Dan Mullen has built Florida into an offensive power, but not yet a complete program

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Are you confusing Matt Viator with somebody else?

97-72 record as head coach.
19-39 record as head coach in his last 5 seasons
0-5 in playoff games.
Only head coaching experience comes from McNeese St and Louisiana Monroe.

I swear, reading this thread is like that scene from Platoon when Charlie Sheen walks into the tent and everyone is smoking qualudes or something. Its almost like everyone is trying to post the most ridiculous sh!t to top the other guy, except it is retarded.
 

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Not sure if this is relevant, but planefinder.net showed a blue private jet with orange racing stripes leaving a Monroe, LA airport 2 hours ago. Also, a real estate agent friend of mine showed some homes in Haile Plantation yesterday to a woman named Schantel (no last name given). It's all probably nothing, but wanted to share.
 

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I swear, reading this thread is like that scene from Platoon when Charlie Sheen walks into the tent and everyone is smoking qualudes or something. Its almost like everyone is trying to post the most ridiculous sh!t to top the other guy, except it is retarded.

Im really not sure how to respond to this. You really just one up'd yourself with stupid with this
 

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Are you confusing Matt Viator with somebody else?

97-72 record as head coach.
19-39 record as head coach in his last 5 seasons
0-5 in playoff games.
Only head coaching experience comes from McNeese St and Louisiana Monroe.

Nobody on here has ever heard of the guy before today.....JFC!
 

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Are you confusing Matt Viator with somebody else?

97-72 record as head coach.
19-39 record as head coach in his last 5 seasons
0-5 in playoff games.
Only head coaching experience comes from McNeese St and Louisiana Monroe.
Those places just weren't good fits for him, he's an absolutely brilliant football mind. He'd have us in the CFP in two years.

Walt Bell is a close second.
 

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You didn't really answer the question. At no time was Bama in danger of losing that game on Saturday, we both know that.

I'll give you one sign of progress: we did finally beat UGA. However, can that be sustained? A great QB covers up a lot of warts.

However, I'm not arguing with you that we are far better under Mullen than under Butters. That still doesn't get us to our goals, though. I'm certainly of the belief that this team will take a large step back next season, largely due to a severe lack of talent. The subpar recruiting is the primary reason I want Mullen gone. He's been given enough time now, raised our brand back up, and yet it's still unacceptable. How the hell can you say the future is bright for the Florida Gators if recruiting isn't where it needs to be?

I asked this question in the chat box and no one could even come up with an answer. What player do you expect to be our best defensive player next year? Give me a name.

Hell, who was our best defensive player THIS season?

To your first point, we were a constant threat to them all night. Always a step behind, but that's not really surprising when comparing the two teams. But as much as we're now saying they were in kill the clock mode and allowed us back in(which is exactly the narrative change I'm talking about) they went for it on 4th down at midfield on their opening possession of the second half, after we'd pulled within 11 on our opening drive. They also kicked a FG in the redzone to get it back to 14 when we fumbled. If they didn't feel we were there, they don't do either. We gave them pressure for the entire game, minus a stretch in Q2, which we came back from. If you watch other teams they've beaten this year, including uga and all their talent, that didn't generally happen. So again, if our coach is that far away, and the talent is that far away, then something is wrong here.

On recruiting, we are getting closer there with each class. Between that and the portal, we'll have five 5* players on our roster next season. We aren't where I want, but that doesn't mean we can't get there. Nor does it ensure that the "next guy" is going to walk into these FL HSs and unwind what Alabama, Clemson, OhSt and uga have created immediately. we may still not get there under Mullen. But while we're waiting to find out, we're at least winning. I'd take that over what Bruins/Huskers/Boilermakers/Vols are having to sit through, with even less certainty about the future. My resume of turning on coaches is well known. If that time comes, I'll be more than willing to grab the pitchfork. I just don't see it anywhere near that point as of now. People can disagree. But as I said, many of those same people couldn't have been more wrong up to this point in a host of areas.

Btw, I think Elam is our best player next year, with Dexter a close second and Miller at third.
 

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The Matt Viator thing has come out of nowhere.
 

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Those places just weren't good fits for him, he's an absolutely brilliant football mind. He'd have us in the CFP in two years.

