Transfer Portal: TJ Moore transfers
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Any transfer out of the program, even if 50 players transfer out, has NO bearing whatsoever on how many we can bring in. I believe we have 4 initial counters to work with - we probably take at least one more HS player, possibly two, meaning we can take two transfers. That's it. So losing Pierre doesn't get us an extra body. That's why I keep harping on Dunlap returning - he'd be a free body (and possible starter). He's already on the roster, so it's not an initial counter.
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It frees up a 2022 opening. We can give his scholarship to a walk-on in 2021 if we're under 85 (a walk-on who is already on the roster).
Here's a Cliff's Notes version on how recruiting works:
Each year a team gets 25 "initial counters" - an initial counter is a player added to the roster who was NOT on the roster the previous season (basically, a new player). Sometimes you can add more than 25 IF you only add say 23 the previous year, then you can add 27 in the current year. We are currently at 21, so we have 4 more remaining. If we lose another 10 players to transfer we can still only have 4 more initial counters. If we lose only Pierre....we can still only have 4 more initial counters. If we add 3 more HS kids we only have room for 1 transfer = 4 initial counters.
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This. People have zero clue about the rules. the only way this helps is by freeing up one of the 85. the 25 limit on new commitments and transfer "counters" stands. (that's two separate rules actually.)
it reminds me of people saying we did poorly again on signing day so we need to go out and get a juco.
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it frees up one of the 85. so in yoears when we are bumping up against the 25, it might matter.
it does not add another to the 25 per year.
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Well, it is added to scholarship not added to roster. ie we have walkons who are added to the roster but who arent initial counters
they dont count as initial counters because they never receive a scholarship.
there are some times when the 25 limit for high school commitments/NLI, versus the 25 limit for initial counters produce different results. They are technically two different rules and two different limits, both being 25, which confuses things.
The 25 NLI limit was first. They added the 25 initial counter limit later.
for instance if a kid commits on signing day but never shows up on campus, he takes one of our 25 NLI limit but is NOT an initial counter (bc he never arrived at campus to be on scholarship), so we can take a transfer in for his spot as an initial counter. Many of our NLI recruits the last few years have been in this boat. Chris Steele DID burn both an NLI AND a counter, because he did show up on campus and receive scholarship money.
The 85 total limit is also a separate rule and totally independent.
There are also count back mechanisms in both rules. since we don't know exactly who was counted as what did this part gets murky.
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I wonder at some point if they're going to modify the rules since they are freeing up transfers. obviously a team can be totally destroyed by outgoing transfers if there's no mechanism to allow them to take extra counters transferring in to fill the slots.
in reality though being free to transfer doesn't change that much because most teams don't have room to add an initial counter. if we hired Alabama's offensive line coach tomorrow and the entire starting offensive line wanted to transfer to us next year, we couldn't. we only have a couple of initial counter slots, assuming that all of our NLI make it to campus.
most teams are in similar spots.
in reality though being free to transfer doesn't change that much because most teams don't have room to add an initial counter. if we hired Alabama's offensive line coach tomorrow and the entire starting offensive line wanted to transfer to us next year, we couldn't. we only have a couple of initial counter slots, assuming that all of our NLI make it to campus.
most teams are in similar spots.
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I think they're going to have to do something. This also has an effect on the APR (academic progress rates) which tracks graduation rates and punishes schools if they're not graduating enough of their players (transfers have a negative impact on APR). Now with the free transfer we're going to see a lot more than usual, especially with a coaching change (or even a position coaching change or a coordinator moving on).
2021 will especially be a tough year on schools if there's a lot of seniors that return. The seniors won't count vs. the 85 cap limit, but many schools won't have the spots to add a transfer (especially the G5 schools w/ limited budgets). So a lot of these kids entering the transfer portal may not find a landing spot. Some may have take a PWO spot with a chance to earn a scholarship the following year.
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BMF says we are not taking a QB no matter who or how good, he is!
I worship at the alter of BMF!
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BMF says we are not taking a QB no matter who or how good, he is!
I worship at the alter of BMF!
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