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Before I get into it, this is not a debate about whether or not Covid restrictions should/shouldn't happen, whether this season should be cancelled, or any of that. This is my perspective based on actually attending a post-Covid outbreak sporting event and lessons I believe that can be taken when it comes to college football and some ideas for Gators attendance based on this experience.

Last night I went to the Orlando City-Nashville MLS match. One of the very, very few sporting events since March that has allowed spectators. It was a good event and both teams actually decided to play (and that's as far as I'll go on that). Entering the stadium they did temperature checks, which is about all they could do since there really isn't an instant Covid check. Sitting in the stands, which were pretty empty (insert MLS Wednesday night game on a school night no less joke here), but my section was "full" based on how they decided to do seating. This is also live sports for the first time in months that people can attend so there's that. Essentially, in rows of 18-20 seats in my section, they had staggered blocks of two seats on the left hand side of the section and staggered 4-6 seat blocks on the right side. There seemed to be plenty of gaps that could be filled within the section. There is no question in my mind I felt safe. Granted, I do think assumption of the risk is something no one wants to talk about when it comes to sporting event attendance. People are adults, let them make decisions and live with consequences (I really hope that general statement that applies in many ways in life sans Covid isn't taken as political because of where we are). I don't see how a UF home football game couldn't take from Orlando City's strategy and possibly do it on a grander scale (and with some larger groups).

For game one, OCSC gave a very cautious, measured approach with fans that I think could see a decent increase in attendance while maintaining the safe feeling of distancing. When I hear that some schools are doing 25% or less and I think of my experience last night, I honestly believe that number could be higher while balancing CDC guidelines and maintaining peace of mind for attendees. There's a home game next Saturday and if I remember, I'll get a picture for demonstrative purposes. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I've seen the tip of the iceberg and I believe the flood of attendance could come as leagues continue to slowly dip their toes ahead of the college football season. Perhaps the attendance doesn't change during the season, maybe it does. My point here is that I have seen it and seen it work well, while having room to be innovated on. I do believe with the right engineering, UF could do as high as 40,000 fans. I might over-estimating, but maybe not.

Unlike Exploria Stadium (btw, to my friend who works for Exploria, hung out with the CEO, and didn't get me into the box...you get a wink, nod, and side-eye) UF has some natural barriers other than simply walkways in between sections. Example being the North Endzone, you could definitely spread the band out over two sections, place a decent amount of people, but with spacing in each section and the tiered system gives you 3 levels that help separate people. Or look and the South Endzone with not only two tiers, but a bit of space between the upper and lower parts of the upper tier. As well as the corner walls in the four corners of the sideline seats.

Ideas in case anyone from the athletic department somehow reads here. Put a whole lot of parties of two where ever there are chair backs seats. With the small parties, it will be easier to maximize efficiency and distance with these seats. Give the benches to larger parties, where you give them a little bit more room, but gives them a little more space to be spread. For those who know BHG, the bench seats and their size are not compatible with the size of most people today. This would allow the larger parties to spread out a little. If that cannot be done, I know discussions have been had about adding chairbacks all around, but of course this cuts down on seating. If there was ever a time to start this project, do so now. Not hurting anything if you limit the fans so much.

Cards on the table though, I have felt safe most places I've gone since Covid. I have attended both Universal Parks and all four Disney parks multiple times each. I have been to Discovery Cove. I've seen measures taken and Orlando City felt the same way with the sporting event. I think UF should look at these large (but limited) capacity venues and take notes on what is and isn't working. Such as the restrictions that Disney put on passholders that UO did not and how much that has cost them in both money and goodwill. The season ticket holders (who pay booster fees, etc.) are the stand ins for passholders here. Obviously, some will not attend and wish to risk health and gladly step away, meanwhile, you risk losing a lot if you do this wrong by the season ticket holders who do not choose to take the season off. Some have pointed out already that they can essentially be a season ticket holder for a lot less by scalping tickets each week. It will be interesting what UF's plan looks like. Do it right, and your back in business, do it wrong, and you might take a financial hit that lasts longer than Covid. I've seen what this could be, now time for UF to do what the University of Florida does best, Improvise, Improve, Adapt, and Overcome; be the leaders and change the game (think Gatorade).

