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it's funny you say that. it's not real common for people to train even with just one hand, when a good percentage of combat or self-defense shooting requires that, or with hands that are slick from blood or sweat. many people don't realize their handgun controls are not going to work well under those situations.

How about youre so fukin scared you cant swallow, your dogs are barking so loud you cant hear youre sweating so bad youve fogged up your glasses and all you can manage to do well is schit your britches, and this mofo wont quit tryin to kick in the front door.
 

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How about youre so fukin scared you cant swallow, your dogs are barking so loud you cant hear youre sweating so bad youve fogged up your glasses and all you can manage to do well is schit your britches, and this mofo wont quit tryin to kick in the front door.
That's exactly why you go with a solid semi-auto.... And you can still get it with the marshmallow holder tip for dual use at the camp fire!
 

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How about youre so fukin scared you cant swallow, your dogs are barking so loud you cant hear youre sweating so bad youve fogged up your glasses and all you can manage to do well is schit your britches, and this mofo wont quit tryin to kick in the front door.
none of the tough guys on the internet have adrenaline.

it's easy to say you're a meat eater than to be one.
 
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How about youre so fukin scared you cant swallow, your dogs are barking so loud you cant hear youre sweating so bad youve fogged up your glasses and all you can manage to do well is schit your britches, and this mofo wont quit tryin to kick in the front door.
Honestly, I can never hear when I'm sweating, whether dogs are barking or not! I did shart once though, so there is that.
 

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Some of you guys don't practice enough if you can't rack your pump gun without using both hands....practice one handed with each hand both from the stock and from the foregrip....you also need to learn how to top off and load shells by spitting them into the open chamber...
 

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I have had a gun pointed at me and I’ve pointed a gun at somebody.

Your brain and your body don’t work the way they normally do.

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Some of you guys don't practice enough if you can't rack your pump gun without using both hands....practice one handed with each hand both from the stock and from the foregrip....you also need to learn how to top off and load shells by spitting them into the open chamber...
Jesus Christ I probably got 20-50k more rounds through a shotgun than you. please tell me your instructor credentials.

spitting? I always pictured you as a swallower.

one of these days I'm going to get your ass on a range.
 
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I picked up this little number yesterday in hardwood rather than synthetic. 12 ga. 18 1/2 barrel 6+1 w/ DM. I was hoping to get out this weekend and run a few boxes through it but not sure what the weathers gonna be like. Right now it looks real nice parked next to the vacuum cleaner in the foyer coat closet.

 
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I have had a gun pointed at me and I’ve pointed a gun at somebody.

Your brain and your body don’t work the way they normally do.

Alex.
I have had guns pointed at me on a few occasions and was somewhat amazed looking back at how quickly my brain processed things and enabled me to act calmly - even to the point of recognizing the voice of someone who was behind me, who I had not seen in awhile and didn't really know well, enabling me to tell him by name not to shoot me. On a side note, I decided never to ask him how close he was to firing.
 

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I picked up this little number yesterday in hardwood rather than synthetic. 12 ga. 18 1/2 barrel 6+1 w/ DM. I was hoping to get out this weekend and run a few boxes through it but not sure what the weathers gonna be like. Right now it looks real nice parked next to the vacuum cleaner in the foyer coat closet.


It would be fun to shoot but without being a jackass(pardon the pun) what advantage does it have over a 870 tactical? Mine is 6+1 without any apparatus that might get stuck, jam or fall off and I almost bet I can get 6 more from the side saddle into the tube faster than someone could detach the mag and put another one into the gun?

Like I said, I'm not hating on it I just may be missing something?
 

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It would be fun to shoot but without being a jackass(pardon the pun) what advantage does it have over a 870 tactical? Mine is 6+1 without any apparatus that might get stuck, jam or fall off and I almost bet I can get 6 more from the side saddle into the tube faster than someone could detach the mag and put another one into the gun?
Tactical is just a marketing term.

the very same side saddle or magazine extension that you have is available in the aftermarket... or better options are available too.