Walt Bell is a close second.
I think Tom Arth would be at the top of the list too
 

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I guess if Matt Viator guy aint available we could just go after Bill Clark. Its a step down, but I guess its where we are at
 

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Nobody on here has ever heard of the guy before today.....JFC!
I think I took some time off of Goon's life this morning. Can't you see him shaking his fist at his screen? :lol:

Asking stupid questions (like "Who would YOU hire?") should always constitute stupid answers.
 

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That's frightening if true. Terrifying.

I'm not sure he wasn't 3rd or 4th behind Grenard, CJH and Zuniga last year. When we talk about recruiting at a high level, he's one of those guys that we were fighting the big names for. Like Dexter and Princely.

I get that he didn't look the part, but in the right scheme, and with good coaching, he'll be solid next year. It's why I want both TG's gone.
 

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Those places just weren't good fits for him, he's an absolutely brilliant football mind. He'd have us in the CFP in two years.

Walt Bell is a close second.


Now you’re getting serious....great football name too!
 

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Ox - two quick questions:

First, what time did you and Law get on the phone last night to gameplan this :stirpot: thread? And secondly, have you guys ironed out what you're getting each other for Christmas?
 

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That was a good read and good analysis about the state of the program.

A lot of good stuff has been posted already, so won't repeat anything, but a few things to add that hasn't been mentioned:

1) Mullen came here promising more points on offense, saying that when Florida is at it's best, we're scoring and having a high-flying offense. On that, he's delivered. I didn't really like Franks as a QB, but Mullen used his strengths and we did improve our production on this side of the ball. Three years into the Mullen reign and Florida has definitely been a premier offensive team.

Why is this important?

Offense wins championships in this day and age. Even Saban/Bama have recognized this and adapted. The most recent SEC shorts video even laughingly mentioned this, with the A&M guy saying "if 2009 Alabama could hear you know" and the Bama actor saying something to the effect of "adapt to survive." It's true: defense is still vital (our lack of even a serviceable defense cost us a shot at the Playoffs and more victories); but it alone won't win championships anymore.

Mullen has proven himself an elite offensive mind (the breakdown of the UGAy game was excellent in highlighting his schemes); now he needs to evolve and add in overall program management.

2) Mullen's recruiting has been subpar. It was a big reason I wasn't sold on him as the hire when it was announced; and he hasn't covered himself in glory there, as none of our classes have been top 5 and that puts a severe handicap on what we can accomplish. Granted, he's improved things slightly above the Chump/Butters years (we're getting 4* instead of 3, etc.), but not getting enough of the can't-miss 5* guys that directly lead to championships.

What I will acknowledge is that for all his failures on the actual recruiting front, he's done a pretty good job picking up highly-rated transfers. Greenard, Van Jefferson, Grimes, Cox and Shorter have all been difference-makers in the past two seasons (before anyone jumps on this *cough* Donkey...Cox/Shorter are at the bottom of this list for a reason...). It's not insignificant and hitting the transfer waivers hard has brought in immediate production on both sides of the ball. It's what we ask/expect of a head coach at the end of the day. Sure, recruiting makes a huge difference, but if Mullen is a top 3 coach at selling/closing inbound transfers then that counts for something.

To conclude on a point *everyone* seemingly agrees with: Mullen needs to make a few changes this offseason. We aren't far off where we need to be, but it's up to him to recognize and learn. Grantham is a dud. His schemes throughout the season did more harm than good and he utterly failed to put his players in position to succeed. He absolutely needs to go, as we're not winning anything, ever, with him as a DC. That much is clear. He also needs someone to help with clock management, since this is a recurring issue. Go to the AD and ask for money to hire an asst to fix this. It's cheap at the price if it adds a win at the end of the year to our record (and there's at least one game every year we could have won with better time management).

Our problems are correctable IF there's a will to make the tough changes. Mullen's earned himself some goodwill here and I'm fine with giving him another year to see what he does since he's admittedly brilliant on the side of the ball that we need to be successful at in the modern game.
 

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I think I took some time off of Goon's life this morning. Can't you see him shaking his fist at his screen? :lol:

Asking stupid questions (like "Who would YOU hire?") should always constitute stupid answers.

I was on to your crap....pfffft....:boring:
 

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