What have we learned so far this season? Gators Edition

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Defense

Overall: You’ve heard of the 4-3 defense and the 3-4 defense? Well, we’re playing a 1-4 defense. That’s 1 DL (Slaton), 4 LB (2 lined up at DL and 2 lined up at LB) and 6 DB (2 lined up at LB and the rest wandering about aimlessly). Unlike 2007 when we knew we had young studs who just needed to grow and mature there is no relief on the horizon, no Spikes, Dunlap, or Haden who just need some time. We need bodies. We’re going to have to hit the transfer portal hard and hope to get some DL and LB who can play.

Interior DL: Fcuk you Kyree Campbell. I don’t know what selfish-ass thing you did but fcuk you for it. Slaton is the only real interior DL we have. He’s getting double-teamed every down, he’s playing every down, and our defense plays a LOT of downs. A 350 pound man cannot do that. Slaton is good. Nobody can tell because the defense sucks but individually he’s playing great (until the 4th quarter when he’s totally gassed, but that’s not his fault). Don’t be surprised if he’s a late first round or early second round pick, unless the coaching staff kills him this season. Even Conliffe would have helped. Dammit. Gervon Dexter looks like he’s going to be the real deal but he’s a true freshman playing interior DL in the SEC. You will get great plays from him, but you won’t get great consistency from him. The rest are a bunch of undersized stiffs who get pushed around in the run game and generate no pass rush in the pass game. If we had Kyree Campbell, it would make a huge difference. Hopefully his stupid ass can get back onto the field this season.

Inside LB: We have 2 bad linebackers, Ventrell Miller and James Houston. At least they are actually linebackers. They are slow and lost in coverage, but they are capable of tackling a running back if he runs directly into one of them. Burney and Diabate are strong safeties, not LB. I would say maybe we need to put Miller and Houston on the field at the same time except for obvious passing downs.

Edge: Cox, Moon, Carter, etc., none can generate a consistent pass rush on their own. Last year, Greenard and Zuniga pressured the QB without having to blitz. When we did blitz, the pressure was coming from multiple locations and angles. If the QB moved to avoid the blitzer, he’d run into Greenard who was fighting through a double team on the other side. If the QB was rolling away from Greenard, he’d run into a blitzing Diabate or something. This year, our DL gets stoned at the LOS. We have to blitz to generate any pressure at all but when we do, the QB only has to elude the blitzer. The QB can calmly step up or roll away from the blitzer and hit the open man, usually for a big gain. This is why we aren’t generating the turnovers we did last year.

DB: We play 3 corners, Kaiir Elam who is good and has heart, Marco Wilson who is terrible, and McWilliams or whoever is playing “star” who sucks. We need to bench Wilson for Jaydon Hill who at least looks like he has seen a ball in the air before. We play 3 safeties, Shawn Davis who is OK, Stiner who sucks, Dean who sucks less than Stiner (Dean wasn’t great at corner, but I think he can become a decent safety). We also have Brad Stewart who also sucks less than Stiner but is more of a corner than a safety, and Burney who is lined up at LB. You’d think a SS like Burney playing LB would look fast, great when blitzing, and a stud in pass coverage. You’d think, wouldn’t you? Honestly, this is embarrassing. No ball skills, bad angles, poor tackling across the board. It’s a disgrace.

Offense

Overall: This offense is very good but not great. Last year’s LSU and this year’s Klimpson offenses are great. Both had a number 1 overall pick at QB and a first round RB. We don’t have either of those. We have a better TE than either of them but our WR corps isn’t as good as Bama’s this year or last year and I don’t trust this OL to get us 3 yards on 3rd and 2 when we really need it. That said, we can move the ball and we can score. That ain’t bad.

OL: We don’t have a great OL, but they have improved. This bodes well for the future. We haven’t been playing any back-ups on the OL. That’s scary. I figured we’d be deeper this season. I don’t know if the back-ups aren’t playing because they aren’t good or if Hevesey is focused on building chemistry with the starters.

TE: Pitts is Pitts. Just hope that foot injury from the second half of Ole Miss won’t be nagging him all season.

QB: Trask is better. He’s not great, but he is very, very good. Zero depth behind him.

WR: Our WR are OK and Trask is making them look better than they actually are. Grimes is big/tall/strong. He looks like an NFL all-pro out there. He has the physical tools BUT he’s not a polished WR. He’s not smooth out there and his ball-awareness and hands aren’t great. Toney has taken that next step. He’s developed from a gimmick to an actual WR but like Grimes, he has problems with the ball in the air. Copeland doesn’t look any better than he did last year. Shorter is a big body, almost a TE, but same problems. Our best players with the ball in the air are Pitts (a TE) and freakin’ Trent Wittemore. Haven’t seen much of the others. Wittemore is a legacy and the son of a coach. He came here with ball skills. I wonder if we aren’t practicing catching the damn ball enough. Great WR can locate the ball, adjust on the fly, and snatch it out of the air with their hands. We aren’t doing that.