There are actually some differences in the 870 police model vs the 870 Express , better extractors ejectors followers stuff like that. But if you aren't shooting thousands of rounds a year it'll probably never matter. And most of the police or military units who buy 870 do not buy stock guns.

you do have to be careful buy garbage aftermarket components. buying an 870 tactical certainly ensures that you do have quality bits.

that being said all of my shotguns have been modified myself not purchased already "tactical".

Either one of those, and dozens of other models will work just fine.
 
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@Concrete Helmet -You're serious right? Theres no way you can reload by hand faster than the magazine can be dropped and a fresh one replaced. Did you bother to watch the video? I'm assuming you have the 870 Express without the detachable magazine which holds 5 shots. The barrel ring fits around the tube so you could increase the capacity with a tube extension which are available. My 870 is the same as what is marketed as a tactical with exception of a plastic stock, ported choke, and raised rear site. It's the same action that is in all 870s. I'm trying to figure out how that makes the gun better for it's intended use. In a home defense situation, chances are way outside you would be firing that gun at a target beyond 15 yards. The 18 inch barrel should deliver buckshot loads at 15 yards with 6 inch groups all day long. It aint a goose gun.
 
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Top Four Remington 870 Tactical Shotgun Options
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Look no further for the best Remington 870 tactical shotgun choices currently in production.
What are the top Remington 870 tactical options:
It’s difficult to top perfection. And that’s what the Remington 870 is a whisker away from being.

Designed in 1950 and still in full-throttle production, the pump-action 12-gauge has nary a chink in its armor. It’s a twin action-bar monster with a milled-steel receiver heart. It gobbles up whatever it’s fed. It never complains. It competently accomplishes any task demanded, short of Afghanistan-range sniper shots. It just plain dominates.

It’s no wonder why more than 11 million have been built in its more than half a century of manufacture. That’s epic, more than any other shotgun (though the Mossberg 500 is hot on its heels). And one gets the feeling the venerable smoothbore is only just beginning to stretch its legs.

Carving its niche through near boredom-level performance, the Remington 870 has earned its spot in the pantheon of great American guns from its dependability. Well, sort of. There’s another angle to the shotgun’s success – its versatility. Originally conceived as a field gun, the 870 has far exceeded its original job description of tea kettling quail and mallards awing.

The shotgun has eternally shed its skin to become something anew – riot gun, SWAT tool, home-defense howitzer, and military implement. Most recently it’s been hung with the moniker ‘tactical,’ though in the appropriate hands it’s always been that. Nevertheless, the Remington 870 as a tactical tool is perhaps among its most popular guises presently.


Of the 30 variations presently in production, a full quarter of the 870s could be considered tactical in nature. But what does that mean in particular? Tactical, like beauty, is somewhat in the eye of the beholder. However, we can narrow it down to a few basic traits most look for when the shop for a tactical shotgun:
  • Enhanced capacity.
  • Maneuverable barrel (generally 18 inches).
  • Defensive in nature.
Certainly, you could tack on some extras such as sling system or enhanced sights, maybe a rail. Handy as those features are, a tactical shotgun they do not make. They’re icing, easily added to a shotgun already tactical in nature. Besides, sticking to the three previously mentioned features opens the field to excellent shotguns that excel in a tactical role, even if they aren’t marketed that way.

So, with a loose definition in hand, here are the top four Remington 870 tactical options available today. They hit nearly every price point and cover nearly every application. Most of all, they’re ready to perform the minute you rack the slide.

870 Home Defense<---------------this is the model I have
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As plain and simple as it gets when it comes to Remington 870 tactical shotguns, the Home Defense is a knock-out bargain. There are cheaper 870s available, but none set up to excel like this one.

In particular, its 6-round tubular magazine – two more than standard 870 models – gives you more than enough firepower to handle anything outside a Hunnish siege. Additionally, it’s configured to excel in close-quarters action with a compact 18 ½ barrel and fixed cylinder choke. The gun’s 7.5-pound heft also does its part to make it practical, keeping the 12-gauge’s recoil manageable, especially if you opt for 3-inch shells.