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Thanks for your insight. But, let's be real. If anyone is healthy enough to spend 4 hours at the Swamp then they are healthy enough to catch, and recover from, the Wuhan bug. The odds are better that one will fall and bust a hip or worse, or get struck by lighting, or get heat stroke and die at BHG than they are of kicking it from the Wuhan. I do not think we have many 80 yr old diabetics with COPD sitting in the stands. Let them social distance in the boxes.
 

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I don't see how a UF home football game couldn't take from Orlando City's strategy and possibly do it on a grander scale (and with some larger groups).

I don't think the stadium seating is the issue. You can restrict capacity and the fans will spread out naturally.

The bigger concern is when those fans are forced into close proximity. Restrooms shouldn't have that big of lines with overall limited attendance. However, entering and leaving the stadium is the concern as you have people stacked in a line, and pressure to 'move' will shrink that social distancing. It could be as bad or worse than leaving a parking lot after a concert, stuck for longer than usual periods as people slowly process in or out. Processing in would be even slower with any measures (such as your mentioned temp checks). This is not as bad as I imagine, if you only have 20-30% of normal attendees, but I still see the need for any event to plan to process ingress and egress effectively, and I'm not sure there are plans for that yet. They'll likely develop as we progress, like you say as other sports dip their toes in the 'return to play'.



For me, my kid has a soccer tournament coming up, first sporting anything (besides practices) since the shutdowns. Rules there are that only ONE parent-fan-whatever can attend per kid playing, so the wife and I will alternate who attends a game and updates the other one over the phone. We haven't heard any restrictions above that for the HS age tournament.

Alternatively, I signed up to coach rec league soccer this fall with my other kid. It's been postponed until spring, but before that they had a decent plan in place. Kids not playing had to stay at midfield and socially distance, each team got an opposing side of the field. All family-friends-fans were on THEIR team's side, spread along the sidelines away from the midfield team and a few yards back from the field (asked not to touch any out-of-bounds balls with their hands). Protocol on a league issued ball for each game that the coach was required to return immediately following the game for disinfecting. Expanded time between games and an urging for all to arrive 'just before' their game and to leave immediately after, no hanging out and mixing with other players or people. All in all, relatively sane measures and a move towards normal. The further step they hadn't explored but considered was mapped routes to the fields to control the flow of folks in and out, but kinda overkill when you have a complex with 8 fields spread out.


Coming back to OP, I grateful to hear ANYTHING is opening up like that. Thanks for sharing. Hopefully we see more progress along these lines.
 

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Why do you have to social distance, or force mask wear, at all? Here's my plan...

Separate the stadium into sections that are labeled:
- "Social Distancing section" aka Dems. This area can also wear a mask.
- "No Social Distancing sections" aka Men. This area can decide on their own if they want to wear a mask.

If groups, or families, want to accept the risk then let them sit next to each other...
- Legend: X = empty, O = Sit
1) Seating designed for social distancing = OXXOXXOXXOXXOXXO (6 people can sit in this row)
2) Seating designed for families and
groups that are willing to accept risk = OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (16 people can sit in this row)
3) Combination of the two together = OXXOXXOXXOOOOOOO (10 people can sit in this row)

:exactly:

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Thanks for your insight. But, let's be real. If anyone is healthy enough to spend 4 hours at the Swamp then they are healthy enough to catch, and recover from, the Wuhan bug. The odds are better that one will fall and bust a hip or worse, or get struck by lighting, or get heat stroke and die at BHG than they are of kicking it from the Wuhan. I do not think we have many 80 yr old diabetics with COPD sitting in the stands. Let them social distance in the boxes.


I am sorry but this is a very narrow view...I am able to go to a game and spend 4-5 hour in the stands. I am not 80, I am just 50. However, I am in Heart Failure. I can do pretty much anything I want physically, and basically do so. Based on what my Dr. has told me; if I come in contact with someone with the virus, it could end my life do to the way this virus attacks the lungs and other organs. (not nearly the same as the flu as most of you post) If I met you on the street, you would have no idea that I am in the group that this virus could kill. Yet, your view and many on this board is that I should not go out and that I should be locked away. If people would just get over themselves and do what is right for the sake of EVERYONE instead of themselves, we would have less spread, and EVERYONE would be able to venture out to enjoy a game to two.
 

