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Where are the championship trophy stats?

Or recruiting?

Lots of asterisks needed also because the Clowntown and SEC east are stuffed full of moron coaches right now. It is really the same reason people see Fisher's record at Clowntown with asterisks, he did it while UF had dumpster fire coaches.

Finally a little luck for us. We need it.
 
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I see an apple, an orange and a grapefruit.
 

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Somebody on the CBS pre-game called Mullen a quarterback whisperer yesterday. What it did is reinforce for me the paradox that is Dan Mullen. Few coaches are as revered — or rejected — for the way they go about their business or the results generated from it.

Mullen has an 800-pound gorilla hanging from his neck, which may help explain the curved posture. A win over Bama would help pry it loose.
 

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Mullen has an 800-pound gorilla hanging from his neck, which may help explain the curved posture. A win over Bama would help pry it loose.
Hey, if Chizik, Malzahn and Freeze can do it, several times and with less talent, surely Disco Dan can, right?
 

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Those stats are like our defensive stats, look good on paper, but not so much in real life. However, i will say i like this O more than any under Urbs, at least the passing. How much of it is Trask and how much is DM remains to be seen.
 

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He’s the Tony Romo of college coaching until that happens.
Well, even I wont be super negative, when he loses. It will be frustrating, but maybe we will see if this helps recruiting at all. Surely finally beating Shart has to help some, right?

The truth is because of recruiting he is fighting with one hand tied behind his back while dragging a Grantham.
 

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Those stats are like our defensive stats, look good on paper, but not so much in real life. However, i will say i like this O more than any under Urbs, at least the passing. How much of it is Trask and how much is DM remains to be seen.
The passing game was pretty good in 2007, but it declined thereafter.
 

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Back to the OP, the intent is to surprise with how favorably Mullen stacks up. What it does for me is remind how remarkable the turnaround was under Spurrier. He took over what was easily the worst of the three legacy rosters and instantly made us relevant, changing the way the college game was played in the process.
 

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Back to the OP, the intent is to surprise with how favorably Mullen stacks up. What it does for me is remind how remarkable the turnaround was under Spurrier. He took over what was easily the worst of the three legacy rosters and instantly made us relevant, changing the way the college game was played in the process.

Agree on Spurrier’s instant trajectory change. Having attended all home games in both ‘89 and ‘90 it was truly two different teams. Disagree on the roster part. That team that he inherited was very talented. He’s always spoken very highly about them. I wouldn’t put the existing roster at the close of 2017 in that same category.

To the original point of the thread, it’s not that Mullen is equal to either of those guys yet. But the amount of criticism and questioning he receives, given that he’s even in the ball park, is kind of crazy.

And as I’ve stated before, yes the scenarios are different. But the SEC was generally decided by 6:30 on the third Saturday of September. Yes, fsu was a force(and we rarely beat them) but they didn’t prevent us from hoisting a trophy. So law’s argument doesn’t hold water. We don’t have a trophy because the powerhouses right now are in conference, not in Tallahassee. It’s the same reason why you couldn’t anoint Dan as better because he’d have been 3-0 against the noles, as opposed to 1-2 for a Spurrier in his first 3 shots. Different eras, different circumstances. The thing is, one is revered and the other is barely respected.
 

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Well, we’ll agree to disagree. Hall’s recruiting was never more than average. Matthews was a complete unknown other than his involvement with Kyle Morris in a gambling ditty and Emmitt was gone. We were on probation, which worsened the outlook. I would expect SOS to say nice things. Those guys became his.

Several of the current starters on offense were Mac recruits.
 

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Well, we’ll agree to disagree. Hall’s recruiting was never more than average. Matthews was a complete unknown other than his involvement with Kyle Morris in a gambling ditty and Emmitt was gone. We were on probation, which worsened the outlook. I would expect SOS to say nice things. Those guys became his.

Several of the current starters on offense were Mac recruits.

It was widely accepted that our 2018 team was the least talented team we’d fielded in 4 decades. Matthews was a big recruit(something I learned here recently as I didn’t know either), Mills, Kirkpatrick, Jackson and a solid OL on offense, plus McCoy, Richardson, Odom, Culpepper, Bartley and White on defense. I’m not sure a single one of those guys wouldn’t have started our 2018 team(if you take away Jefferson and Grimes).

We have some starters on offense that were here(Toney, Trask, Gamble, Davis, Pitts was committed), but that’s always going to be the case. But the depth was terrible, and most of it was 3* leftovers.
 

