too often are our safeties taking too long to read and recognize and then not being able to get in coverage. Instead of reading as they sink, they stand flat-footed (squat) more often than not. I think this is how we get beat by the teams with better QBs and OLs.

DCs will often have a chip on their shoulder from the responsibility of getting out of messes created by the offenses. This can lead to a little fear of an O catching you in a blitz and exploiting it. The natural response is to count on your defenders to be sound and at a minimum keep the ball in front of the secondary. Live to play another down and be ok if they are inside the 20 where the secondary is condensed and coverage is “easier.” Grantham’s plan works better against equal and lesser teams, but it isn’t consistently lock down even then. This brings us back to personnel, particularly safeties. Poor techniques and recognition kill us when the QB has time and the opponents get a route that features a clean release, allowing the receiver to get up to speed quickly.

I’m no fan of Mickey Andrews, but he always had a good plan on third down that involved press coverage and a strong blitz (usually two more than you could account for with blockers that came from a variety of angles). I’d love to see more than just a sampling of this from us.

alcoholica · Mar 1, 2020

oxrageous said:
Pop Warner doesn't count.

LMGTFY

ThreatMatrix · Mar 1, 2020

cover2 said:
I think it comes down to not getting consistent pressure with poor safety play of late. With Zuniga out, Greenard gimpy, and depth that was under construction (though we had some youth arise later), we either squatted or got lost too often with the safeties. Poor position coaching? Lack of talent/experience? Yes. There’s a reason we were heavy on the DB recruiting.

Better talent and depth, which seems to be where we’re heading makes Grantham’s style more effective. He’s no Joe Lee Dunn, who japped it up to try and hide lesser players at times as well as creating pressure. He’s more traditional (man under/man free). As long as the talent isn’t elite with the first eleven, I wouldn’t mind a few more games, especially on third down. Find a way to send at least one more than they can block from different directions. If it’s fourth and seven plus, make them get the ball out quick, before the receivers get beyond the sticks, then tackle well.

Couldn't agree more.
But, of course, just about anybody's stye is more effective with better talent.
#jimmyandjoes

stephenPE · Mar 1, 2020

Bait'n Gator said:
I think it's become pretty obvious Kyle Trask wasn't the only person Law donkey caught in his bedroom that dreadful night.

Swamp Donkey said:
Baitn is probably the funniest poster we have.

He just gets funnier all the time...........I almost bust out laughing,.

Swamp Donkey said:
I'm curious as to what your thoughts on his failures on third down.

His ineptitude versus the run is pretty easy to figure out, and is as easy as viewing the size of the people he chooses to play in the front seven.

I dont giva**** what happened in Athens but here it is all about PERSONNEL ..........Nobody stopped lsu. NobOdY. If you want bchhh about his year then bcchhh about the dwag game. But it was PERSONNEL.

WobbleGator · Mar 1, 2020

Fire Grantham.

Swamp Donkey · Mar 1, 2020

WobbleGator said:
Fire Grantham.

W

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F?

Wobble?

soflagator · Mar 1, 2020

alcoholica said:
LMGTFY

Wait, now they added a “Y” group??

What exactly are those people supposed to be all about?

alcoholica · Mar 1, 2020

soflagator said:
Wait, now they added a “Y” group??

What exactly are those people supposed to be all about?

it was added specifically for Ox

Swamp Donkey · Mar 1, 2020

WobbleGator said:
Fire Grantham.

We thought you wuz a toad.

MissouriGator · Mar 1, 2020

Since this topic is about Grantham and defense, maybe we can discuss some other defensive minds?
We know that defense is not not just about coaching and schemes; of course it must include talent and recruiting--of which some coaches get the upper hand.
Some good names have been brought up, like Venables and Andrews, but the other that comes to mind is Woody Widenhofer--the DC and eventual HC at Vanderbilt.
He always seemed to give Spurrier problems.
Just wondering what you guys think of his scheme, because he really didn't have the talent advantage but he seemed pretty good.