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I am sorry but this is a very narrow view...I am able to go to a game and spend 4-5 hour in the stands. I am not 80, I am just 50. However, I am in Heart Failure. I can do pretty much anything I want physically, and basically do so. Based on what my Dr. has told me; if I come in contact with someone with the virus, it could end my life do to the way this virus attacks the lungs and other organs. (not nearly the same as the flu as most of you post) If I met you on the street, you would have no idea that I am in the group that this virus could kill. Yet, your view and many on this board is that I should not go out and that I should be locked away. If people would just get over themselves and do what is right for the sake of EVERYONE instead of themselves, we would have less spread, and EVERYONE would be able to venture out to enjoy a game to two.

In other words, tell 3 people that they can’t go to the game so that you can go to the game. I’m sorry for your condition but in fact what you said about being forced to skip things right now is exactly what you should do. You have a heart condition that makes COVID deadly for you, the last thing on your agenda should be attending a crowded event. And the last thing that should happen is the canceling or restriction of such an event just because you can’t go.
 

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In other words, tell 3 people that they can’t go to the game so that you can go to the game. I’m sorry for your condition but in fact what you said about being forced to skip things right now is exactly what you should do. You have a heart condition that makes COVID deadly for you, the last thing on your agenda should be attending a crowded event. And the last thing that should happen is the canceling or restriction of such an event just because you can’t go.


Where did I say 3 people had to skip a game? Where did I say that a game or event should be cancelled?
 

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They have just announced a $5...5 minute Covid Test...Why not just test everyone with a ticket?
 

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Where did I say 3 people had to skip a game? Where did I say that a game or event should be cancelled?
I inferred it from your response to Pablo that if you're healthy enough to attend a game then you're healthy enough to catch and recover from the bug, which you called a narrow view. I think it goes without saying that anybody who attends a big event like this understands they are going to get exposed to the bug. Pablo implied that the ones in the stadium should be healthy enough to risk it. Sorry if I misunderstood you calling this a narrow view as disagreeing with that stance. I guess you were just pointing out that you can physically climb the stairs and sit in the stands but that you can't risk exposure to the bug. All I'm saying is that this puts you squarely in the 'not physically able' group, at least until the bug is gone.
 

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I am sorry but this is a very narrow view...I am able to go to a game and spend 4-5 hour in the stands. I am not 80, I am just 50. However, I am in Heart Failure. I can do pretty much anything I want physically, and basically do so. Based on what my Dr. has told me; if I come in contact with someone with the virus, it could end my life do to the way this virus attacks the lungs and other organs. (not nearly the same as the flu as most of you post) If I met you on the street, you would have no idea that I am in the group that this virus could kill. Yet, your view and many on this board is that I should not go out and that I should be locked away. If people would just get over themselves and do what is right for the sake of EVERYONE instead of themselves, we would have less spread, and EVERYONE would be able to venture out to enjoy a game to two.
Well no. You say do what is right for everyone. Crashing the economic security for the many to save the few is asinine. Sorry but it is a reality. Our economy needs the majority of people working. Economic velocity. We must stop the “borrow” and “hand out” cycle.

I had a terminally ill child that was forced to isolate to stay healthy for over a year. It sucked for us all and more for him. We did not ask the world to stop so he could go outside, to school or play with his friends. We adapted our lifestyle. The world moves on. Not fair but it is what God gave us at the time. We made the best of it. We did’nt ask the world to adapt to us.

I am sorry for your condition and hope nothing but the best for you.
 