Matte blue finish on the metal components and satin on the stock, the Home Defense has a Prohibition-era intimidation factor. Though, there is a hitch in its giddyap – sights. Outfitted with a single brass front bead, the Home Defense isn’t decked out for precision work. A rectifiable situation, given the abundance of sighting upgrades available today. Furthermore, a bit more aggressive texturing, at least on the fore-end, would make a bit easier to manipulate. MSRP: $420



870 Express Tactical <--------I assume this is the model you have
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When it comes to Remington 870 tactical options, this particular model is what generally comes to mind. Widely utilized by law-enforcement agencies, the Express Tactical comes out of the box with nearly everything you need on a solid defensive shotgun and a bit more.

Arguably, the bit more is the extended ported Tactical Rem Choke. The porting is solid, helping to tame some of the 7.5-pound pump-action’s recoil, especially if you run 3-inch shells. But a door breaching configuration is a little over the top. Additionally, it essentially makes the 18.5-inch barrel 20.5 inches.


Better to have it and not need it, I suppose. Besides, you can swap the choke out.

On the plus side, the shotgun is quick on the aim with a fully-adjustable XS Ghost Ring rear sight and front blade. The system is proven, and once you’re comfortable with it few other iron sights acquire targets as quickly or intuitively. A nod to optics, a length of 1913 Picatinny rail runs atop the 870’s receiver and it is tapped and drilled for scope mounts. Additionally, it comes with sling swivels, which really round out its tactical nature. The synthetic fore-end is well ribbed and gives you a solid grip to cycle the shotgun through the 6+1 capacity in the blink of an eye.

There is a 6-position stock model, which comes with a pistol grip, priced the same as the Express Tactical and a slightly less expensive one dressed in a Magpul stock. Both end up falling short of the original given their bead sights. MSRP: $601

870 DM Magpul
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Chewing through ammunition like it’s rabid, there is no faster shooting Remington 870 tactical model than the DM Magpul. Unless you’ve been on extended vacation to a gun-hostile country, you already know DM stands for “detachable magazine” – the hot new in shotguns. The new configuration might bend some shotgun purists’ noses out of place. However, the system excels at what it’s meant to do – make reloading the pump-action faster than ever before.

At a safe estimate, the gun could chew through its 6+1 capacity (there are also 3-round magazines) twice over in half the time of a tried-and-true tube mag 870. Let’s not split hairs, that’s a lot of firepower. There’s also an element of versatility, given it’s possible to jump to different loads in the blink of an eye.

Is it a deal with the devil? Somewhat, given it changes the balance and forces you to choke up on the fore-end or run a chance at hitting the forward-facing magazine release. That’s undesirable not simply from the pinch your hand receives, but also from the off chance of releasing the magazine.

From a purely defensive standpoint, the DM Magpul makes the most sense of all the new box magazine models. It comes decked out – ghost ring rear sight, front blade, Tactical Rem Choke and Picatinny rail. Additionally, the Magpul furniture is top-notch, sporting an SGA stock and fore-end. The stock is especially nice, since length of pull is adjustable through a spacer system. The sticky point on the new DM design is cost; it’s a pretty penny for an 870 – even one with a box magazine. MSRP: $799



870 Special Purpose Marine
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As far as the selection of Remington 870 tactical-style shotguns goes, this might be the best looking. There’s something wicked about stainless steel, even if it’s ersatz stainless steel.

The Special Purpose Marine is certainly a top choice for boat owners, those in muggy climates and any residence near or on saltwater. However, blue-water naval service isn’t a pre-requisite for owning a Special Purpose Marine. Coated in electroless nickel, the finish has excellent corrosion resistance along with its dashing good looks. In turn, the shotgun should excel anywhere routine maintenance might not end up routine– camper, cabin, truck or trunk.