RB: Pierce runs hard. He’s been solid, not spectacular. Malik Davis was spectacular at times his freshman year. After that devastating injury, he was below average last year. Most were ready to write him off. Then we heard great things about him in practice and many hoped he would return to the explosiveness he demonstrated as a frosh. Setting aside the fumble, he too has only been solid, not spectacular. Just like everybody loves the back-up QB, everybody loves the 3rd string RB that comes in during garbage time and flashes. Nay’Quan Wright might be a stud though. I think he’s run at least as well as Davis (and looks to have similar hands out of the backfield) and would make a fine compliment to Pierce. With our poor defense, we need a running game capable of putting together a 7 minute scoring drive to end a half or a game without putting it in the hands of the defense.

Special Teams

Our placekicker is a stud. That’s good. He can hit for accuracy and for distance and on kickoffs, he can put it through the back of the endzone. Our punter is OK.

Our kickoff return game is seldom used with the new rules. Our punt return game is seldom used with the ineptitude of the defense.

Schedule Outlook

This is the year of the OL in the SEC. Bama, UGA, Tennessee, Kentucky, all have strong, talented, OL. We have 3 of those teams coming up on our schedule and we didn’t do well against Ole Miss, USCe, or aTm OLs. We have to figure out a way to get some stops in the running game and some pressure in the passing game or those games might look a lot like aTm or worse.

Who woulda guessed Arkansas hired the SEC coach of the year??? Their defense is legit and right now Barry Odom is the leader in the clubhouse for the Broyles Award as the best assistant coach.

Mizzou found a QB in Bazelak and when they have a QB, they give us fits.

LSU has talent, lots and lots of talent, but all young and inexperienced. I’d rather have played them last week than at the end of the season. Ditto for Mizzou. I’d rather play them sooner before that young stud QB figures out what he’s doing (hopefully he goes pro early). Tennessee and Georgia aren’t going to get that much better as the season progresses, LSU and Mizzou will.

I wish we had Auburn on the schedule. They aren’t good and they aren’t getting better.



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You make a good point about punt returns. We finally have someone who seems to have really honed his skill at possessing the ball, running north and south and being a true WR, but due to our defense, he never gets a chance.

As for the Davis fumble, I don't think you can overlook that. He's simply not clutch and has done this in too many tight situations. He has already lost us a game 3 weeks in, and if we'd lost to ut-'17 or miami last year, his fingerprints would've been all over those as well. Being that we have two other capable backs, he should never see the field again. Ever.

Also agree on Lsu. We gained nothing by having that game moved. Horrible timing and the domino effect with Mizzou just continues to screw us.

On Aub, you should know we were never going to get them on a down year. Since dropping them as an anual, it seems we only play them when either they're a solid team, we're a dumpster fire, or both. It's incredible how they've managed that.
 

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We lost the feed but what we've seen speaks for itself. The Gator football program has been taken over,... conquered if you will,... by a master race of giant space ants.
 
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We lost the feed but what we've seen speaks for itself. The Gator football program has been taken over, conquered if you will, by a master race of giant space ants.

iu


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I have bad news for you. Kyree Campbell isnt good, at all. His presence or absence doesnt change the defense.

His primary attribute seems to be that he isnt strong or capable of two-gapping, which is a requirement for Fatass Dwag.

The reason the dedense looks terrible is the lack of 33 in the middle making up a lot of bad DL play.


As for Greenard, we USUALLY lined him or someone up very wide and gave them a free blitz at the QB. He was much kess successful lineing up nose to nose w an OT but he of course wasnt as bad as our 220-240 pounders. Beinf a 265 pound senior or fifth year (I forget) has its advantages.

I suspect we arent lining up one guy at the wide 9 because we are trying to make up for our lack of size, as if putting one more 240 pounder is going to change anything. Mayne we will return to that and just concede the run defense completely.

Overall I agree almost completely, ADG.
 
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And, yeah, I wish we had played LSU and Ugly EARLY in the season. Now talent will be more likely to winout.

This is why you need great depth in the SEC.

Im not sure our admin would have the team take additional tests like Bammer anyway, but I bet Mullinz feels better about not going into Ugly on a three game losing streak.
 

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I have bad news for you. Kyree Campbell is good, at all. His presence or absence doesnt change the defense.

His primary attribute seems to be that he isnt strong or capable of two-gapping, which is a requirement for Fatass Dwag.

The reason the dedense looks terrible is the lack of 33 in the middle making up a lot of bad DL play.