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I am sorry but this is a very narrow view...I am able to go to a game and spend 4-5 hour in the stands. I am not 80, I am just 50. However, I am in Heart Failure. I can do pretty much anything I want physically, and basically do so. Based on what my Dr. has told me; if I come in contact with someone with the virus, it could end my life do to the way this virus attacks the lungs and other organs. (not nearly the same as the flu as most of you post) If I met you on the street, you would have no idea that I am in the group that this virus could kill. Yet, your view and many on this board is that I should not go out and that I should be locked away. If people would just get over themselves and do what is right for the sake of EVERYONE instead of themselves, we would have less spread, and EVERYONE would be able to venture out to enjoy a game to two.

With respect...That's on you. The doctors gave you the facts. If you are at risk and want to be cautious...Don't take the risk.

We went about this Covid thing all wrong IMO. We should have focused on the "At Risk", spent the resources on keeping them safe and let the less vulnerable...kids at school...gain immunity.

I have a family member who just had a meltdown BECAUSE of all the restrictions. Suicide, Addiction and Depression have skyrocketed... So tell us "what is the right thing?" Don't say follow the science...because that keeps CHANGING.
 

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Exactly Nola! If we took DC, NY and Cali out of the mix this country would have never shut down and gone through this lunacy. But NO! The media is centered in these liberal echo chambers and so went the country. Its a real shame for so many reasons.
 

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Exactly Nola! If we took DC, NY and Cali out of the mix this country would have never shut down and gone through this lunacy. But NO! The media is centered in these liberal echo chambers and so went the country. Its a real shame for so many reasons.

I'd go further...50% of those deaths were in Nursing Homes and Assisted Living...Add in Co-Morbidity and this is a nothing burger.

But hey, I am AG College trained...Pre-Vet & Food Sci...What do know?...But it was at an Elite University.

In a few months we'll have an election followed by Vaccines and Serum Anti-body Treatments. We now have several rapid tests coming available...Let's all take a deep breath...we're almost there.
 

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I am sorry but this is a very narrow view...I am able to go to a game and spend 4-5 hour in the stands. I am not 80, I am just 50. However, I am in Heart Failure. I can do pretty much anything I want physically, and basically do so. Based on what my Dr. has told me; if I come in contact with someone with the virus, it could end my life do to the way this virus attacks the lungs and other organs. (not nearly the same as the flu as most of you post) If I met you on the street, you would have no idea that I am in the group that this virus could kill. Yet, your view and many on this board is that I should not go out and that I should be locked away. If people would just get over themselves and do what is right for the sake of EVERYONE instead of themselves, we would have less spread, and EVERYONE would be able to venture out to enjoy a game to two.
Your argument applies to you, not everyone else. You want to go to the game, despite being at high risk for something. So you want folks to do what your opinion of "the right thing" is which is stay away or mandate distancing which goes to limiting capacity meaning some folks who have no issues and are fine with the risks are denied the opportunity for a small group of folks like you. You want others to cater to your deficiencies by sacrificing their own desires/needs. That ain't how a free society works playa. There's always someone with an issue. That doesn't mean others should be forced to make special accomodations. You have an issue that is no fault of your own. While I and many other sympathize, it is in fact your issue, not ours. If someone wants to accommodate your situation out of love, respect, charity or any other personal reason that's perfectly fine. But expecting authoritative bodies to mandate it, and painting those who don't support or accommodate those mandates as wrong is garbage. This is a free country. We all make risk decisions every day. This is no different. If you can't handle something, don't participate. It's on you, not everyone else.

I have a 5 year old who wants to play peewee ball real bad. But he's too small and thin, he'd get hurt and I don't want that. It's his and his parents issue, not everyone else's. My response is to keep him on the sidelines. Using your logic above, he'd play and the opposing teams would have a special 2 hand touch only rule for him. Again, that's not how any of this works.
 

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Soccer should be the first thing banned, China Virus or not.

I'm giving serious consideration to blocking Truth.

Much like rioting, arson and looting, apparently the only sport that lefties find acceptable is apparently immune also from China virus.
 

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I know that facts are not very welcome on this board but....

Age population over 60 - 16.2% - 45.8 Million

People with heart disease - Nearly half (48 percent, 121.5 million in 2016) of all adults in the United States have some type of cardiovascular disease, according to the American Heart Association's Heart and Stroke Statistics -- 2019 Update, published in the Association's journal Circulation.

