With players opting out of Bowl games, is it time for an expanded playoff?

ThreatMatrix

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I remind you that Auburn went 13-0 and won the SEC, and still were left out of the 2004 NC game. I believe the decision makers would love the opportunity to stick it to Florida if the opportunity was there.
USC's title was vacated that year so Auburn gets to claim it. See, it all worked out.
 

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Excuse me, one of the games we lost was to the likely eventual champion, Alabama, and they beat us by six points. We had a chance to win at the end. But you're convinced we'd have zero chance in a rematch against them or another team of their caliber.

So, you're a defeatist. You're afraid for your football team to play football games because they might lose. You've already decided they're going to lose, in fact, so why bother?

Put your Gator Card on top of @GatorInGeorgia's and pass it down. I don't know how he even got a card anyway. They're not valid in Georgia. What Gator would live there? Disgusting. Where do you live, by the way? Probably Alabama. That's why you like things the way they are.

WE DON'T DESERVE IT. We had our chance. We lost three ****ing games. Damn you are a poster child for participation trophies. Maybe Ox can change your avatar to a participation trophy.

And you still haven't answered my question.
 

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Can't agree more.
Florida plays FSU and, God willing, the SEC championship game. That's our playoffs. We win those two we're gonna be 1 or 2 every ****ing year. Why the fuk would we want to have to play shytty playoff games?
because were not going to win those two games every single year.
lucky to win those two every five years or even ten years
 

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Yeah well, I wish we won those games too, but wish in one hand and sh*t in the other, and tell me which one fills fastest.

I know that doesn't really add anything to the discussion but I just felt like using that saying. It's the kind of thing that will make me laugh when I read it back, even though I'm the one who wrote it.

I see the alcohol is kicking in enough for you to feel buzzed, but not enough for the a$$hole to come out. It’s early.
 

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Well I guess I respect that opinion, if I'm correct in presuming that you would continue to enjoy watching the Gators (and other teams) playing for the rest of the year even after they were eliminated from championship contention by early-season stumbles. If accurate, that means you enjoy watching football just to watch football, and aren't consumed with winning the title every year. Good for you.

On the other hand if you tune out from closely following the Gators after they get eliminated, then you're one of these guys I'm talking about who doesn't so much care about the sport of football per se, but uses it as a premise for having identity-based camaraderie with others. Which is fine too. But the opinions of people in that boat shouldn't be considered when determining the direction of the CFP system, IMO.
Interesting takes there Gordon. I fall into the enjoy watching football category, but I am most definitely consumed with winning the title at all times. That said, I never tune out from gator football even after we’re out of it. Believe me, there have been times when I wished I could tune out, but I just can’t.

As far as identity based camaraderie is concerned, your post is the first time I’ve ever heard of that term. I think I’ve run across many that fall into that category. They’re usually the people I yell at to stop standing in front of the TV when the game is on. I completely agree that the opinions from that group shouldn’t matter, but I also think that’s the group that is most interested in an expanded playoff.
 

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...and if anyone is considering responding to this by saying something like, "yeah, but out of those 125 teams, there's never more than four that deserve to play for the championship," then please also include your address so I can come punch you in the face. :box:
Rarely are there more than 2 teams that deserve to play for the championship.
 

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What can I say, I'm a revolutionary!!!

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Have you heard my idea about expanding to an 8-team playoff?? BEST THING SINCE HAM SAMMYS

So you finally admit that you can be pretty revolting at times. Admission is the first step.
 

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Rarely are there more than 2 teams that deserve to play for the championship.

There were a few “third team” years every so often in the BCS era.

‘00, ‘03, ‘04, ‘06(in theory), ‘08, and ‘11. That’s less than half the time. None of those years contained a valid fourth argument. I get that four makes sense if you’re going to do it at all, so fine.

But even this year we’re bickering about who’s more deserving—a team that’s played 6 games and looked average at best, a team that just got boat raced effectively negating their earlier victory over that team, or the team who couldn’t stay within 3 scores of #1 in their head to head, while their coach’s exwife is banging the entire state of Texas(it’s a relevant detail). This year may be a little extreme in that regard, but it’s yet another shining example that there are almost never more than two legit championship contenders.

Go back to the BCS formula which put a huge emphasis on the human polls, and let it decide who the best 4 teams are(or 3 with an incentive to have a bye).
 

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So the NCAA D-1A men’s basketball championship team isn’t really the true champion in your opinion because a selection committee made up of humans decides which teams are given at-large berths and which teams are left out of the tournament, right???

So, again, in your 8 team playoff with the 5 P-5 champs & the 3 at-large teams, how are the at-large teams selected?? Do tell.

The D1 BB commitee does have an influence on the bubble teams but for the most part, their biggest impact is on seeding. Not even the same.