He ain't Sharif Floyd or Ellis Johnson, but he's better than what we've got lined up next to Slaton right now which looks like a tackling dummy on roller skates. Campbell's presence would take some pressure off of Slaton and off of the inside LB.

Sure, I'd rather have Reese but he's not on the bench. Campbell is on the bench and he's on it for doing something very selfish and very stupid. Fcuk him again.

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He ain't Sharif Floyd or Ellis Johnson, but he's better than what we've got lined up next to Slaton right now which looks like a tackling dummy on roller skates.
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It is Zach most of the time. He is really an SDE, and has developed into a good one. He really does a good job w his base and technique... but 280 vs 320 is still a much smaller dude vs a bigger dude.

The guy on skates is probably #66 Humphries and he has been absolutely fuchsing atrocious. Constantly getting blown out of the play, sometimes even turned around backwards etc. He has had the same position and SC coach as everyone else, so Im calling him a flusher. Unfortunately he is the only DT we signed in the first three classes.

Dexter looks better of course, but he looks like a true freshman.
 

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I of course agree with you though that if we had Campbell (300) and Slaton (320+) and Zach (280) and a 240lb Rushbacker is a much better line than Campbell, Zach and two 240 pounders.

But still there is zero depth bc of shyt recruiting. It was never going to work.
 

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It is Zach most of the time. He is really an SDE, and has developed into a good one. He really does a good job w his base and technique... but 280 vs 320 is still a much smaller dude vs a bigger dude.

The guy on skates is probably #66 Humphries and he has been absolutely fuchsing atrocious. Constantly getting blown out of the play, sometimes even turned around backwards etc. He has had the same position and SC coach as everyone else, so Im calling him a flusher. Unfortunately he is the only DT we signed in the first three classes.

Dexter looks better of course, but he looks like a true freshman.

Humphries has played 6 snaps all year and Lang has played 7 or 8. Humphries only played in the A&M game......and he got worked. He's a redshirt freshman and Lang was a TE last year. Those are our two backups to Carter and Slaton (along w/ Dunlap). It's pathetic. Hopefully Lang, since he's a 3rd year player will figure it out and provide a few SDE snaps a game. Humphries, Lee, or Goods need to develop and get some snaps or we're in trouble. Getting Campbell back is the only positive that could come of this two week hiatus.
 
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Humphries, the one defensive tackle we landed in the first two classes, doesn't deserve six snaps.

he look like someone drafted a kid out of the band.

I'm sure there have to be Walk-Ons that are better than him.
 

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Humphries, the one defensive tackle we landed in the first two classes, doesn't deserve six snaps.

he look like someone drafted a kid out of the band.

I'm sure there have to be Walk-Ons that are better than him.

It's pretty pathetic, considering he's the only DT from 18 & 19. They should have moved over Lang last year, he'd likely be a serviceable SDE at this point had he been there for over a year, instead he got moved and no spring practice.
 

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Had a visit from my cousin and her husband. Back in the 1950s he played football and basketball for a sec school. He stood about 6'5" and weighed 240# and ran 100 yards in 10.8 seconds. Remember in the 1960s UF had a nose tackle at about 200#. Wonder where Grantham would play my cousin these days. Interestingly, back then he was an offensive lineman and only the second fastest OL on the team.
 

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Holy Schit Balls. As usual, a thread started by Alex “The Neverending Story” posts another TLDR. Good Christ.

Our Defense sucks, period. Sucks. Nuff said.
 

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Malik Davis can't be trusted. In close ball games he simply shouldn't be playing. Cox isn't good at setting the edge
defending the run game. He gets sucked inside frequently trying to make the hero play, and we end up getting
beat outside. If he takes on the blocker and keeps contain that will make us much better off on defense. All edge
defenders are taught to keep the outside arm free upon taking on the blocker. It's not difficult just takes effort and
a desire to play physically. We miss Greenard more than I think anyone could've ever envisioned. Diabate should play sam. Occasionally spelled by Moon. Cox and Bogle should share the buck spot, and we need to keep the 3-4 as base unless it's an obvious passing down.
In the secondary Marco simply needs to be replaced. I would prefer Kimbrough or Travez at Nickel with Hill and Elam
as the corners. Kimbrough consistently does well in coverage, which most guys can't say . I don't know if Marco
is lacking confidence, or if he hasn't recovered from injury. But he simply doesn't make plays regardless
of what coverage we're in. Stiner should be behind Brad and Torrance at safety. He just isn't very good at anything.
 

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What changes do you see being made for Mizzou?

A. Kyree Campbell returns
B. Wilson benched for Hill
C. Stiner benched for anybody else
D. Burney position change
E. Diabate position change



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