Diabetes - More than 100 million U.S. adults are now living with diabetes or prediabetes, according to a new report released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The report finds that as of 2015, 30.3 million Americans – 9.4 percent of the U.S. population –have diabetes.Jul 18, 2017

Cancer - Prevalence of This Cancer: In 2017, there were an estimated 15,760,939 people living with cancer of any site in the United States.

So when all of you claim that only a low percentage of the US population are at risk and should self isolate; you may want to recalculate your numbers based on facts. There are many other at risk people than listed. Before you all jump on that these numbers overlap, I agree they will certainly overlap with the older folks.

A bit of info on the younger generation -
What is a chronic condition?
All children will likely have many different health problems during infancy and childhood, but for most children these problems are mild, they come and go, and they do not interfere with their daily life and development. For some children, however, chronic health conditions affect everyday life throughout childhood.

We’ll define a chronic health condition as a health problem that lasts over three months, affects your child’s normal activities, and requires lots of hospitalizations and/or home health care and/or extensive medical care.

Chronic condition is an "umbrella" term. Children with chronic illnesses may be ill or well at any given time, but they are always living with their condition. Some examples of chronic conditions include (but are not limited to):

  • Asthma (the most common)
  • Diabetes
  • Cerebral palsy
  • Sickle cell anemia
  • Cystic fibrosis
  • Cancer
  • AIDS
  • Epilepsy
  • Spina bifida
  • Congenital heart problems
Even though these are very different illnesses, kids and families dealing with any chronic condition have a lot in common. Learning to live with a chronic condition can be very challenging for a child, for parents, and for siblings and friends. Read on for more information, support and resources.

How common are chronic conditions?
About 15% to 18% of children in the United States live with a chronic health condition (based on the definition we’re using). It’s hard to estimate, though, because it really depends on how you define “chronic condition.”

So, not just the adults are at risk. So we need to quarantine 15-18% of all kids as well.


As some of you have stated, nobody is 100% sure what this virus can, will do before it is all done. I will be honest, I am on the fence as well if this virus does everything that they say it can do and will affect people at the rate they say it will.

But, to be so stubborn to resist to the point that you will possibly put others at risk for what you believe is your right as an American! Silly. Wear a f'ing mask in public. Wash your nasty hands often. Do not gather in large groups. This is so difficult that you have to take a stand and put others at risk?

As for the "non at risk" not being able to go to a game or event because others may be at risk. I never said that either. The precautions of having less people at games or events is so that you idiots that refuse to do the very basic safety protocols are not infecting others whether you know you have the virus or not. Just because you do not have or feel symptoms does not mean you are not infecting others.

Go ahead, stand up for what you believe in. I can promise you (God willing) you all will be part of the statistic of one of the "AT RISK" someday. I wonder how you will stand up for what you believe in when that happens.

I now know of several people who have just dropped dead from this virus. They had no underlying conditions that anyone can determine but they are dead just the same.

Now for the big argument - did/do we need to shut down the entire US for the virus? Just in my humble opinion which matters very little. I believe that we should have shut down but no longer than it would take to put the new cleaning and safety protocols in place. From what I have seen, this has been done and everything should be opened up. This being said, if people abide by the simple notion that when in public they protect the people around them by wearing a f'ing mask and wash your nasty hands. It has been shown (facts) that is decreases the spread of the virus. Guess, what? It also help with the spread of other virus's as well!
 

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Soccer should be the first thing banned, China Virus or not.

I'm giving serious consideration to blocking Truth.

Much like rioting, arson and looting, apparently the only sport that lefties find acceptable is apparently immune also from China virus.

You know, you were the number 1 person I thought of when posting about MLS. I expected a response like this lol. Orlando for the first time in MLS (now in season 6) has an aggressive, attacking style. Seriously, it’s been a MacNuss offense for 5 years so it was good to go to a game and know we would be playing to win at home instead of not to lose. Congrats if you’ve read this far.


@sharkbite, I understand what you’re saying, but now this thread has gone down the rabbit hole I was trying to avoid. Plus, you literally described what I put about “assumption of the risk”. You’re free to do whatever you want, but understand there are risks to it. Don’t kneecap the freedom of others to make their own choices.
 

