Trask has to be in the driver's seat for the Heisman, right?

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Just a reminder. Nowhere in this definition is team, won-loss or ranking mentioned.
I was assured we were winning.

Thanks Dan! For practicing twice and playing "the practice squad".

EVERYBODY needs another week's vacation (after you took 12 this year already) the week before a bowl.
 

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THE HEISMAN “TRUST

The “outstanding college football player whose performance

(43 TDS, 5 picks and around 4,100 yards at the time of the vote)

... best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. The winners of the trophy epitomize great ability combined with diligence,

(Played behind King at Manvel High and the Giraffe at UF. Had never started, period.)

perseverance

(Came back from a pair of season-ending leg injuries)

and hard work.

(After a rock solid junior year coming on after the season-ending injury to Franks, he worked his arse off during the offseason to produce an even better senior year)

If this award is really about the things they say, then the voters just laid a colossal egg. Can you imagine a college player who more exemplified the things the Heisman purports to represent than Kyle Trask?

I can’t.
 

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@delatorre: Kyle Trask was left off of 452 of 903 Heisman ballots cast. Trask received: 61 first place votes 164 second place votes 226 third place votes (Full voting breakdown below, Kyle Pitts earned 17 votes)
 

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This went almost exactly as I thought it would go, but not how it should have gone. While I expected Smith to win the Heisman and deservedly so, there's no way in hell T. Lawrence should have been second. I thought Trask would end up 4th and Lawrence 3rd, but that's because:

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Having said that, Lawrence should NOT have even been in the top five. The dude missed like half of an already shortened season and played worse than he did last year and worse than the other two QBs in the race. But when you rely on humans to do the right thing, this is what you get.

But I also want to say one more thing. Heisman or no Heisman, Trask, you are one of the greatest Gators ever and one of my all-time favorite players now. And that's saying a lot. Just look at my username for my absolute favorite. And you, Kyle, are right up there with him.

In this instant gratification, selfish, me-first, look-at-me, everything-offends-me athlete (and many people) today, you handled everything with patience, humility, selflessness, class, a quiet confidence and belief in yourself and your team and grace.

As someone who is more than twice your age, it's special when an athlete can still bring back that sparkle and give me hope that there are still quality young athletes (and moreso people) in today's world.

In this sh!+storm of 2020, you were the lone bright spot. Thank you, Kyle.
 

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Good news guys...I heard Dan consoled Kyle by telling him he was only “3 spots away” from 1st...so there was a bright spot
 

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This went almost exactly as I thought it would go, but not how it should have gone. While I expected Smith to win the Heisman and deservedly so, there's no way in hell T. Lawrence should have been second. I thought Trask would end up 4th and Lawrence 3rd, but that's because:

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Having said that, Lawrence should NOT have even been in the top five. The dude missed like half of an already shortened season and played worse than he did last year and worse than the other two QBs in the race. But when you rely on humans to do the right thing, this is what you get.
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Though I don't believe he deserved to be 2nd, making up schit like he played in only half of his teams 11 games doesn't help your argument. He played in 9 of his teams 11 games (12th game was after voting was complete). And Statistically speaking Danny Wuerffel's better season was his Junior year, not his Senior year. So using those two arguments for a kid not be deserving sounds more sour grapes than anything.

Heisman voting is a lot about what the voters see, not what the statistics say. More people saw Smtih, Jones, Lawrence play (due to prime time games) than Trask. And in the prime time games for Trask he had two LSU and Alabama where he didn't have his best outings (due to play-calling in my opinion).
 

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They put Trevor 2nd as a lifetime award finish. His numbers were terrible when compared to Trask. Smith deserved it, you already knew the media was gonna vote for him cause they wanted a WR to finally win it for the first time in 30 years. Trask got barely any votes in an amazing season. He didn't have a good bowl game at all but Trevor got blown out in his bowl game too so its sends the message that they rewarded Trevor for a lackluster season and destruction in the playoffs.
 

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Though I don't believe he deserved to be 2nd, making up schit like he played in only half of his teams 11 games doesn't help your argument. He played in 9 of his teams 11 games (12th game was after voting was complete). And Statistically speaking Danny Wuerffel's better season was his Junior year, not his Senior year. So using those two arguments for a kid not be deserving sounds more sour grapes than anything.

Heisman voting is a lot about what the voters see, not what the statistics say. More people saw Smtih, Jones, Lawrence play (due to prime time games) than Trask. And in the prime time games for Trask he had two LSU and Alabama where he didn't have his best outings (due to play-calling in my opinion).

Dude, clearly you understand exaggeration. Or am I the ONLY person on this board who does that?

Point being, as JBoss said below, this was based on his overall career at Clemson.

