Bulked up Bryson DeChambeau is crushing the ball; wins US Open

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I'm not impressed. Not the game I love watching...he takes way too much time analyzing each shot and should be be penalized IMHO. He's a freakin freak...and looks like it when he plays...but what the hell do I know?
 

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He just looks fat to me ‍♂️
Yeah right. He's fat like a football player is fat.

I think the unsaid thing about him that is really getting under the skin of many people whether they know it or not is that nobody thinks he is good enough to win at golf playing the same way the game has traditionally been played. In other words they feel the only reason he's winning is because of his untraditional approach rather than just being a more skilled golfer. The question then becomes will others follow in his footsteps and take the same approach and also have similar or even more success? If so it would mean the biggest change in golf since TW changed the way the next generation attacks the course.
 

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If he uses PED's? Will Grier should have played golf. All this drivel about his science and brains. All I see is a bulked up dude who whacks the ball as hard as he can. The closest thing I see to physics is in his putting. He understands that the stability of a pendulum requires a solid support so we renders his body rigid and allows his arms to swing freely.
 

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If he uses PED's? Will Grier should have played golf. All this drivel about his science and brains. All I see is a bulked up dude who whacks the ball as hard as he can. The closest thing I see to physics is in his putting. He understands that the stability of a pendulum requires a solid support so we renders his body rigid and allows his arms to swing freely.

Then you obviously know nothing about golf. His swing is totally different than the other guys. For starters, just look at his stance at address. On top of that, every other golfer has clubs which are different lengths....the 6 iron is .5 inches longer than the 7 iron which is .5 inches longer than the 8 iron etc all the way through the bag. Brysons irons are all the exact same length, they just have different lofts. It’s a totally different way to play the game.

As for putting it isn’t about the stroke it’s about reading the putt. He determines the speed of the greens by measuring with a stimp meter before the round, then uses a specific chart that corresponds to that speed. He determines exactly where the fall line of the hole is, the line where a putt rolls straight downhill to the hole, then computes an aim point up this line based on the slope and calculates a precise backswing distance based on the slope, speed, and distance. From there he sends the ball at that aim point using that backswing and if he’s done the math right the putt goes in. The other players aren’t going nearly in the weeds like that. They are just looking at the hole and the green and which way the grain is growing and trying to simply visualize the putt before athletically making it happen.
 

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I'm not impressed. Not the game I love watching...he takes way too much time analyzing each shot and should be be penalized IMHO. He's a freakin freak...and looks like it when he plays...but what the hell do I know?
Sergio Garcia says hold my beer Bryson

 

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In his hey day, wasn't Tiger sending the ball 20, 30, 40 yards past most other golfers on tour on his drives?
 

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Just going to throw this out there but I’m thinking Bryson is juicing. Look back at the OP. He gained a ton over Wuflu.
 

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I’m guessing they get tested but who knows.
 

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I think the Tour started tested several years ago, but back then it was mostly for beta-blockers that guys would take to calm nerves. Now, I suspect it's more for the 'roids.
 

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Dial back the new equipment. Dial back the balls. At some point courses will have no room to get longer. Plus and this is the real plus, golf was about risk reward. Now these guys crush it to the point that they don't care if they're in the rough. The just pull out their wedge to get on a par five, gouge it out, get some spin on it and hold the green.

You used to have to think about every shot, not just how to perform some miracle around the green. Sand traps are nothing more than a holding area so that you can get up and down. They fricking aim for the traps. I'm old and I don't like it.

If any of you are worried about the future of the game and you're probably not, there's another factor. Golf was one of the few if not the only sport where if you were a good amateur you could play with a pro and keep up. There might have been 6 strokes difference, but you could probably be almost as long and almost as accurate. Key word almost. You could play with them and not be humiliated. You got the "I am almost part of the club" feeling. I played with some future tour pros. They didn't leave me completely in the dust. Now it's like every other pro sport. They are on another planet. Many who might be interested in the game will just pack it up and say why try. They're not human. But I am.
 

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The point about the sand traps is a really good one. They totally aim for these things because they can get out of them so easily. I don’t know what the fix is for these days, but somehow it needs to get back to where hitting into a sand trap makes it difficult to par the hole. I don’t know if they need to water the sand a little bit so it’s heavy or what, but these guys are so accurate out of the sand they aren’t just trying to get up and down half the time, they’re trying to hole it. I damn sure know that the bunkers on my course aren’t even remotely easy to hit out of because the sand is so unpredictable. Maybe all that’s required is for them to stop manicuring the sand traps.