Additionally, the 18.5-inch barreled shotgun comes with a few nice touches, such as sling swivels and 6+1 capacity. Where the Marine loses points is its sighting system, which is a single bead. Fast and relatively accurate, it won’t hold the shotgun back in most close-quarters confrontations. But again, it does cost in surgical accuracy. MSRP: $841






 

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@Concrete Helmet -You're serious right? Theres no way you can reload by hand faster than the magazine can be dropped and a fresh one replaced. Did you bother to watch the video? I'm assuming you have the 870 Express without the detachable magazine which holds 5 shots. The barrel ring fits around the tube so you could increase the capacity with a tube extension which are available. My 870 is the same as what is marketed as a tactical with exception of a plastic stock, ported choke, and raised rear site. It's the same action that is in all 870s. I'm trying to figure out how that makes the gun better for it's intended use. In a home defense situation, chances are way outside you would be firing that gun at a target beyond 15 yards. The 18 inch barrel should deliver buckshot loads at 15 yards with 6 inch groups all day long. It aint a goose gun.
Your video showed the DM so I assumed that was the model you bought? Again I'm NOT bashing anything anyone does with their time and money.
I reload "twins" and can restuff my tube in probably 2.0-2.5 seconds from my side saddle. I doubt most people could detach an empty mag from a shotgun and bend over to grab another one(which by the way requires taking your eyes off target which I don't have to do)....here is where I learned it..And yes I practice with dummy rounds...
Which is all a moot point since in a home defense situation there is almost no cases where someone has emptied a 6 or 7 round capacity shotgun....still it's fun to practice.
 
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Thats good stuff, @Concrete Helmet . Ive seen several different versions of stab two or stab four reload.

Crete, are you doing any practical shooting events? you should. most groups are very inviting to new members. Remember you're not trying to "win", youre trying to get better than you were. and believe it or not operating under the stress of competing vs others and competing against the clock does provide that adrenaline rush that you need.

However, all of these stab two/stab four techniques are a very finesse sort of movement. Probably works better at the flat one way range vs a real a two way range, when adrenaline makes your hands feel like youre wearing mittens. probably also doesn't work real well with gloves/ sweat/ blood/ mud on your hands.

The good news is it's REALLY hard to find either a home defense or even a cop shooting in which anyone needed to reload their shotgun.

Miami shootout and the LA Bank shooting are the only ones that come to mind.

Detachable magazine is okay I guess, I'm just not inclined to pick one up anytime soon.
 
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Your video showed the DM so I assumed that was the model you bought? Again I'm NOT bashing anything anyone does with their time and money.
I reload "twins" and can restuff my tube in probably 2.0-2.5 seconds from my side saddle. I doubt most people could detach an empty mag from a shotgun and bend over to grab another one(which by the way requires taking your eyes off target which I don't have to do)....here is where I learned it..And yes I practice with dummy rounds...
Which is all a moot point since in a home defense situation there is almost no cases where someone has emptied a 6 or 7 round capacity shotgun....still it's fun to practice.

This LOOKS really cool and slick, and I am sure you can master this technique in practice and even in competition shooting... and for movies. I'm not knocking it, but I would like to see how this finger schit works in real life, on the two way range, when you have a real adrenaline dump (not a "competition adrenaline whatever") and fine motor skills go to schit.

Look at all the LEO shooting body cam posts on this site... people here comment when a cop struggles to put ONE, double stack 9mm mag in his pistol or fumbles with a 30 rd 5.56 mag, but you think your pinky is going to snag a 12 gauge shell along with another shell and fit it in the little hole on your shotgun that you are inverting on your shoulder to reload in under 2 seconds? I'm guessing on the two way range, 8 out of 10 people, even who practiced the technique a lot, drop their shotgun on the ground while trying to invert it on their shoulder.

Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast... I do know that, and I do know it works on the two way range.
 

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@Concrete Helmet -2 or 2.5 seconds is pretty impressive. I'd love to see a video of you reloading like that. Do you begin timing from the spent shooting position or from the inverted position. Regardless that's impressive time.
 

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I have had guns pointed at me on a few occasions and was somewhat amazed looking back at how quickly my brain processed things and enabled me to act calmly - even to the point of recognizing the voice of someone who was behind me, who I had not seen in awhile and didn't really know well, enabling me to tell him by name not to shoot me. On a side note, I decided never to ask him how close he was to firing.

As for pointed at me, I was maybe 14 at the time. It was a robbery. I was working at a convenience store. This was back during the 80's. It was a silver revolver, short barrel. I remember the clarity and the calmness.

At that moment, without thinking it, it's like I immediately knew what I needed, in order of importance. I've been in tough situations since then, but that event stands out. It was the most intimately aware I have ever been of my survival instinct.

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