ThreatMatrix · Mar 1, 2020

Didn't Venables just give up 42 to LSU?
In any case there seems to be two camps on Todd:
1) He sucks, he'll always suck
2) There's a slight chance he doesn't suck - he just needs better players.

gatorplank · Mar 2, 2020

MissouriGator said:
Since this topic is about Grantham and defense, maybe we can discuss some other defensive minds?
We know that defense is not not just about coaching and schemes; of course it must include talent and recruiting--of which some coaches get the upper hand.
Some good names have been brought up, like Venables and Andrews, but the other that comes to mind is Woody Widenhofer--the DC and eventual HC at Vanderbilt.
He always seemed to give Spurrier problems.
Just wondering what you guys think of his scheme, because he really didn't have the talent advantage but he seemed pretty good.

Don Brown is a pretty good defensive mind. He had the #1 defense at Boston College and at Michigan. He could be plucked from Michigan. He could be tired of working for Harbaugh.

NVGator · Mar 2, 2020

MissouriGator said:
Since this topic is about Grantham and defense, maybe we can discuss some other defensive minds?
We know that defense is not not just about coaching and schemes; of course it must include talent and recruiting--of which some coaches get the upper hand.
Some good names have been brought up, like Venables and Andrews, but the other that comes to mind is Woody Widenhofer--the DC and eventual HC at Vanderbilt.
He always seemed to give Spurrier problems.
Just wondering what you guys think of his scheme, because he really didn't have the talent advantage but he seemed pretty good.

Greg Mattison

Theologator · Mar 2, 2020

Let me see if I’ve got this:

The 3/4 works best when the 3 are big & bad enough to stop the run and get pressure without losing lane & edge discipline. Ideally the offense must guess which position is the 4th rusher, meaning the LBs and star are versatile enough to cover or rush/fill a run gap. Grantham has a tendency to lose gambles he makes to either apply pressure or drop 8, whether or not he’s got the personnel. (I bet his stats on 3rd & 10+ would show it.)

225lb rush ends aren’t physical enough for a 3/4, but we can’t seem to get enough of them. They all need +40lbs or more of muscle. We’re finally starting to build the size/speed on the DL we will need, Dexter being a key. But Grantham tends to gamble (and lose) even when he doesn’t need to.

Swamp Donkey · Mar 2, 2020

Theologator said:
Let me see if I’ve got this:

The 3/4 works best when the 3 are big & bad enough to stop the run and get pressure without losing lane & edge discipline. .

For the most part in the 3-4 you play three heavies and let the linebackers developed the pressure.

If you think back to all the elite lineman that Alabama has had, they haven't really had any Rush specialists as down lineman.

Gatordiddy · Mar 2, 2020

alcoholica said:
it was added specifically for Ox

I think the Y people are born with six toes and no belly button.

Gator By Marriage · Mar 2, 2020

Swamp Donkey said:
We thought you wuz a toad.

Do. Not. Seek. The treasure.

alcoholica · Mar 2, 2020

Gatordiddy said:
I think the Y people are born with six toes and no belly button.

Think meaner

Gator By Marriage · Mar 2, 2020

Swamp Donkey said:
For the most part in the 3-4 you play three heavies and let the linebackers developed the pressure.

If you think back to all the elite lineman that Alabama has had, they haven't really had any Rush specialists as down lineman.

In general I'd agree with you, but there have been some exceptions. Jonathan Allen would be the primary exception to that, though he did line up both inside and outside, but Raekwon Davis, Quinnen WIlliams and Isaiah Buggs all had at least one season where they were pretty solid pass rushers (8+ sacks) and I'm pretty sure they were all DTs. (I have no doubt you'll correct me if I got that wrong.)

Gatordiddy · Mar 3, 2020

alcoholica said:
Think meaner

hard to think meaner when your avatar puts me in such a good mood :)

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