Or to put it another way:

Go look at greatest college QB lists, and in just about every publication, Peyton Manning is listed and Wuerffel is not. It's another farce. Wuerffel's numbers are better, he won all head-to-head matchups, won four SEC titles (to Manning's one), won a Heisman and a national title, but all the publications will spew the B.S. that Peyton is a better college QB. And that's because of what he did in the NFL. Once became one of the greatest NFL QBs, he was therefore one of the greatest college QBs.

I stand by my statement. The public (or in this case, many of the voters) are stupid.

I would have voted Lawrence in the top 10 this season, but top five? No way.

And Wuerffel threw for more yards and TDs his senior year BTW....
 

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They put Trevor 2nd as a lifetime award finish. His numbers were terrible when compared to Trask. Smith deserved it, you already knew the media was gonna vote for him cause they wanted a WR to finally win it for the first time in 30 years. Trask got barely any votes in an amazing season. He didn't have a good bowl game at all but Trevor got blown out in his bowl game too so its sends the message that they rewarded Trevor for a lackluster season and destruction in the playoffs.
The bowl game performances for Trevor and Trask DID NOT have an impact on the voting. All votes were turned in on the Monday before those games were played. So, they could have won the Heisman and still played like garbage.

IMO, I think the Heisman committee got the #1 position correct but after that they totally went off the rails. To me, Jones and Trask should have finished 2nd and 3rd with either one in either position, doesn't matter. Nagee should have finished ahead of Trevor at #4 and Trevor fall somewhere behind that, #5 or possibly even further back.

As for following the Heisman Trust mission statement, that isn't even a good joke. If they truly followed that then Johnny Manziel would have never won it. Neither would Jameis Winston.
 

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Dude, clearly you understand exaggeration. Or am I the ONLY person on this board who does that?

Point being, as JBoss said below, this was based on his overall career at Clemson.

Or to put it another way:

Go look at greatest college QB lists, and in just about every publication, Peyton Manning is listed and Wuerffel is not. It's another farce. Wuerffel's numbers are better, he won all head-to-head matchups, won four SEC titles (to Manning's one), won a Heisman and a national title, but all the publications will speed the B.S. that Peyton is a better college QB. And that's because of what he did in the NFL. Once became one of the greatest NFL QBs, he was therefore one of the greatest college QBs.

I stand by my statement. The public (or in this case, many of the voters) are stupid.

I would have voted Lawrence the top 10 this season, but top five? No way.

Changing the argument, is just moving the goalposts.

And Wuerffel threw for more yards and TDs his senior year BTW....


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The bowl game performances for Trevor and Trask DID NOT have an impact on the voting. All votes were turned in on the Monday before those games were played. So, they could have won the Heisman and still played like garbage.

IMO, I think the Heisman committee got the #1 position correct but after that they totally went off the rails. To me, Jones and Trask should have finished 2nd and 3rd with either one in either position, doesn't matter. Nagee should have finished ahead of Trevor at #4 and Trevor fall somewhere behind that, #5 or possibly even further back.

As for following the Heisman Trust mission statement, that isn't even a good joke. If they truly followed that then Johnny Manziel would have never won it. Neither would Jameis Winston.

Nailed it ^
 

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Changing the argument, is just moving the goalposts.




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Your screenshot just proved my point. And I wasn't changing the argument. I using a relatable example of people's stupidity that all Gators can understand. Is Lawrence one of the best players? Yes. Will he be the #1 pick of the draft? Probably. Should he have been in the top five in Heisman voting THIS year? No.
 

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Your screenshot just proved my point.

yes, in those two cateogries you were correct, it just shows you were picking on the facts that worked, not the total body of work. Which shows that you like ignore facts that disagree with your narrative. The argument that statistically speaking Wuerffel's Junior season was superior to his Senior season (the argument you make against Lawrence) is proven correct by the totality of those statistics.

And I wasn't changing the argument. I using a relatable example of people's stupidity that all Gators can understand. Is Lawrence one of the best players? Yes. Will he be the #1 pick of the draft? Probably. Should he have been in the top five in Heisman voting THIS year? No.

Which has nothing to do with your reply to my statement. Again, stay on topic and quit moving those goalposts.
 

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yes, in those two cateogries you were correct, it just shows you were picking on the facts that worked, not the total body of work. Which shows that you like ignore facts that disagree with your narrative. The argument that statistically speaking Wuerffel's Junior season was superior to his Senior season (the argument you make against Lawrence) is proven correct by the totality of those statistics.



Which has nothing to do with your reply to my statement. Again, stay on topic and quit moving those goalposts.

Good lord, you must be a miserable person.
 

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Ever since Tebow didn't win his Junior year but had the most 1st place votes, and then Crab Boy winning the Heisman I have lost faith in the voting process.
 

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