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Well, we’ll agree to disagree. Hall’s recruiting was never more than average. Matthews was a complete unknown other than his involvement with Kyle Morris in a gambling ditty and Emmitt was gone. We were on probation, which worsened the outlook. I would expect SOS to say nice things. Those guys became his.

Several of the current starters on offense were Mac recruits.

Yes, Matthews was a complete unknown while Trask had been anointed as the next great college QB by everyone who ...

Wait, that's not right.

I do believe your deification of SOS may be clouding your judgement and abilities in argumentation.
 

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Great post Marine1. We need to be aware of this. Again sofla comes in strong.

1. Mullen's numbers are impressive and should not be dismissed. He has done a really good job. His offensive numbers have clearly been affected by Trask's play. While Mullen can't take all the credit (and his credit is undermined by the fact that Trask didn't start earlier during Mullen's tenure), know one knows how much he has or has not affected Trask's ability and he should certainly get credit for actually changing the offense to take advantage of his abilities.

2. Like all comparisons over different era, 78's comments apply. These are different times and we shouldn't think that just because Mullen's numbers are better - and they are - that he's a better coach. It's not that simple. What is clear is that Mullen gets much less respect for what he's done and that he should get more. Nonetheless, this is true...
I see an apple, an orange and a grapefruit.

3. Next year will be a big test for Mullen. Losing Trask is a big deal and will have a major affect on our offense and team. Imagine if our offense were much more dependent on the run game this year. :fear: Yes, Jones at QB would help some, but be assured that we would be no where near the effectiveness, reliability, and potency of this year's offense. How much will this year's offense affect the way UF offenses and recruiting during future seasons of Mullen's tenure? I hope he has grown and adapted, not simply switched to a different style for Trask, just to return once Trask is gone. I believe that he has grown to some degree, but to what degree is the question.

4. My fear is that the recruiting and defense (and maybe future offensive ceiling?) under Mullen won't rise enough to allow us to compete with the elite. Most, including me, thought Mullen would be a high floor guy and questioned whether his ceiling would be below elite / national championship level. I believe Trask is a once per decade talent and that without his very fortunate ascendancy, and the inability to reliably repeat it, this may be the best offense we see out of Mullen & Co. Hopefully the defense improves, but it would be hard to predict the offense being better.

TL;DR? Mullen has surpassed expectations and that should be recognized. I fear that we may be seeing the zenith of his program this year, especially offensively.
 

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Too early to judge EJ. Not enough passing down reps. Trask was inconsistent at one point, too. Mullen’s offense, at least the way HE envisions it, won’t be running on all eight until the quarterback is a bonafide running threat.

Something has to be done about our defensive recruiting. I’ve never seen us this bereft of size and talent. It’s very unFlorida-like.
 

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Great post Marine1. We need to be aware of this. Again sofla comes in strong.

1. Mullen's numbers are impressive and should not be dismissed. He has done a really good job. His offensive numbers have clearly been affected by Trask's play. While Mullen can't take all the credit (and his credit is undermined by the fact that Trask didn't start earlier during Mullen's tenure), know one knows how much he has or has not affected Trask's ability and he should certainly get credit for actually changing the offense to take advantage of his abilities.

2. Like all comparisons over different era, 78's comments apply. These are different times and we shouldn't think that just because Mullen's numbers are better - and they are - that he's a better coach. It's not that simple. What is clear is that Mullen gets much less respect for what he's done and that he should get more. Nonetheless, this is true...


3. Next year will be a big test for Mullen. Losing Trask is a big deal and will have a major affect on our offense and team. Imagine if our offense were much more dependent on the run game this year. :fear: Yes, Jones at QB would help some, but be assured that we would be no where near the effectiveness, reliability, and potency of this year's offense. How much will this year's offense affect the way UF offenses and recruiting during future seasons of Mullen's tenure? I hope he has grown and adapted, not simply switched to a different style for Trask, just to return once Trask is gone. I believe that he has grown to some degree, but to what degree is the question.

4. My fear is that the recruiting and defense (and maybe future offensive ceiling?) under Mullen won't rise enough to allow us to compete with the elite. Most, including me, thought Mullen would be a high floor guy and questioned whether his ceiling would be below elite / national championship level. I believe Trask is a once per decade talent and that without his very fortunate ascendancy, and the inability to reliably repeat it, this may be the best offense we see out of Mullen & Co. Hopefully the defense improves, but it would be hard to predict the offense being better.

TL;DR? Mullen has surpassed expectations and that should be recognized. I fear that we may be seeing the zenith of his program this year, especially offensively.

To be clear I do not place DM at the same level as either SOS or Meyer. But I do believe he is deserving of more credit than he gets here....and I’m someone who was strongly against his hire.
 

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