No way in Hades someone as dense as you went to UF. Santa Fe maybe?
 

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Justification for going to a bowl game from my perspective as a fan? Um, I like watching bowl games better than watching Dancing With The Stars sobI need the football teams to show up and play so I can watch.

Well I guess you like being 17down in the 1st.

Grantham is dancing with the stars...it ain't Football.
 
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How you equate me enjoying watching bowl games to enjoying seeing us down by 17 is puzzling...:scratchhead:
You are puzzling.
These Bowl Games are useless but we play with half the team opting out so guys like you can watch?
 

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How does any of that equate to me enjoying seeing us down 17-0? :scratchhead:

How do you equate to Gator fan?

All this game shows the world is...if you are a defensive play don't come to UF with Grantham coaching.
 

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College football isn't NASCAR. We don't need to tweak sh_it every year to try and chase younger fans with the attention span of a gnat. Up until this abortion of a season the 4 team playoff worked fine. I see zero reason to expand it. Absolutely none.

This is especially true when it comes to opt outs. That needs to be dealt with from a financial and social perspective. If you betray your team and opt out, you should be treated as a non-person by the university and you should be required to repay every cent the university spent on you. If you won any awards the year you opt out, including the Heisman, you forfeit them. You should be removed from everything that was accomplished that year. No rings for conference champs. Nothing. If you don't want to play the games, then you get nothing.

Every time anything is changed (see targeting etc) it pussifies the sport and we move farther and farther away from the sport we grew up loving. This may be ok for children with little life experience, and those who have no respect for what football used to be. But its not to me. I want to see more hits like the one delivered to Joey Kent. Reggie Nelson would be thrown out of most of the games now. That's BS.

Alabama vs. UAB, Ohio State vs. Ball State & Clemson vs San Jose St. isn’t meaningful football. As far as reducing opt outs, if I’m Najee Harris and I’ve got to risk injury at the very end of my college career against a non-deserving UAB team just so the public can be happy that the “little guy” got his shot, I’d be inclined to say fcvk it, I’m opting out. And I nor any NFL scout would hold it against him. Same goes for an 8 team playoff. It’s just a watered down schyt show.

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YEEEEEESSSS!!! I cannot like this post enough. When I read the thread title, these were my exact thoughts.

This me first, pussified generation of athletes has dampened my love of sports in a big way. If you wanna opt out of playing the game, you should lose your scholarship. It's that simple. The bowl game is still a part of that college football season. And as a student athlete, you should be required to play in it.

And I know I'm going to get crucified for this, but IDGAF what anyone thinks.

The bowls are meaningless ... and always have been. I've felt that way since being a Gator fan in the early '90s and I still feel that way today.

Something else I've felt since then?

We need a minimum 8 team playoff.

Today, I still want an 8 team playoff, but now that's the maximum.

Like JBoss said, tradition for the sake of tradition is stupid... just as change for the sake of change is. ALL other American sports have a playoff, professional and college. Why has college football been the only outlier? And WTF has this always been okay until only recently?

Undefeated teams like Cincy deserve a shot. Sure they might get annihilated, but they might shock a Bama who's not played a team like that. And that's what makes it fun.

The NCAA tournament is the greatest post season in sports. I think an 8 team playoff would have a similar effect. And if it's a bit watered down in that first round? So what! Many first round NCAA tourney games are just that too. Plus, it's more football and eventually the have-nots will likely get exposed anyway, and we'll be left with the best teams standing. And if not, well, that's the beauty of a playoff. So what's everyone crying about?

@GatorInGeorgia

Sorry, GatorInGeorgia, but I disagree. See my response above. If Harris doesn't want to play, scholarship revoked, kicked off the team IMO. What happened to playing for pride, for your University, for your damn teammates? Nope, instead let's put me above the team, because that's what today's generation of selfish a-holes is about.
 

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Lay off the booze, day drinking doesn’t sit well with you. 1995, 1998 & 1999 seasons all had #1 vs #2 playing each other in the bowl game. I didn’t say every year had 1 vs 2, prior to the BCS, but it did happen. I didn’t make anything up nor say anything unsubstantiated.

Every championship determination process, including playoffs, has a human element to it that shapes & influences said process. If you don’t like that, maybe sports isn’t your thing. If you want to deny this to be the case, I can’t help you.

95-96 season did end with the #1 Nebraska vs #2 Florida
96-97 season ended with #1 FSU vs #3 Florida in the Sugar, #2 Arizon State vs #4 Ohio State in the Rose
97-98 season ended with #2 Nebraska vs #3 Tennessee, #1 Michigan playing in the Rose Bowl, split National

1999 was the start of the BCS and the inclusion of the Big10 and Pac12...
#1 FSU vs #2 Va Tech in the Sugar

So of your data 95, 99 were the only two years that had a true #1 vs #2
 

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