The courses I really enjoy playing are the ones where you have to work the ball off the tee. If the dog leg is 300 yards away, all you have to do is bomb it straight down the middle to the corner and you’ll be fine for your next shot. But if the dog leg is only 200 yards off the tee, then you have to work it one way or the other or you have to lay back. Maybe another idea for some of these courses on the PGA tour is to create artificial hazards on the sides of some fairways. At my home course we have hazards where even if you could hit your ball where it lies, you’re not allowed to because it’s “environmentally sensitive.” So you have to go pick that ball up, take a one stroke penalty, and move it back into play. Seems to me the pros could do a similar thing by simply drawing a red line off to the side of the fairway, and if you go over that line you gotta take a penalty.
 

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The point about the sand traps is a really good one. They totally aim for these things because they can get out of them so easily. I don’t know what the fix is for these days, but somehow it needs to get back to where hitting into a sand trap makes it difficult to par the hole. I don’t know if they need to water the sand a little bit so it’s heavy or what, but these guys are so accurate out of the sand they aren’t just trying to get up and down half the time, they’re trying to hole it. I damn sure know that the bunkers on my course aren’t even remotely easy to hit out of because the sand is so unpredictable. Maybe all that’s required is for them to stop manicuring the sand traps.

The courses I really enjoy playing are the ones where you have to work the ball off the tee. If the dog leg is 300 yards away, all you have to do is bomb it straight down the middle to the corner and you’ll be fine for your next shot. But if the dog leg is only 200 yards off the tee, then you have to work it one way or the other or you have to lay back. Maybe another idea for some of these courses on the PGA tour is to create artificial hazards on the sides of some fairways. At my home course we have hazards where even if you could hit your ball where it lies, you’re not allowed to because it’s “environmentally sensitive.” So you have to go pick that ball up, take a one stroke penalty, and move it back into play. Seems to me the pros could do a similar thing by simply drawing a red line off to the side of the fairway, and if you go over that line you gotta take a penalty.
Great post and great points. Your first one about the manicured traps--I agree 100%. At the tour level, I'd love to see them say 'screw it' on ANY manicuring--just let the mounds build up naturally--divots, water ponding, no raking, etc,....to the point where you have the trap look like an oversized inverted golf ball--huge dimples and all. You land in one of the 'valleys' you might have a good lie and can play the shot fairly well. Land in one of the deep, thick mounds and you ball might be darn near buried but you still have to play where it lies. That would make them think twice about aiming for a trap.

Second point--artificial hazards. A radical thought but you could scatter a few concrete pads around the fairways to require some pinpoint shots to avoid them, or if you hit one your ball is likely to bounce into the next zipcode. Put up debris/shrubs/bushese/trees/etc to limit sight would encourage more accurate drives and the players would have to dial back their bravado and go to a more finesse game....the way the game was meant to be played all along.
 

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They could also start by digging deep and making the bunkers really nasty. Think British pot bunkers. Bunkers now are a joke. I can think of all sorts of other ways to put thinking back into the tee to green game and penalize the bombers but not the average guy. Make them take a big risk, if they want to swing fro the fences. The moaning and groaning would be epic.
 

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@Zambo @gator1946 I completely agree with the bunkers. At our courses, you're luck if there's actually dry sand in them. Some have small ponds in them, they're heavy and wet or hard as concrete. You actually want to avoid the bunks all together.
 

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They could also start by digging deep and making the bunkers really nasty. Think British pot bunkers. Bunkers now are a joke.
Pot bunkers aren’t aesthetically pleasing so you won’t see them implemented on US courses.
 

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They could also start by digging deep and making the bunkers really nasty. Think British pot bunkers. Bunkers now are a joke.
Pot bunkers aren’t aesthetically pleasing so you won’t see them implemented on US courses.
True. That was kind of a metaphor for make 'em deep and nasty. I wouldn't mind seeing one about 320 yards out and an OB on the other side of the fairway. It would be glorious, and scare the crap of them. Make 'em think. The average or above average guy wouldn't even worry about them.
 

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Dial back the new equipment. Dial back the balls. At some point courses will have no room to get longer.

I don't understand this sentiment. What's the problem we're trying to solve?

Personally I don't mind watching guys rack up birdies in a tournament. My God, the par fours they're playing are stretched out over 500 yards already. Somewhere, I think Hilton Head, has a 270 yard par 3. Enough.
 

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Move the fricking tees up. Do you play seriously?

Read the part about being left in the dust and becoming just a spectator. It's going to happen. People who don't play don't watch. I can't tell you how many times I've been told that golf is boring. It's boring if you don't play the game and you don't appreciate the strategy. Bombing, not for everybody but for enough, will kill the game sooner or later.
 
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