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I know that facts are not very welcome on this board but....

Age population over 60 - 16.2% - 45.8 Million

People with heart disease - Nearly half (48 percent, 121.5 million in 2016) of all adults in the United States have some type of cardiovascular disease, according to the American Heart Association's Heart and Stroke Statistics -- 2019 Update, published in the Association's journal Circulation.

Diabetes - More than 100 million U.S. adults are now living with diabetes or prediabetes, according to a new report released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The report finds that as of 2015, 30.3 million Americans – 9.4 percent of the U.S. population –have diabetes.Jul 18, 2017

Cancer - Prevalence of This Cancer: In 2017, there were an estimated 15,760,939 people living with cancer of any site in the United States.

So when all of you claim that only a low percentage of the US population are at risk and should self isolate; you may want to recalculate your numbers based on facts. There are many other at risk people than listed. Before you all jump on that these numbers overlap, I agree they will certainly overlap with the older folks.

A bit of info on the younger generation -
What is a chronic condition?
All children will likely have many different health problems during infancy and childhood, but for most children these problems are mild, they come and go, and they do not interfere with their daily life and development. For some children, however, chronic health conditions affect everyday life throughout childhood.

We’ll define a chronic health condition as a health problem that lasts over three months, affects your child’s normal activities, and requires lots of hospitalizations and/or home health care and/or extensive medical care.

Chronic condition is an "umbrella" term. Children with chronic illnesses may be ill or well at any given time, but they are always living with their condition. Some examples of chronic conditions include (but are not limited to):

  • Asthma (the most common)
  • Diabetes
  • Cerebral palsy
  • Sickle cell anemia
  • Cystic fibrosis
  • Cancer
  • AIDS
  • Epilepsy
  • Spina bifida
  • Congenital heart problems
Even though these are very different illnesses, kids and families dealing with any chronic condition have a lot in common. Learning to live with a chronic condition can be very challenging for a child, for parents, and for siblings and friends. Read on for more information, support and resources.

How common are chronic conditions?
About 15% to 18% of children in the United States live with a chronic health condition
(based on the definition we’re using). It’s hard to estimate, though, because it really depends on how you define “chronic condition.”

So, not just the adults are at risk. So we need to quarantine 15-18% of all kids as well.


As some of you have stated, nobody is 100% sure what this virus can, will do before it is all done. I will be honest, I am on the fence as well if this virus does everything that they say it can do and will affect people at the rate they say it will.

But, to be so stubborn to resist to the point that you will possibly put others at risk for what you believe is your right as an American! Silly. Wear a f'ing mask in public. Wash your nasty hands often. Do not gather in large groups. This is so difficult that you have to take a stand and put others at risk?

As for the "non at risk" not being able to go to a game or event because others may be at risk. I never said that either. The precautions of having less people at games or events is so that you idiots that refuse to do the very basic safety protocols are not infecting others whether you know you have the virus or not. Just because you do not have or feel symptoms does not mean you are not infecting others.

Go ahead, stand up for what you believe in. I can promise you (God willing) you all will be part of the statistic of one of the "AT RISK" someday. I wonder how you will stand up for what you believe in when that happens.

I now know of several people who have just dropped dead from this virus. They had no underlying conditions that anyone can determine but they are dead just the same.

Now for the big argument - did/do we need to shut down the entire US for the virus? Just in my humble opinion which matters very little. I believe that we should have shut down but no longer than it would take to put the new cleaning and safety protocols in place. From what I have seen, this has been done and everything should be opened up. This being said, if people abide by the simple notion that when in public they protect the people around them by wearing a f'ing mask and wash your nasty hands. It has been shown (facts) that is decreases the spread of the virus. Guess, what? It also help with the spread of other virus's as well!
I get where you are coming from and I wear my mask and clean my hands all day. I did not shut my business but gave those that wanted the option to work from home with full pay. If I did not tend to my business everyday then all of my team would be unemployed. The economy must keep moving. Bottom line there is no way to contain any virus.
 

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